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Old 04-05-2010, 05:06 PM   #1
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2011 mustang v6 vs 2010-11 camaro v6

304 vs 305 hp...camaro is geared more aggressively then the base stang while the perf pack stang is bout the same as the cam....give or take...
-the stang is 3450 pounds base with 2.73
-the stang is 3520 pounds with 3.31 and perf pack
so up to 300 pounds difference...

Both the ls cam and stock manual stang comes with the same shitty radial ta bg goodrich


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Old 04-05-2010, 05:22 PM   #2
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The only thing we have to go off of right now is the test by the mags.

Motor trend ran a 14.4 @ 98 (if I remember correctly) in the v6 camaro and ran 13.7 @ 102 in the v6 stang.
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:17 AM   #3
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wel more over i think it was motor trend that dynoed the mustang and got 308 hp out of it. so far the mustang is beating the camaro in all areas.
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:48 AM   #4
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The 2011 V6 Mustangs (at least those with 3.73 gears) are much faster than the 2010 V6 Camaros. It's unknown what the regular V6 stang's will run though they will definitely be hindered by their gearing. We don't know what the 2011 Camaro will have, there have been hints that it will get more power. A track pack with more aggressive gearing and SS suspension and brakes is also possible, though there hasn't been very much talk of this happening. Would it be enough to match the weight difference? I don't think so, but it could bring them back to within a tenth or two. Time will tell.

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wel more over i think it was motor trend that dynoed the mustang and got 308 hp out of it. so far the mustang is beating the camaro in all areas.
That was a flywheel estimate, and they never ran a V6 Camaro on a dyno (not that I've read anyway) so its a pretty meaningless number, other than the fact that it is very close to the advertised power of 305.

Which brings me to another issue. The V6 Mustang track pack is much faster than V6 Camaros, while the GT's are slightly faster than SS's. Shouldn't it be the other way around? It looks like the V6 isn't under rated, yet the 5.0 very well could be. Roughly equal weight difference so that isn't it. Something doesn't seem right. The V8 numbers feel right, but not those V6's.
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The V6 has more of a weight advantage over the camaro than the the V8 does, but not much.

And the gearing option on the V6 is 3.31 not 3.73.
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Until we see them ran on the same day/surface the numbers from Motor Trend are pretty useless.
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:54 AM   #7
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The V6 has more of a weight advantage over the camaro than the the V8 does, but not much.

And the gearing option on the V6 is 3.31 not 3.73.
My mistake. Must have assumed it was the same as in the GT. That makes it even more puzzling since it practically eliminates any gearing advantage over the Camaro.

You're also right on the weight, the difference in the difference (?) is roughly 50 lbs. Not terribly meaningful.
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Old 04-06-2010, 02:24 AM   #9
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My mistake. Must have assumed it was the same as in the GT. That makes it even more puzzling since it practically eliminates any gearing advantage over the Camaro.

You're also right on the weight, the difference in the difference (?) is roughly 50 lbs. Not terribly meaningful.
My bet would be skill of the driver.

The trap speed comparison is more important than the ET.
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Old 04-06-2010, 02:28 AM   #10
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The V6 has more of a weight advantage over the camaro than the the V8 does, but not much.

And the gearing option on the V6 is 3.31 not 3.73.

Right, but I'll wager most v6 Mustang's get the 2.73, or whatever it is, gearset. The majority GT buyer will probably have the performance package, but I can't see it in the v6 side. If that's the case, I'm all over it, lol. Although, I think I'll do alright next to the 3.31 car too. Even if I lose, they are the newer car now, so I'll have the same excuse they have this year.

Anyway, bring them on already!! The music is turned up, the beer has been drank, it's time to get this dance on!!

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Old 04-06-2010, 03:44 AM   #11
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i think the v6 camaro feels its weight more, than the SS
ultimately giving it 14's in the 1/4 mile. the SS on the other hand has more torque
and slightly more hp, than the GT helping it in the 1/4 mile. the weight isn't helping ether
the v6 or the SS.

now where is the TT engine's
ford ecoboost 3.5L vs jay leno's TT camaro v6.
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Old 04-06-2010, 08:35 AM   #12
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Which brings me to another issue. The V6 Mustang track pack is much faster than V6 Camaros, while the GT's are slightly faster than SS's. Shouldn't it be the other way around? It looks like the V6 isn't under rated, yet the 5.0 very well could be. Roughly equal weight difference so that isn't it. Something doesn't seem right. The V8 numbers feel right, but not those V6's.
Actually, I think the V6 numbers hold out. Weight difference between the V6 cars is in the 300lb neighborhood, throw in the slightly steeper gears on the Ford and you have a fairly meaningful advantage already and we haven't even gotten to power (assuming you can get the car too hook the above should be worth 3 to 4 tenths by itself) And while the consensus seems to be that the powertrains are evenly matched, in reality the 3.7L has a genuine if slight edge over the 3.6L.

Torque peaks are only 7lb ft apart, but the 280lb ft the Mustang cranks out shows up at 4250rpm while the 273lb-ft the Camaro produces doesn't arrive until 5200rpm. A torque peak which is slightly higher and which arrives 1000rpm earlier in the power band is going to produce a genuine advantage, particularly when coupled with the steeper gears the Mustang offers. Throw in a tenth or so for that and were at .4 to .5 tenths difference which is pretty close to the actual difference between these two cars.
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Old 04-06-2010, 12:07 PM   #13
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the v6 mustang will beat the v6 camaro hands down. all we can do is wait to see what gm does to the 2011 v6 camaro. i give gm the thumbs up for taking on the challenge. they answer back pretty fast that ford is not going to run away in this race. lets go GM make us proud!!!!!!
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Old 04-06-2010, 12:09 PM   #14
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I'm waiting for the '11 Camaros to come out before I offer any more opinions in these threads...
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:37 AM   #15
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V6 Camaro vs. V6 Mustang

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0 - 30 (sec): 2.5
0 - 45 (sec): 4.1
0 - 60 (sec): 6.1
0 - 75 (sec): 9.0
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 14.3 @ 98.0
0 - 60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 5.7
30 - 0 (ft): 28
60 - 0 (ft): 111.78
Braking Rating: Good
Slalom (mph): 68.2
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.86

Acceleration Comments: There's good speed here, but the V6 doesn't do anything to satisfy from a sound or feel perspective. Shifts are met with an unpleasant wind-up in the powertrain. Shifter is high in effort and somewhat notchy, but finds gears without a fight.
Braking Comments: Very good stopping distance, but pedal feel is lacking. Hard to determine if ABS is active with a pedal this soft. Not confidence-inspiring at the limit.
Handling Comments: Largely the same less-than-inspiring feel of the V8 Camaro. Front tires wash out with little feel or feedback on the skid pad, and despite decent numbers, the V6 Camaro isn't terribly satisfying in these tests either. Again, it feels as if this chassis is constantly trying to manage a huge wheel and tire combo. Nothing here is truly bad, but it's also not truly rewarding.

Mustang V6
Test Results:
0 - 30 (sec): 2.2
0 - 45 (sec): 3.8
0 - 60 (sec): 5.6
0 - 75 (sec): 8.1
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.9 @ 101.2
0 - 60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 5.3
30 - 0 (ft): 26
60 - 0 (ft): 103
Braking Rating: Excellent
Slalom (mph): 68.6
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.91

Acceleration Coments: Holy crap, this is a hard-running V6, more than enough power to overwhelm its tires leaving the line. Managing wheelspin is key in this car to get good acceleration times. Also gets good rubber on the 2-3 shift. Tranny doesn't like to rush that shift, however. We missed 3rd gear several times. Otherwise, though, this is a powerful, free-revving, nice-sounding V6.
Braking Comments: 103 feet? From a Mustang? Wow. Pedal feel isn't anything special, but there's no sign of fade and the short distance is outstanding.
Handling Comments: Truly impressive manners from a live-axle car. Balance is good as is typical with recent Mustangs, but there's more than that. There's a true sense of what's happening at the wheels with this Mustang, which provides ample driver confidence. And it's better than the independently sprung Camaro in both tests. Ford is doing something right.
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:40 AM   #16
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I believe someone ran a v6 camaro @ 13.9 not sure if it was 100% stock though gotta check out the thread again, nice numbers though 98mph seems a bit low.
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This would be one of the better V6 comparisons as it was same day, same surface type test.
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Its all about the price of mustang. If it will cost at least 1-1.5k more over camaro, u will just have to put this 1-1.5k to add few mods to camaro and run 5.5 easy. So u will have the same power car BUT...! U will own the way better quality Chevy, not Ford... AND! u will still have the best evil design car ever been made. Ever.
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If this is a argument about going fast for the best price you would not buy the camaro or stang.
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:36 AM   #20
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Its all about the price of mustang. If it will cost at least 1-1.5k more over camaro, u will just have to put this 1-1.5k to add few mods to camaro and run 5.5 easy. So u will have the same power car BUT...! U will own the way better quality Chevy, not Ford... AND! u will still have the best evil design car ever been made. Ever.
Camaro base MSRP: 23,530

Mustang base MSRP: 22,995

So the Camaro runs $535 more.
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Yep its all about both. Going pretty fast with 300+ hp and be the best looking on the road.
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Its all about the price of mustang. If it will cost at least 1-1.5k more over camaro, u will just have to put this 1-1.5k to add few mods to camaro and run 5.5 easy. So u will have the same power car BUT...! U will own the way better quality Chevy, not Ford... AND! u will still have the best evil design car ever been made. Ever.
What? Anyways, the Camaro LS starts out at 23530 and the Mustang V6 at 22995, how is the Mustang 1k-1.5k more expensive?
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Camaro base MSRP: 23,530

Mustang base MSRP: 22,995

So the Camaro runs $535 more.
I think its better to wait until stang will come out for sale. Then i will take the price with all options similar to my camaro and then compare the price.
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Camaro base MSRP: 23,530

Mustang base MSRP: 22,995

So the Camaro runs $535 more.
LOL, we posted at the same time, these Mustang threads sure move quickly lol
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I think its better to wait until stang will come out for sale. Then i will take the price with all options similar to my camaro and then compare the price.
That is the price, there is nothing to wait for..........
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