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Old 12-14-2007, 02:28 AM   #51
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yall liked the camaro? check out its twin brother










ill take the red and black one
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Old 12-14-2007, 02:31 AM   #52
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Your reposting a lot, please start using the search function...
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Old 12-14-2007, 03:44 AM   #53
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Old 12-15-2007, 01:53 PM   #54
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Question Pontiac coming into the muscle car race?

As we all been hearing the big fame for the new and upcoming 2009 camaro. As you know like i do camaro means another firebird (trans am). so i did some research and i ran across three concepts of the 2010 firebird.
1) http://www.automk.com/auto_img11/200...3960977801.jpg
2) http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5756/7kpwv1fu.jpg
3) http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4752/nos2006ru5.jpg

Now lots of speculation has been raised for these concept but the one that seems to be for sure is the number on pic. now i love all three concepts (#2 being my favorite) Pontiac in one magazine article raised more speculation on which one will they chose the GTO or the Firebird. i personally think they should release the Firebird the GTO had its shot it the firebird turn.

Two possible concepts for GTO


1) http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/5528/deckahy4.jpg
2) http://image.automobilemag.com/f/fea...ac_gto_445.jpg

either way i like the firebird better, if GM goes with the firebird i will personally myself go with the firebird over the camaro. (this is becuase camaro has so much light on it, and it having low price possibly everyone will have one. i just want to be different.) O yeah here's that article on Pontiac chosen between Firebird or GTO

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/...rd-or-gto.html

Let me get some of you guys and possibly girls thoughts on this.
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:10 PM   #55
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GM has already said the Firebird is not happening. I think Scott said it too. Basically, badge engineering a Camaro clone with different styling would serve absolutely no point. An Alpha platform small RWD Pontiac is coming out, but from what I've heard, due to the new CAFE regulations all GM RWD projects besides Alpha, Sigma, the Camaro, G8, and one or two other Zeta cars for Cadillac and possibly Buick are now on hold.

Pontiac's forecasted future product introductions are the G8 wagon and possibly Ute variants, the Alpha car, and a coupe and/or targa Solstice variant. The plan for combining Buick, Pontiac, and GMC outlets calls for limited lineups for each brand, so I think this is the extent of what we'll see for Pontiac in the next few years.
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:12 PM   #56
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also i want it on the record those "concepts" make my eyes bleed, in a bad way.
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:19 PM   #57
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well dont worry about them comin out i guess i got to stick to my guns and wait till my camaro comes out and call it a day.Just in case someone thinks i lke the firebird better no they're wrong. I just like the firebird because it will be different other than seeing a damn camaro everywhere. thats one thing i think the challenger will have over the camro the first year your not gonna see as manu challengers as camaro's. good moove for GM more sells but just like the mustang you feel good when you have it but when other people see you their amazment wears off. but lets leave that to another thread i might post.
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:21 PM   #58
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Yeah, adding the styling we're seeing on the G8 and the new Vibe to the Torana and Commodore wagon and Ute would be much more pleasing to the eye. Kill off the abomination that is the G6 GXP Street Edition, make the Solstice coupe/targa look like the concept as promised, and Pontiac's lineup will be sexy indeed. No screaming chicken for me. That can stay in the '80s.
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:28 PM   #59
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Im just happy that the G8 is coming out ready to beat those chargers/300c R/T without going to go grab a 400hp + car. finally i love the G8 I'm thinking heavily on trading my suburban in a getting the v8 version and the go get the camaro later in the future. have to monsters in the garage whew. adding to the fact the G8 will kill off time till the camaro comes out.
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:41 PM   #60
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getting the G8 for the wife......camaro for me.....when i find the wife that is..........
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:45 PM   #61
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yeah if i do get the g8 im racing everything in sight besides the 400hp+ cars lol. but once i get the camaro i cant wait to see what i do with it.
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:53 PM   #62
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The you tube video posted here with Jeremy Clarkson testing the Vauxhaul version of the Commodore/G8 was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. Yes his version was powered by the LS2, not the L76, but I'm sure the G8 will still be an absolute stud of a vehicle. I'm definitely considering getting a G8, but I'm sure the Camaro will be at least as good, if not better. It will probably just come down to price, interior quality, and whether the convenience of 4 doors beats out the sportiness of 2 doors.
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Old 12-15-2007, 06:19 PM   #63
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If pontiac has anything it will be a new GTO, but if they have the G8 GXP I would be surprised to even see the GTO return . . . agian.
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Old 12-15-2007, 06:39 PM   #64
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Well the original GTO was created by putting a large V8 from a full-size into a mid-size body. So lets say the G8 GXP comes with an LS3, or possibly even a supercharged 6.2 variant. They said the Alpha cars can't fit a V8 in their engine bay, but some people have shoehorned an LS2 into the Kappa platform Solstice, so it very well may be possible to squeeze one into the Alpha car. You do that, and bam, you've got yourself a GTO. Say you have a base model with the 2.4L ecotec, and a GT version with the turboed 2.0L ecotec. Maybe a GXP version with a V6 making around 300hp, and finally a V8 powered GTO. That would be sweet.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:05 PM   #65
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IMO the first link it looks like a benz McLarren
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Old 12-16-2007, 05:53 PM   #66
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The Trans-Am name is a registered trademark by the SCCA, GM would have to license the use of that name again from them, The Firebird name was reregistered as a GM tradmark a couple years ago, along with the Fiero name...So Firebird or Fiero are both Possibilities.
At least my research shows that.
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Well now sadly enough it looks like the Pontiac marketing guys are too lazy to come up with real names for their cars, so it looks like G# is what we get from now on. Lame.
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G7 should be comming soon . . .
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Old 12-16-2007, 09:11 PM   #69
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yeah i agree to many G's in the names of pontiac and its official im getting the G8 in black v8 sports packages. this will be my charger r/t killer and then i can wait till my camaro comes out aka challenger killer. till then my G8 should entertain me for a bit. (by that i mean till the camaro release.)
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Well now sadly enough it looks like the Pontiac marketing guys are too lazy to come up with real names for their cars, so it looks like G# is what we get from now on. Lame.
That Really Sucks A$$, they should let me design for them or something lol or any of us, I bet we have better ideas
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:31 AM   #71
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Look at BMW. They sell more than enough cars and they have no fancy names. their ALL numbers. Engine size, and then M(insert number) for series of race spec cars.

They seem to have a good thing and everyone recognizes GTP, Grand Prix, G8, G6, etc. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If their sales start dropping, you can be sure they'll start coming up with new names REAL FAST.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the vibe and solstice get renamed to the G3 and G4 (no particular order). and call the torrent the G10, leaving some room for a larger car than the G8 (the G9 . . . )

One question remains though, why on earth did Pontiac go with G# for naming their cars?
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I still think it looks like a benz in the first link, my friend says it looks like a sunfire
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Luxury cars have gone with non-names for a while now, and Cadillac finally jumped on board. Personally I hate it. A name is part of the car's personality. Oh and BMW's numbers have no relation to engine sizes or output. Benzes sometimes do and sometimes don't. Same with most other manufacturers. The only one that is always consistent is Audi, and that pattern seems to be exactly what Pontiac is following. Interesting that both Pontiac's and Audi's roadsters are the ones that don't follow with the letter-number naming scheme.

As far as I know the Vibe and Torrent are likely on the chopping block as Pontiac moves towards strictly RWD performance cars. With the new CAFE regulations we may see the Vibe and the G6 stick around, but I don't think the Torrent will last much longer, what with the new Chevy Lamda, rumored Chevy and Saturn rebadges of the Zafira (so much for limiting badge engineering), and the addition of the G8 wagon and Ute to Pontiac's lineup. I think GM will have quite enough utility to afford killing off the Torrent.

As far as renaming existing models, it hasn't worked out too well for Ford so far, so I don't think it is very likely. Pretty much the only renamed Ford model that has done better is the Zephyr/MXZ.
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GeeWizz anyone else hate them G Names?

Gee Wizz Pontiac, Enough with the G names.... Lets go back to Bonneville, Ventura, Tempest, GTO, LeMans, Firebird (can't go back to the old Indian names, that is not PC.. but I am surprised someone has not objected to the name Pontiac).
Those G-names remind me of the bad old days, remember the J-2000, T-1000, 6000LE (sometimes called a Goolie).
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