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Old 04-06-2010, 12:39 PM   #1
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My Vararam dyno results

Car has 1 7/8 headers, high flow cats, Magnaflow street catback. My car was recently dynoed with the LMR intake on it, and it made 347 rwhp, 358 ft lbs.Today we re-dynoed it with the Vararam intake and it made 352 rwhp, 362 ft lbs.

Conditions (air temp, humidity, etc) were basically identical to the previous dyno runs. All runs were also corrected SAE.

Before anyone says "those numbers are too low" or "my L99 made xxx" this dyno is conservative. I spoke to guy that road races a Supercharged C6 Vette and he said his car dynos a good 15-20 rwhp lower on this dyno compared to the other dynos he runs on.
And my car has been running 12.5 @ 111 mph with the LRM intake on it. So my car's running good.

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On the dyno, the Vararam intake is going to make very similar HP numbers as the other intakes on the market. The Vararam should out perform most other intakes out on the open road where it can pull in cooler air and take advantage of whatever "ram air" effect it gets. But on the dyno, its going to produce numbers very similar to the other intakes.

The true test will be how it performs at the track.
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when are you going to the track?
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Thank you very much. Many, many of has been waiting for some type of comparison like this.
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when are you going to the track?
Hopefully real soon.
The only problem is its pretty warm down here. It's supposed to be
85 degrees today. That's a good 15+ degrees warmer than the last time I ran with my LMR intake.
Its a shame I didn't get my Vararam a little sooner so I could have taken advantage of the slightly cooler weather.

So if I can run pretty similar times (12.5s @ 111 mph) with the Vararam in much warmer air, then the Vararam is making good HP.
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I gotta say Im stumped. I thought that you would have at least 550rwhp after the vararam.

But on a serious note thanks for posting ive been waiting to see something like this for a few months now.
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If the LMR isn't too hard to reinstall and you still have it, take it to the track and swap it there. Just a thought.
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Thank you for posting this as well. I have been waiting to see an unbiased review of the Vararam. As I suspected, and reading on the G8 forum as to what it actually produced vice claimed, it would be a little better than some of the other intakes on the dyno but not what they are claiming. It may perform better as well than most at the track as it should keep IAT`s at ambient while moving, but I am very skeptical of any real "Ram Air" effect...The throttle body, intake manifold and camshaft become limiting factors.


I agree w/ the Vette guy that the dyno is low, no way you ran those times on 347rwhp unless you dropped like 500lbs outa the car..

I can hear the lemmings now though... You didn`t drive it for 10 bazillion miles for it to learn the intake... lol.. Under WOT its using open loop, there ain`t no learning going on there. Now for part throttle closed loop operation driveabilty issues, sure.
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Thank you for posting this as well. I have been waiting to see an unbiased review of the Vararam. As I suspected, and reading on the G8 forum as to what it actually produced vice claimed, it would be a little better than some of the other intakes on the dyno but not what they are claiming. It may perform better as well than most at the track as it should keep IAT`s at ambient while moving, but I am very skeptical of any real "Ram Air" effect...The throttle body, intake manifold and camshaft become limiting factors.


I agree w/ the Vette guy that the dyno is low, no way you ran those times on 347rwhp unless you dropped like 500lbs outa the car..
Yeah, its definately not a dyno for guys wanting big numbers. Stock L99s make 31x rwhp on this dyno. I never remove anything from my car not even the crap on my back seats. I've always got stuff from work on the back seat and a emergency bag of stuff in the truck.
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Are the final numbers with a tune?
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Are the final numbers with a tune?
Yes, all numbers are tuned for each intake.

My car with the Vararam intake was actually running really well on the dyno with the LMR intake tune. But my car was fine tuned (dyno and street) for the Vararam intake.

My tuner told me his experience has shown that the Vararam intakes make pretty similar numbers (+ a few rwhp) when compared to other intakes on the market (G8 and Vette dyno experience). But he did say that the Vararams usually show
1 mph increase in trap speed at the track compared with other intakes. I believe he runs a Vararam on his Vette.
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Yes, all numbers are tuned for each intake.

My car with the Vararam intake was actually running really well on the dyno with the LMR intake tune. But my car was fine tuned (dyno and street) for the Vararam intake.

My tuner told me his experience has shown that the Vararam intakes make pretty similar numbers (+ a few rwhp) when compared to other intakes on the market (G8 and Vettes). But he did say that the Vararams usually show
1 mph increase in trap speed at the track compared with other intakes. I believe he runs a Vararam on his Vette.

Sounds good.

Also, did you have a wicker bill? If so, did you remove the bottom/sides?
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Sounds good.

Also, did you have a wicker bill? If so, did you remove the bottom/sides?
I believe my intake does have a wicker bill. If the wicker bill is the gasket. I installed my Vararam just as it arrived. I didn't remove anything.
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I believe my intake does have a wicker bill. If the wicker bill is the gasket. I installed my Vararam just as it arrived. I didn't remove anything.
If you left it in then your unit is very restricted.

I posted pics of it in the "if youve gotten your VR PM" thread

it looks like a gasket that lines the inside of the filter side of the box

Patrick told me when it came time to tune, remove the bottom/sides to un-restrict the unit
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If you left it in then your unit is very restricted.

I posted pics of it in the "if youve gotten your VR PM" thread

it looks like a gasket that lines the inside of the filter side of the box

Patrick told me when it came time to tune, remove the bottom/sides to un-restrict the unit


Is this the wickerbill?



Why would my tune only Vararam with the 3'' filter come with a wicker bill if I'm not supposed to use it?
Wacker, who did a lot of testing for Vararam said this about it. "You should also have a wicker bill all the way around the unit. It's purpose is to redirect airflow from the roof and floor of the unit. By doing that air is forced to enter the filter in the front and middle vs at the very back/large portion. This helps during the cruise portion when you are at low throttle and high incoming airflow.. It does help as I've ran one with and without."

So I'm confused.
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Is this the wickerbill?



Why would my tune only Vararam with the 3'' filter come with a wicker bill if I'm not supposed to use it?
Wacker, who did a lot of testing for Vararam said this about it. "You should also have a wicker bill all the way around the unit. It's purpose is to redirect airflow from the roof and floor of the unit. By doing that air is forced to enter the filter in the front and middle vs at the very back/large portion. This helps during the cruise portion when you are at low throttle and high incoming airflow.. It does help as I've ran one with and without."

So I'm confused.
Well I am sure as hell confused too!

YES that is the wickerbill

From Patrick when I asked him why my new unit did not coast very easily like the others did

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It will decell with the motor now because you have reduced ram effect. When you let off before air was still traveling in fast enough to keep the motor pulling. Now its been cut back to bring it into tolerance.
The fuel trims will find itself eventually ( more miles) , however, when the time comes to tune it ,simply pull the unit apart and remove the wickerbill on the airfilter side and you will be de-restricted and ready for the tune.( or do this when it gets above 80 deg F consistantly)
And when asked about removing it for the datalogging I did for VMS

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DO NOT REMOVE THE WICKERBILL!

If you want more flow ,cut the lower section of the wicker bill away "NOT THE TOP"
leave the top , just remove the lower area ,thats it!

Remember your unit was setup for "YOUR" car and mods ,what works for you will not be for all.
The wickerbill is critical because your unit is setup for up to 500 rear wheel HP.
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Well I am sure as hell confused too!

YES that is the wickerbill

From Patrick when I asked him why my new unit did not coast very easily like the others did



And when asked about removing it for the datalogging I did for VMS


I chatted again with Wacker and he said I could try removing the bottom and sides if I want. He said I might see a little increase in performance, but at the risk of some surging, etc.
He also said they're working on a new section/part (like a fin down the middle) that will eliminate the wickerbill. He's going to start testing it any day.

For now I'm going to leave it on all the way. I don't want to take a chance with surging or bucking. Maybe the next time I'm on the dyno, I'll do a with and without the wicker bill test.
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I chatted again with Wacker and he said I could try removing the bottom and sides if I want. He said I might see a little increase in performance, but at the risk of some surging, etc.
He also said they're working on a new section/part (like a fin down the middle) that will eliminate the wickerbill. He's going to start testing it any day.

For now I'm going to leave it on all the way. I don't want to take a chance with surging or bucking. Maybe the next time I'm on the dyno, I'll do a with and without the wicker bill test.
so Wacker is saying it will surge/buck even with a tune?
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so Wacker is saying it will surge/buck even with a tune?
If you keep the wickerbill on, you "shouldn't" experience much surging/bucking. Thats what the wickerbill is for (to prevent surging/bucking).
But once you start removing the wickerbill all bets are off. And from what I understand, this surging/bucking doesn't seem to want to be tuned out.
My car ran great on the test drives while it was being tuned. My car felt strong and pulled nicely. But I'll need more seat time to know if I'm going to be experiecing surging, etc. Yesterday, I never really had a chance to cruise at higher speeds where you normally experience a lot of stumbling. I'll be out today doing a lot of driving, and I'll report back on how my car is running (surging, bucking, etc).



Update
I went out and did a lot of driving this morning. My car's running great. It pulls hard and I'm not having any issues with bucking or surging. It did a lot of 60-65mph cruising in 5th and 6th gear and the car ran good.



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When you get some more drive time with the Vararam, tell us how you think it compares to the LMR intake for street driving. I have a LMR, was #20 something on the Vararam list but passed to wait and see some real world driving impressions from fellow C5ers. 5HP may not be worth it to me, I don't race very often. Thanks for your input.
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When you get some more drive time with the Vararam, tell us how you think it compares to the LMR intake for street driving. I have a LMR, was #20 something on the Vararam list but passed to wait and see some real world driving impressions from fellow C5ers. 5HP may not be worth it to me, I don't race very often. Thanks for your input.

On a stock Camaro, you'd probably feel a nice increase in performance with the Vararam. But on a car that modded like mine (CAI, Long tubes, Tune), you'll probably won't feel much of a difference. My car's running good and does seem to pull a little harder, especially at higher speeds. But I really won't know for sure until I run my car down the track in similar conditions to what I ran with my LRM intake.

But I do think the Vararam will outshine most intakes at higher speeds. You can take you hand and stick it through the front grill of the car and right into the mouth of the intake. So its getting a perfect flow of outside air right into the intake. It also has a big air filter. On the open road or the track doing 60+ mph, outside air is going to be rushing right into the mouth of the intake. That's not going to show up on a dyno test like we did with a small fan.
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If you keep the wickerbill on, you "shouldn't" experience much surging/bucking. Thats what the wickerbill is for (to prevent surging/bucking).
But once you start removing the wickerbill all bets are off. And from what I understand, this surging/bucking doesn't seem to want to be tuned out.
My car ran great on the test drives while it was being tuned. My car felt strong and pulled nicely. But I'll need more seat time to know if I'm going to be experiecing surging, etc. Yesterday, I never really had a chance to cruise at higher speeds where you normally experience a lot of stumbling. I'll be out today doing a lot of driving, and I'll report back on how my car is running (surging, bucking, etc).



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I went out and did a lot of driving this morning. My car's running great. It pulls hard and I'm not having any issues with bucking or surging. It did a lot of 60-65mph cruising in 5th and 6th gear and the car ran good.



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Wow guys,

I'm sorry you're having to go through all this abstract scenario in order to have a good functioning unit. This is the whole reason I sold mine and went with another. The user-friendliness with the Vararam is shaky at best, and although I believe it will outshine most CAIs on the track, I just felt like I was more of an experiment than anything when trying to install and optimize it. Again, I personally believe that unless you go with a smaller filter size, you're always going to have drivability issues to an extent at cruising speeds (ie surging/bucking) due to the fact that the MAF is so close to the TB. The way it's been explained to me, it has the effect of creating a confused reading through the MAF due to turbulent airflow, and the ECU will continually try to compensate without success.
The bottom line is, you need at least 6" between the MAF and TB in order to have consistant airflow readings. I believe it can be fixed, but it will take much more time and R&D (and money) in order to completely solve the problem. IN the meantime, if you're ok with the surging/bucking at cruising speeds...by all means, stick with it. If not, then ask for a smaller filter size or change units altogether.
I still view the Vararam threads because I am curious to see where this goes...and I am rooting for your success.
Good luck, fellas.
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I emailed Patrick about removing the bottom/sides of the wicker-bill for the tune, ill let you guys know what he says
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Wow guys,

I'm sorry you're having to go through all this abstract scenario in order to have a good functioning unit. This is the whole reason I sold mine and went with another. The user-friendliness with the Vararam is shaky at best, and although I believe it will outshine most CAIs on the track, I just felt like I was more of an experiment than anything when trying to install and optimize it. Again, I personally believe that unless you go with a smaller filter size, you're always going to have drivability issues to an extent at cruising speeds (ie surging/bucking) due to the fact that the MAF is so close to the TB. The way it's been explained to me, it has the effect of creating a confused reading through the MAF due to turbulent airflow, and the ECU will continually try to compensate without success.
The bottom line is, you need at least 6" between the MAF and TB in order to have consistant airflow readings. I believe it can be fixed, but it will take much more time and R&D (and money) in order to completely solve the problem. IN the meantime, if you're ok with the surging/bucking at cruising speeds...by all means, stick with it. If not, then ask for a smaller filter size or change units altogether.
I still view the Vararam threads because I am curious to see where this goes...and I am rooting for your success.
Good luck, fellas.
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Thanks Swifty for your write up. This thread and your comments have helped in my decision to not get the Vararam and go with another intake.
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