CLOSED new MT: '10 SS vs. '10 SRT vs. '11 GT

[mjf6866]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html

we all know who motortrend is going to pick on top (and it very well should be), but dont ya think its funny how now they say the Camaro is a 13 second car when before it was a high 12 second car to them? I hope you guys now understand a little better how us Challenger guys felt from initial reviews when the Camaro first came out.

i'm sensing a little bias here for the new pony on the block...

[Unfair]

12.7 @ 111.3 I think that's hardly magazine favortism along with it's performance in the other tests, all the numbers are better. unless they are lying about the mustang?
not bad for the first tests...

[Enator]

http://50stangs.blogspot.com/2010/04...0-against.html

[Enator]

Ford Mustang Coupes 2011 2dr Cpe - Car Specs & Performance Stats - NADAguides.com Official Site:
http://www.nadaguides.com/default.as...=0&s=323816&c=

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by Unfair

12.7 @ 111.3 I think that's hardly magazine favortism along with it's performance in the other tests, all the numbers are better. unless they are lying about the mustang?
not bad for the first tests...

no i agree with you there, thats what the GT should run, but didnt they have the SS at 12.9 or 12.8 before? I dont remember the exact number, but i know it was sub 13 seconds. why change the numbers all of a sudden?

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

no i agree with you there, thats what the GT should run, but didnt they have the SS at 12.9 or 12.8 before? I dont remember the exact number, but i know it was sub 13 seconds. why change the numbers all of a sudden?

Yea that is odd I believe it was 12.9 last time, makes you wonder lol

[big hammer]

ford must be paying mega $$$$$ to make the new gt look good.

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by big hammer

ford must be paying mega $$$$$ to make the new gt look good.

I don't think that is what the thread maker is saying, but are you saying motortrend is lying?

[justincase_2008]

those are some close numbers but i still want to see a TRUE 2011 to 2011 comparison. great now we'll have more mustangs messing with us along with the hondas.

[Tal]

Car writers like new stuff but even then I think everyone expected the Mustang to edge ahead in overall performance with all of the changes. The only thing I would really disagree with very strongly is that of the group the Mustang styling is by far the most dated and bland looking at this point. It's still better looking than average but the average car looks like crap on wheels. One other minor thing that surprised me was the Mustang got 2mpg less than either the SS or SRT8, just found that interesting.

[Leolee]

i see at the bottom of that list that the camaro ss takes unleadead regular... umm what?!

[2SSARMY]

Supercharger here I come.

[2SSARMY]

Well.. They're comparing an '11 to two '10 models. The '11 was made specifically to beat these models. Why not wait for the '11 SRT8 with the upgraded HP, or the '11 camaro with more aggressive gearing and suspension work, then let's see who is running faster.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by todd03blown

so where is all the offical word from GM on what the upgrades will be for the Camaro? All I have seen is speculation. funny how it is Ford's problem for releasing their '11 model faster than others?

whatever...Give credit for all of the cars, it is great we live in this day and age that we have these types of cars at our disposal with this type of performance.

I give credit, I just think it's funny how they compare a brand new model MADE to defeat these two cars, to the older model. I agree the GT is very, very impressive, but let's be realistic. A simple suspension tweak and better gearing and the camaro will be ahead. And the 6.4L speculation SRT8 is going to be a monster.

[SWAT 79]

The camaro is a 12.9-13.1 second car, nothing wrong wtih that time. The mustang is slightly better, 12.7-13.0 second car....It makes sense tho. In the last article with the 2010 mustang it was extremely close, and that gt is a 13.4 second car, no better no worse.

[mrray13]

Looks like a good race! I think it's funny that even the Dodge got better gas mileage, lol.

In any case, a good driver in the Camaro, and it's neck and neck. Line up a base model GT, without the 3.73 rear, and the Camaro still wins. In the end, it's good to be alive, lol!! The pony car war is alive and well!

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

Well.. They're comparing an '11 to two '10 models. The '11 was made specifically to beat these models. Why not wait for the '11 SRT8 with the upgraded HP, or the '11 camaro with more aggressive gearing and suspension work, then let's see who is running faster.

Has there been an announcement from GM regarding these changes? i'd like to check it out that would be cool if they are.

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

I give credit, I just think it's funny how they compare a brand new model MADE to defeat these two cars, to the older model. I agree the GT is very, very impressive, but let's be realistic. A simple suspension tweak and better gearing and the camaro will be ahead. And the 6.4L speculation SRT8 is going to be a monster.

Don't forget the 2010 camaro was MADE to defeat the mustang, hence the 05 mustang GT in GM's development team building.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

The camaro is a 12.9-13.1 second car, nothing wrong wtih that time. The mustang is slightly better, 12.7-13.0 second car....It makes sense tho. In the last article with the 2010 mustang it was extremely close, and that gt is a 13.4 second car, no better no worse.

I have never seen a stock camaro run sub 13 in person. There was a camaro at the track on Sat. M6 with a cold air induction CAI running 13.2~.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by Unfair

Has there been an announcement from GM regarding these changes? i'd like to check it out that would be cool if they are.

No, I'm just speculating. They are simple changes that can be made to easily give the edge to the Camaro. I have no idea what GM is doing for the '11. They're pretty bad at keeping us informed on future models lol

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

No, I'm just speculating. They are simple changes that can be made to easily give the edge to the Camaro. I have no idea what GM is doing for the '11. They're pretty bad at keeping us informed on future models lol

I agree some new rear end gears would do it some justice.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

I have never seen a stock camaro run sub 13 in person. There was a camaro at the track on Sat. M6 with a cold air induction CAI running 13.2~.

Most the sub 13 sec runs for the Camaro will come from sea level tracks in cold weather.

BTW the last time I was at the track a Camaro SS with intake and a tune was running 13.1s (similar to what you're seeing).

[2SSARMY]

My best run was 13.4@105... 1,100ft above sea level here in Norman.

DA: 13.2@106

[2SSARMY]

Camaro burnout was a lot more badass than the stang burnout :P

[zero]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html

we all know who motortrend is going to pick on top (and it very well should be), but dont ya think its funny how now they say the Camaro is a 13 second car when before it was a high 12 second car to them? I hope you guys now understand a little better how us Challenger guys felt from initial reviews when the Camaro first came out.

i'm sensing a little bias here for the new pony on the block...

I agree with you, all mags do this to motorcycles also..a motorcycle could be praised as the best ever in handling and braking and the next year they will say the same brakes feel wooden.. your only hot when your new kid on the block and that changes yearly unforunately

[Sax1031]

I wish Ford would have sent the 2011 to Motor Trend for that comparison without the dang glass roof.

24 unnecessary pounds. lol