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Old 01-12-2010, 05:56 AM   #1
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Will this void my warranty? (collection of merged threads on this topic)

if i had my camaro tuned after installing parts(i.e. cat back, CAI, headers) would this do anything to my warranty??
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:29 AM   #2
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:46 AM   #3
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Everything you mentioned will kill the warranty. For tuning though you can always purchase a second ECM to swap in. If it breaks take it back to the dealership with the stock ECM. GM can tell how many times the ECM has been flashed... thats the reason for a second unit.
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:46 AM   #5
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The tune could definitely affect your warranty... there are countless threads on this, probably why no one responded.
As far as the parts are concerned... exhaust and CAI are fine. Best bet is check with your dealers service manager...



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Everything you mentioned will kill the warranty. For tuning though you can always purchase a second ECM to swap in. If it breaks take it back to the dealership with the stock ECM. GM can tell how many times the ECM has been flashed... thats the reason for a second unit.
Bad info here...

Bottom line is don't try to hide anything. ECM swap can be detected also. The tune part is where it gets sticky

You are perfectly fine putting a CAI and Catback exhaust on... don't believe me.. ask your dealer...
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:14 AM   #6
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If the dealer goes by the book... I was mostly correct. If you know someone... you are good, unless GM sends a rep to take a look. I was a tech for a long while so I do know some of the ins and outs with GM...
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:21 AM   #7
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nobody...?
You posted at 5:56am. Most of us were having dreams at this hour about doing dirty things to our cars.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...ty-intact.html

"Under the Magnuson-Moss Act, a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before it can deny warranty coverage."

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Old 01-12-2010, 12:30 PM   #8
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Don't expect the "Magnuson-Moss Act" to protect you. That has been discussed extensively. Bottom line is GM is bigger than any of us and *IF* they decide to not honor a particular warranty repair, you can bet they have their ducks in a row.

Best advice I would say is be upfront with your service manager and tell him what you are planning and get his input.

Trying in any way to deceive the dealer you're most likely going to lose in the long run.
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You posted at 5:56am. Most of us were having dreams at this hour about doing dirty things to our cars.
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:20 PM   #10
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Everything you mentioned will kill the warranty. For tuning though you can always purchase a second ECM to swap in. If it breaks take it back to the dealership with the stock ECM. GM can tell how many times the ECM has been flashed... thats the reason for a second unit.
WRONG ...Dont hide anything.. its called footprints and a 2nd ECM is very detectable..
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:42 PM   #11
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Went by and asked my dealer about after market boltons. They told me anything besides GM after market could void the warranty. They also said its not their choice and GM can choose to investigate any claim. I specifically asked that a cai would void the drivetrain warranty and the answer was if GM chose to investigate then they certainly can. They also agreed it was more due to selling parts then the extra HP.
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You posted at 5:56am. Most of us were having dreams at this hour about doing dirty things to our cars.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...ty-intact.html

"Under the Magnuson-Moss Act, a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before it can deny warranty coverage."
the only reason i said "nobody..." was because i saw other threads being replied to, so u can chill

thanx for all the info guys
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1. they cannot void the warranty unless the modification is the DIRECT cause of the problem.

2. the ECM does not track if you tune the car or not... just get a handheld to revert back to stock, or get it dyno tuned locally and see if they will reflash to stock for free for warranty work.

3. the only mods that have a chance of voiding the warranty if something fails is turbos and superchargers and definitely nitrous!
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1. they cannot void the warranty unless the modification is the DIRECT cause of the problem.

2. the ECM does not track if you tune the car or not... just get a handheld to revert back to stock, or get it dyno tuned locally and see if they will reflash to stock for free for warranty work.

3. the only mods that have a chance of voiding the warranty if something fails is turbos and superchargers and definitely nitrous!
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:01 PM   #15
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Ask your dealer if you are concerned about it, any tune or mod can potentially effect your drive train warranty, also plain old "abuse" can effect it as well. What is "abuse" ? Well whatever the dealer and or GM says is abuse. Talk to the service manager and let them know what you are planning and ask how they would deal with a warranty claim. Every claim will be handled on a case by case basis, but remember they are the "experts" and will be the deciding factor if your mod was the cause of the failure and whether or not it will be covered. You can quote the moss act to them until you are blue in the face but unless you are prepeared to sue them and take it all the way where will it get you ?
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:37 PM   #16
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If the dealer goes by the book... I was mostly correct. If you know someone... you are good, unless GM sends a rep to take a look. I was a tech for a long while so I do know some of the ins and outs with GM...
how long ago?

You realize things have changed alot, and GM is cracking down on onwers tunning their vehicles.
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Within the last two years. My wife was a service adviser for 7 years at Minden Country Chevrolet... the owner closed the doors last June. Two of my best friends are currently GM World Class technicians also.... in case you didn't know... that's as good as it gets. GM CAN, without a shadow of a doubt, track the amount of times an ECM has been flashed. As far as being able to tell if it has been swapped... well, that's news to me. I can believe it. I have seen first hand GM void warranties for small modifications such as a CAI, headers, handheld programmers, or a stall. Now, when given the choice we would let an intake and a tune slide unless the car had obviously been abused, but from time to time then GM would send the local rep to take a look... usually that didnt turn out good for the customer. Without a doubt GM is far more strict than they were when I was doing it, but knowing someone and being smart about your mods can go a long way. Im going to have to contact a few people on the ECM swap detection for a more solid answer. If they can detect it then I will be playing with my tune tonight.
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1. they cannot void the warranty unless the modification is the DIRECT cause of the problem.

2. the ECM does not track if you tune the car or not... just get a handheld to revert back to stock, or get it dyno tuned locally and see if they will reflash to stock for free for warranty work.

3. the only mods that have a chance of voiding the warranty if something fails is turbos and superchargers and definitely nitrous!
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Ask your dealer if you are concerned about it, any tune or mod can potentially effect your drive train warranty, also plain old "abuse" can effect it as well. What is "abuse" ? Well whatever the dealer and or GM says is abuse. Talk to the service manager and let them know what you are planning and ask how they would deal with a warranty claim. Every claim will be handled on a case by case basis, but remember they are the "experts" and will be the deciding factor if your mod was the cause of the failure and whether or not it will be covered. You can quote the moss act to them until you are blue in the face but unless you are prepeared to sue them and take it all the way where will it get you ?
thanx guys
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Within the last two years. My wife was a service adviser for 7 years at Minden Country Chevrolet... the owner closed the doors last June. Two of my best friends are currently GM World Class technicians also.... in case you didn't know... that's as good as it gets. GM CAN, without a shadow of a doubt, track the amount of times an ECM has been flashed. As far as being able to tell if it has been swapped... well, that's news to me. I can believe it. I have seen first hand GM void warranties for small modifications such as a CAI, headers, handheld programmers, or a stall. Now, when given the choice we would let an intake and a tune slide unless the car had obviously been abused, but from time to time then GM would send the local rep to take a look... usually that didnt turn out good for the customer. Without a doubt GM is far more strict than they were when I was doing it, but knowing someone and being smart about your mods can go a long way. Im going to have to contact a few people on the ECM swap detection for a more solid answer. If they can detect it then I will be playing with my tune tonight.
This was exactly what my dealership told me almost word for word. While the dealership doesn't care much, GM does, and anything you do outside GM performance parts can result in a denied warranty. Everything on the car is related in some sort of fashion making any mod done to the car traceable back to the bolt-on.
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Bolt-on's will not void your warranty. Superchargers (besides the magnacharger w/ warranty), turbos, nitrous, camshafts, and tunes will void your warranty.

Multiple, multiple sources have confirmed that GM can see how many times the 2010 Camaro's computer has been flashed, and void the entire powertrain warranty if they like. It is the fear of the unknown for the dealership.

All in all, it all comes down to the day you bring your car in for service. Sometimes they will try to deny anything they can for just a custom exhaust, and sometimes they won't say anything about the headers and 'possible' camshaft.

But in reality, what exactly is the powertrain warranty for anyways? This is a performance car that came from the factory with a "safe" tune. If you want to push the envelope, that's a chance you take
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So heres a question then,

if I buy a Camaro SS and Hennessey, SLP, ect. do mods to it. Who does the warrenty work? Mod shop or Dealership?

Does GM step all the way out or just on the power train?
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So heres a question then,

if I buy a Camaro SS and Hennessey, SLP, ect. do mods to it. Who does the warrenty work? Mod shop or Dealership?

Does GM step all the way out or just on the power train?
If the powertrain is modified, the OE powertrain warranty is toast. If your going to spend big bucks with a tuner like Hennessey, SLP... make sure to ask all your warranty questions to them and get it all in writing.
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If the powertrain is modified, the OE powertrain warranty is toast. If your going to spend big bucks with a tuner like Hennessey, SLP... make sure to ask all your warranty questions to them and get it all in writing.
So it will be through them then? Thanks!
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1. they cannot void the warranty unless the modification is the DIRECT cause of the problem.

2. the ECM does not track if you tune the car or not... just get a handheld to revert back to stock, or get it dyno tuned locally and see if they will reflash to stock for free for warranty work.

3. the only mods that have a chance of voiding the warranty if something fails is turbos and superchargers and definitely nitrous!
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So it will be through them then? Thanks!
Whatever system they modify will no longer have a factory warranty. If they boost the power output, the powertrain warranty is done. But those tuner's provide their own warranty, so you should be OK. May just have to jump through a few more hoops to get things handled.

Stock, you've got thousands of dealers across the country that can handle any warranty problem. With a highly modified tuner car, wind up with a problem and some dealers won't touch it. But the good tuners will work with you to find one of their dealers that will handle any problems.
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