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Old 04-13-2010, 12:21 PM   #51
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Nope,

I am having mine wet sanded and re-cleared. I had a couple of chips on the front fascia, but I also had a door ding that was repaired. Since I did not want any orange peel in my paint and after talking with a custom painter, he did a test on the door that had to be repaired anyway. He was able to wet sand the door and take out the orange peel without getting into the color. I also had him remove the vinyl stripes and he painted them on, then he buried them in clear so that no edge could be felt.

So it was easy for me to decide, since the hood, rear deck lid and one door was having to be re-cleared and I didn't want orange peel, I had him sand the entire car and re-clear it. After he cleared it he then sanded it down again, buffed and polished it. He didn't like one fender so he sanded it down and re-cleared it Friday, so it should be ready Tuesday a.m.

He also filled the rear emblem holes ( welded them up ) and painted my Heritage grill. Once this is complete I will post pictures. One thing I can say 100% is there is NO trash, fisheyes or anything in my paint. Cost was 2700.00
A lot of effort and money on your part but I don't think wet sanding is going to correct the chipping problem on these Camaros. I think it's an initial prep problem, not the top colorcoat or clearcoat. The paint is obviously not sticking to the primer/surfacer in my opinion. On another thread someone here said their paint peeled off when powerwashed- That has nothing to do with the top &/or clearcoat .Let us know how your cars doing in six months with your fix.
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Old 04-13-2010, 01:01 PM   #52
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A lot of effort and money on your part but I don't think wet sanding is going to correct the chipping problem on these Camaros. I think it's an initial prep problem, not the top colorcoat or clearcoat. The paint is obviously not sticking to the primer/surfacer in my opinion. On another thread someone here said their paint peeled off when powerwashed- That has nothing to do with the top &/or clearcoat .Let us know how your cars doing in six months with your fix.
I did not have it wet sanded and re-cleared because of the 2 chips I had on the front fascia. I had a door ding ( DENT ) that was being fixed and I wanted my stripes painted on, plus I was installing a Heritage Grille and I wanted it painted and lastly I was installing the rear SS on the car.

I know where the 2 chips came from, it happened at the same time. I muddy truck dropped some dried mud off his truck and littered the road with mud and rock, one got my windshield also.

So since the hood, door, rear panel,decklid and door were having to be toughed I asked him if he could fix the 2 chips on the front. The main reason I wet sanded and re-applied clear is I wanted the car to match, NO ORANGE PEEL.

I have no chips in my gill areas, maybe it has to do with the splash guards I put on, I don't know but that could be it. I had used a high pressure hose on the front of my car where the chips were and did not have a problem.

As far as the guy who used a pressure washer to clean his car and it peeled the paint, well come on now that is not GM's fault. I don't know of many automotive paints that will not peel if you catch it just right when the exterior finish has been damaged.

BUt I will say this much. I put a spray in bed liner in my truck, Gauranteed for life not to chip, crack, peel, or fade. Now if you believe that, I have some land for sale. There is no way on this earth that a product can do that. If I drop a concrete block in my truck bed and it DENTS the metal, do I honestly believe that the bedliner is stronger than that, NO.

Same thing with alot of these chips, a car going 65 meeting a rock, wood, gravel, road crud or whatever, the paint is not going to stand up. Anything with a sharp edge and any speed will cause damage.

I had the car wet sanded and the painter said that there was enough material on the car that he could have buffed it out, but becasue of the other things I wanted done it would have looked crazy.

Last point I would like to make it I have to friends that have Vettes. One is ate up with road rash on the front and is chipped up, she likes to tail gate. Hers is newer by one year than the other and his looks fine, of course it's not perfect it has a couple of places. Alot has to do with design and body lines. Maybe I am crazy put after a 100 k if there was an adhesion problem it would be wide spread, and a few chips is not bad adhesion, if paint was peeling off in sheets I would agree. JMHO
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Old 04-13-2010, 02:54 PM   #53
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hey just some info for you guys....

i emailed chevy cutomer service through www.chevy.com. i wrote a little paragraph explaining to them the issues i am having with the paint chipping, in a nice way of course. got a 'no-reply' email short (within the hour) saying they will contact me today during a certain time period. i was like wow ok that was quick. so a guy called me at exactly the time they said they would! i talked to him and he said they "should" cover it because i am still under the bumper to bumper warranty. he asked me if i ever went to the dealer with this issue and so on...he put me on hold for about 5 minutes while he called my dealer personally and talked to the body shop to set up an appointment for me to go and have them inspect it. after he was done he pick up the line again saying that alls i need to do is go to my dealer body shop anytime they are open and have them look at it to decide.

i think everyone with this issue should do this. it is painless and better than just letting it go.

hey even if they say its not covered and they wont do it for free it wont bother me too much. at least i tried and knew for a fact that they wouldnt cover it because if they did and i didnt do what i just did then shame on me.
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Old 04-18-2010, 02:39 AM   #54
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I've got about 2800 miles and 6 chips!
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:13 AM   #55
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I live in MA. and the roads here suck, mine is three weeks old and chipped a bit. Before this I traded my CTS because it was so chipped up I was discusted, I have also lost three windshields. So I am thinking the chips are because of road debris not a paint problem.
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:53 PM   #56
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I found the following info on the paint issues. I had to have my rear bumper re painted the 2nd day I had it as the edge margins had chips. The dealer noted that their was a PI and repaired for nothing. I then took my car from Oregon to Arizona in October and returned with not a scratch. Then all of a sudden come this February I notice chips everywhere, especially noted as others in front of the rear wheels. The dealer said rock chips are not warranty, I say that even a bug will chip the paint. I called the factory complaint line and they stated that the dealer should have had me come in to investigate my complaint. I now have a case # and will be visiting the dealership and also will be taking posts from this site...

I also found this PI that was posted and has some interesting comments in the first line: Read the first line of the Quote to Dealers.. Interesting how they state if the customer did not bring there car in for this concern then do not proceed with the PI.. I think that there is definately a paint problem with the new process.

I work for the Boeing Co and several of the Painters here of Aircraft state that it is more than likely an adhesion issue as the chips are very small in the areas in front of the rear wheels.

I will post more after my visit to the dealership and the update of my case #..

Here is the customer service @ GM complaint dept.1-800-222-1020
There is now a PI (PIE0017A) on the chipping problem on the front fascia. Looks like the PI was revised because of the "A" but I don't remember seeing it before. Here is a copy/paste on part of the PI. There is contact info in the PI that I will not include. There is NO fix on this PI just pictures and info sent to GM Engineering by the dealer.

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Condition

Important: If the customer did not bring their vehicle in for this concern, DO NOT proceed with this PI.

Some customers may comment that there is an issue with the paint on the front bumper fascia. These can be a variety of paint issues that may include, but are not limited to chips in the paint, bubbles or dirt in the paint and paint mismatch.
Cause

GM Engineering is attempting to determine the root cause of the above condition. Engineering has a need to gather information on vehicles PRIOR to repair that may exhibit this condition. As a result, this information will be used to "root cause" the customer's concern and develop/validate a field fix.
Instructions

GM Engineering would like pictures taken of the paint issue and e-mailed to the engineer listed below prior to repairing the paint. The e-mail should include the following information:
• Pictures clearly showing the paint issue, including a detailed picture of the condition and the location on the fascia.
• Detailed description of the issue
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:09 AM   #57
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Its not GM guys. I am not a GM fan... especially now that its Government Motors but I am a clear bra installer and I hear the same complaing in EVERY forum I go to. It doesnt matter wether its the Mustang, BMW, Corvette, Viper, Ferrari, or 6Speedonline.... everytone is complaining about the same issues. It is the EPA standards that have been implemented over the last few years. Even the Harley Davidson guys are bitching. GM is not going to repaint cars because their hands are tied. This will be something that we will all have to deal with from now on... and it will only get worse. I think the worst part of all of this is its OUR TAX DOLLARS that are paying for these morons at the EPA to regualte OUR LIVES. In the end it all only costs us more money... and if they push Cap And Trade through... we will all be hurting. Not to promote the product but getting a clear bra is really your only solution... or a bra period. Unless you want to repaint your car often... and replace headlights.
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:56 PM   #58
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I disagree about this being the same problem with Corvettes. Both my late model Corvettes had no chips and I have frequented Corvette forums for years and have not seen this level of complaints.
The EPA thing, I absolutely agree.
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Old 04-20-2010, 11:00 PM   #59
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my car has 12000 miles and the chipping is gross!!!


so many chips... the rocker panels are down to the the primer almost my gills have about 60-70 chips..


my paint also peeled off today on the passenger side... where theres a crease in the back panel... peeling off!!!

omg starting to think the camaro was a mistake... i just cant handle my car looking 10 years old already


lets see what GM does
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:33 AM   #60
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I am trying to collect some data and am wondering if you guys with excessive chipping could get the mil thickness of you paint tested. I have requested our shops paint rep bring me a tester and plan to test my car at the Gill areas (both sides), hood and fenders. If the paint is thinner than GM specs (which I need to get) we have a case. Anybody that gets that info contact me under a private message. I will post a thread when I have enough data. We also have a thread going under Waxing/Detailing requesting this info.
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:15 AM   #61
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GM is really sticking together with dealers on this. I have the same problem took pics and video of it at around 2800 miles. I have a 97 camaro and the paint never chipped on it. They keep saying its not their fault that even if they repaint it, it will chip again.
WELL PAINT THE FOCKIN THING RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!!
Makes me wonder about the rest of the car, i'm sure the engine will blow just a few miles after I change the oil and that will void the warranty somehow.
We need to start a petition to GM. Like one guy said strength in numbers. We should mail it to everyone having this issue and see how many signatures we can get. Makes me regret buying a $35,000 car with a $500 paint job.
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:20 AM   #62
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Its not GM guys. I am not a GM fan... especially now that its Government Motors but I am a clear bra installer and I hear the same complaing in EVERY forum I go to. It doesnt matter wether its the Mustang, BMW, Corvette, Viper, Ferrari, or 6Speedonline.... everytone is complaining about the same issues. It is the EPA standards that have been implemented over the last few years. Even the Harley Davidson guys are bitching. GM is not going to repaint cars because their hands are tied. This will be something that we will all have to deal with from now on... and it will only get worse. I think the worst part of all of this is its OUR TAX DOLLARS that are paying for these morons at the EPA to regualte OUR LIVES. In the end it all only costs us more money... and if they push Cap And Trade through... we will all be hurting. Not to promote the product but getting a clear bra is really your only solution... or a bra period. Unless you want to repaint your car often... and replace headlights.
I understand the EPA thing but why cant they just put a better thicker clear coat that would solve everything.
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:32 AM   #63
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hey just some info for you guys....

i emailed chevy cutomer service through www.chevy.com. i wrote a little paragraph explaining to them the issues i am having with the paint chipping, in a nice way of course. got a 'no-reply' email short (within the hour) saying they will contact me today during a certain time period. i was like wow ok that was quick. so a guy called me at exactly the time they said they would! i talked to him and he said they "should" cover it because i am still under the bumper to bumper warranty. he asked me if i ever went to the dealer with this issue and so on...he put me on hold for about 5 minutes while he called my dealer personally and talked to the body shop to set up an appointment for me to go and have them inspect it. after he was done he pick up the line again saying that alls i need to do is go to my dealer body shop anytime they are open and have them look at it to decide.

i think everyone with this issue should do this. it is painless and better than just letting it go.

hey even if they say its not covered and they wont do it for free it wont bother me too much. at least i tried and knew for a fact that they wouldnt cover it because if they did and i didnt do what i just did then shame on me.

I did the same thing. Have you taken it in yet? Cuz they aren't gonna warranty it. Paint is covered for 12,000 miles or 1 year however they dont cover anything. I took mine in about a week ago with 3500 miles on it and they said rock chips are "natural causes" bull. The paint is too thin and clear coat is too thin if there even is a clear coat. They tried to blame it on the possibilty i drove through bad conditions, yea first thing i did when i bought it was go do doughnuts in a gravel parking lot haha not. check out the pic. Its like this on both sides and the front bumper.

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1500 miles and a chip on the hood!?! and a couple of dings (no paint missing) on the front spoiler area below the fog lights. I am going in for a clear bra on Saturday. There is another 600 dollars on a new car....
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I'm having the same issues. Paint scratches like a cat was dancing in front of the mail slot on my SS. Also, chips (10 or more) on each side where the gills are. Various scratches elsewhere (like A pillars) and it just gets worse looking at it after ever wash.

Told the service dept about paint issues when I brought it in about 2 weeks after delivery last november, and they said paint issues were not covered under warranty without even looking at the car. I'm researching now to see what we can do, because I think we all agree this isn't cool...

I was told paint is covered for 12,000 miles or 1 year, however that's crap cuz they are just gonna blame it on something else so they dont have to repaint it. GM is becoming crooks ruining a beautiful car with very poor craftsmanship. Give the camaro to ford please let someone else give it a try. haha
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:48 AM   #66
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My question would be, is the Camaro the only GM car that uses this paint process? I suspect most chips are just due to the design of the car on the sides, and following too close for front end damage.
Be glad you don't have an $85,000 Z06 and are still getting chips on the rocker panels and in front of the rear wheels.
If you drive the cars, you are going to get some rock damage.

If you want to eliminate most chips, have the car covered with 3M protective film on the sides and front end. I have seen this on a lot of Corvettes and Vipers, but you have to do it when the car rolls off the hauler.
http://www.clearmask.com/3M-films.php

How much does this clear bra cost? anyone had it done?
I think since its mostly camaros it has to be an issue with the plant they are painted at. I'm sure thats the only car they build at that plant.
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Just found a second chip on my driver side gills! Only have 3,000 miles on the car....
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I understand the EPA thing but why cant they just put a better thicker clear coat that would solve everything.
I doubt the EPA has any jurisdiction in canada where the car was built. i suspect GM used less materials to save money
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I've had a Black 2SS for a 2 months now. I got a couple of small chips on the deck lid on a trip I took to Vegas from some rocks that were kicked up by a truck. It annoyed me but chips happen. Upon inspection of the chips what blew me away was how thin the paint is on the car. Anyone else notice that your car?

BTW with the design of the body around the rear wheels... EXPECT paint chips in front of the rear wheels. I've seen it over and over with that type of fender design. Best to cover that area with a clear material from 3M. Check out a place that applies clear bras.
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went to the dealer this week. they where very cool about the paint chip problem.but gm told them that the pie0017a was put out at a long time ago and is now discontinued. and that the chips where my fault and not covered under warranty. guess i wont be buying the z28 when it comes out and when people ask me about the camaro the first thing i tell em about is the paint issues and gm's unwillingness to admit fault. and if they're in the market for a new auto not to buy a chevy. still love my car but screw gm and all they stand for.
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I also had chips where the front wheel kicked up road debris and chipped the paint just in front of the rear tire by the louvers.
I did a color sand on the whole car to remove the factory texture and clear coated it. I have not had any chips since.
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GM is not covering my chips.. lost my business for the rest of my life.. im 18 this is my first and last vehicle i will ever buy from them... Ill look into a challenger in a couple years... Screw them i hope they go down!
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Its not GM guys. I am not a GM fan... especially now that its Government Motors but I am a clear bra installer and I hear the same complaing in EVERY forum I go to. It doesnt matter wether its the Mustang, BMW, Corvette, Viper, Ferrari, or 6Speedonline.... everytone is complaining about the same issues. It is the EPA standards that have been implemented over the last few years. Even the Harley Davidson guys are bitching. GM is not going to repaint cars because their hands are tied. This will be something that we will all have to deal with from now on... and it will only get worse. I think the worst part of all of this is its OUR TAX DOLLARS that are paying for these morons at the EPA to regualte OUR LIVES. In the end it all only costs us more money... and if they push Cap And Trade through... we will all be hurting. Not to promote the product but getting a clear bra is really your only solution... or a bra period. Unless you want to repaint your car often... and replace headlights.
Not BS, The EPA is creating big problems with domestic makers and next year will be worse. Canada is no exception. Theres no stopping them.
Regulators in Canada and especially the US. are making it economically next to impossible to manufacture any products.
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GM is not covering my chips.. lost my business for the rest of my life.. im 18 this is my first and last vehicle i will ever buy from them... Ill look into a challenger in a couple years... Screw them i hope they go down!

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