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Old 04-04-2010, 09:32 AM   #1
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Water Meth Injection Q & A, lets talk CMGS from Coolingmist!

With many of you going forced induction on your new Camaros you will want (need) a superior way to cool your charge. The Coolingmist CMGS FS system was designed to do the following:

1) Get you more power

2) protect your engine

3) alert the driver if there is a flow or some other problem

4) display flow, boost and failsafe parameters all in one small unit

5) allow for easy clean install.

6) be cost effective

7) Get you more power


For those of you not familiar with water/methanol injection the concept is simple. The system will comprise of a pump, injector, hose, fittings, tank and a way to deliver the fluid. The fluid will inject typically based on boost. The water evaporates soaking up your heat, this gives you cooler charge temps. the methanol cools also allowing you to have lower octane requirements. Those of you injecting pre-blower will have a cooler more efficient supercharger as well (for roots style).

We have 2 near identical versions of our kit. One is a 52 MM gauge controller version known as CMGS-FS. The other version is our VC2 FS, which functions identically as the CMGS-FS but instead of being a 52 MM Gauge Controller, it is enclosed in a square box. The controller is designed for those that want a dash mounted gauge. Both versions display boost and flow rate.





Here is a map of the controller. This shows you the features of the unit. This controler is known as a progressive controller. You set the MIN and MAX boost pressure and then as your boost signal increases the CMGS will make the pump spray more fluid. As the boost decreases, the cmgs will make the pump spray less. The result will be more power on pump gas than what you can make without it.

I realize that many of you will have alot of questions about meth injection in general as well as our well thought out solutions. I welcome all questions. I have a couple diagrams below to help you see how the sysetm is laid out. Ask any questions that you have.





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Old 04-04-2010, 09:37 AM   #2
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Many of you over the last few months have been installing a Coolingmist CMGS system. For those of you that have, be assured you have the most complete, safe kit on the market. CMGS differs than other kits because it has an ALL IN ONE concept.

In one 52 MM Gauge you get the following:

1) Failsafe. Can activate or deactivate any device based on hardware failure due to flow rate dropping when should not.
2) Boost, Flow, Failsafe display
3) Progressive Controller.
4) All of the above in one single 52 MM Gauge.

Here is a mapping that we did to show you a few of the features. CMGS is simple to use and really looks like it belongs in your Camaro. Let us know what questions you have.

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Old 04-04-2010, 09:38 AM   #3
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Will you be attending, have a booth at C5Fest?
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Old 04-04-2010, 09:44 AM   #4
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Will you be attending, have a booth at C5Fest?

Hello. Unfortunately I will not be, but im sure it will be a great event. I am here however to answer any questions you have about our product. Traditionally we have spent more of our time investing into our product vs doing trade shows, marketing or sponsorships. This allows the customer to get the best price for the product.

I invite you to view our products on line and ask any questions that will help you.

thanks again and sorry we cannot attend.

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Old 04-04-2010, 10:06 AM   #5
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For those of you who are running a Maggie, Whipple or KenneBell, and are considering spraying methanol pre-blower, I would first check with the blower manufactuer to see if doing so will cause any problems. Any many cases the rotors in the twin screw/roots blowers are coated and the methnol could cause a deteriortion in that coating that could reduce the blowers effectiveness and/or void the supercharger warranty.

Just an FYI.
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Old 04-04-2010, 10:11 AM   #6
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For those of you who are running a Maggie, Whipple or KenneBell, and are considering spraying methanol pre-blower, I would first check with the blower manufactuer to see if doing so will cause any problems. Any many cases the rotors in the twin screw/roots blowers are coated and the methnol could cause a deteriortion in that coating that could reduce the blowers effectiveness and/or void the supercharger warranty.

Just an FYI.
I am firm believer that customers should do research before purchasing any modification. Considering that when the customer chose to put the aftermarket supercharger on the camaro, they voided the warranty on the car, most will not be too concerned about the supercharger warranty.

Those with roots style superchargers have for years been spraying meth. Most of you will spray pre-supercharger as that is typically the only way for most of you to do so. Those that have a centrifigal supercharger or turbo will always spray after.

any questions let us know!

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Old 04-04-2010, 10:18 AM   #7
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Considering this is in the v6 forced induction thread, it's pretty much a moot thread. No one but AAC, LPE and Jay Leno have boosted v6s. Only one person inquired about water/methanol injection in the NA v6, and that was me.

Now that STS has turbo'd AAC's car, and if LPE gets it's supercharger finalized, maybe you'll have more interest. Till then?
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iwould love to add one of these to my car......please do a DIY thread on installation on the Camaro!
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coolingmist.......are u there?
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coolingmist.......are u there?

yes, thanks! I did not recognize your statement as a question sorry. As far as a DIY, the only way I can do it is if customers would send me alot of pictures of the install. We have custom kits for many cars but not for the camaro.

I would LOVE to get pictures if any of you can send them. We need pictures of every part of the install, from all the wiring, to the gauge to the flow sensor, pump, tank etc...

Until then its pretty universal and very easy to install.

Let me know if I can be of more help.

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ok.....let me know when u have it done! LOL
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had a coolingmist kit on my srt4 a few years back. best around hands down! nice to see u guys on camaro5
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i have a few questions for you,
1 how hard is it to find meth, is it basicly only sold at drag strips?(im in dfw if that helps)
2 i was told that a kit like yours will only really help if you are pushing alot of boost(15psi and up was what i was told)
3 whats the mix? is it 50 50 or what?
4 how much more power would a kit like this make on a v6 with say 10psi, just a ballpark answer is fine i know you guys dont have a v6 to test
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i have a few questions for you,
1 how hard is it to find meth, is it basicly only sold at drag strips?(im in dfw if that helps)
You can buy VP M1 meth on line or you can go to home depot/lows and buy SLX in the paint dept (50 % meth, 50% alcohol). easy to get

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2 i was told that a kit like yours will only really help if you are pushing alot of boost(15psi and up was what i was told)
Its beneficial to all turbo or s/c vehicles. The more heat you make now the more power you will gain. Its also a safety mod. Who would not want to run ambient intake temps?
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3 whats the mix? is it 50 50 or what?
We do a 50/50 mix, but you can run any mix you want. Just remember as the concentration goes up its more easily flammable.

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4 how much more power would a kit like this make on a v6 with say 10psi, just a ballpark answer is fine i know you guys dont have a v6 to test
30+ HP? Sounds reasonable to me. On a 135I 3.0 V6 you can expect 30-40 HP.

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if you use the slx stuff is it still 50 50? does the added alcohol do anything, bad or good?
....but its looking like i may have to pick up a kit once i get my turbo set-up done
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You can buy VP M1 meth on line or you can go to home depot/lows and buy SLX in the paint dept (50 % meth, 50% alcohol). easy to get

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if you use the slx stuff is it still 50 50? does the added alcohol do anything, bad or good?
....but its looking like i may have to pick up a kit once i get my turbo set-up done

The SLX is not water mix its all alcohol/methanol.

if you want to mix it 50/50, just add 50% water to the mix. Alcohol works real well also.

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Is this a good option for a naturally aspirated ss? I've heard it can add a lot of power?
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Is this a good option for a naturally aspirated ss? I've heard it can add a lot of power?
It would probably be an ok option at best.... For NA you would need a kit designed to work for NA applications... The one above is boost activated so would not work on a NA car.

To take advantage of a W/M injection kit you will need to get your car tuned for it, otherwise you will end up running very rich. So in the tune you would want to lean the car out a bit AND increase the spark advance to take advantage of the increased octane that the W/M provides. Basically it's like race gas on demand! LOL! Not sure how much you would actually gain...

Now if you are going to the trouble of installing an injection kit, you might want to consider a nitrous oxide kit... although that is really for the track only...
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