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Old 04-08-2010, 12:59 PM   #301
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'Once you get used to it - my point exactly. How often have you been cut off by some bonehead that just did'nt look, care, got caught up in the radio, etc., etc.
Okay, it seems for the moment we're on the same page. How does that differ from ANY other thing in the car? Nav, radio, windows, shifter, even the PEDALS can be a distraction for some people.

IN MY OPINION, cost has alot to do with it. USUALLY the driver of a car that costs more than average, tends to be a bit more 'car conscious' in that they watch out for traffic, getting hit, getting cut off, etc. because 1-they are a car enthusiast and simply love to drive or 2-simply for the $$ they forked out.
This "car conciousness" has, then, nothing to do with skill according to that (^) -- you're assertion is simply that people want to not wreck their expensive car.

If you drive a bike, you know what I mean. Bikers are much more in tune to traffic and their own position, status, etc. than alot of others on the road.I disagree...most bikers around here are BEGGING to get hit by their irresponsible driving behaviors. Be that as it may...bikes are far less expensive than cars...so where does this fit in?

HUD is meant to alleviate the distraction of looking away from your windshield and surroundings, but it can also have the opposite affect.I don't disagree with you, that's why it's adjustable and turn-off-able(at least on the Vette it is). But this fact has nothing to do with how much a person spends on their car -- which is what I'm debating with you right now.
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Old 04-08-2010, 12:59 PM   #302
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I hope that this is not all of the changes for the 2011, where is the Z-28 and add more Horsepower to the V-8, C'mon GM.
Had a feeling they wouldn't change the drivetrain at all after only one year's production... Not too shocked, just means we'll have to mod a little to keep our edge on Mustang...
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I hope that this is not all of the changes for the 2011, where is the Z-28 and add more Horsepower to the V-8, C'mon GM.
All indication thus far are that the Z28 will be a 2012 MY vehicle going on-sale in mid-to-late 2011. You likely won't start hearing anything official from GM about that car for quite awhile.
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I hope that this is not all of the changes for the 2011, where is the Z-28 and add more Horsepower to the V-8, C'mon GM.
They might re-certify the v8 to.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:01 PM   #305
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:02 PM   #306
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They might re-certify the v8 to.
455 to 460 HP.... Brochure HP is JUST a number.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:02 PM   #307
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Not to sounds stupid, but is it just the three items that were announced? This morning it said HP, Synergy Green and HUD and kind of made it sound like there was more to come because it referred to the three has highlights. The official press release just seemed to expand on those three things. I'm not complaining, I just want to make sure I didn't miss other changes if they were announced too.
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nice. synergy green on the SS will be awesome. HUD of course is great... i might have to spring for the 2SS now
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:04 PM   #309
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You sound like you have first hand experience. In your opinion, how easily will the 'average driver' get used to a HUD or not be distracted ?
Depends on your definition of average. I've seen people get distracted looking at nothing and run into the car in front of them (when we were all stopped at a light) because I inched forward. Around here, I see people making right hand turns from the left lane and left hand turns from the right lane all the time.
In my opinion, if you have a hard time paying attention to driving, a HUD won't make it worse but you shouldn't be on the road anyway. If you aren't somebody that spends 30secs at a time looking at the radio, a HUD won't bother you.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:05 PM   #310
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Glad I did not hold out for a 2011 MY. None of the announced changes are of any interest to me personally.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:06 PM   #311
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Nav is definitely needed to bring the car up to par with the competitions gadgets. would also like to see a back up camera option and auto tilt mirrors on reverse. I think they need to make more lux features available. Just call up the caddy guys and let them go nuts on a lux pack.
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Sorry Folks, NO MARY KAY EDITION THIS YEAR!
THAT'S IT! I'm buying a Mustang now! I'm sure they have that edition; they have every other edition, lol. j/k

I think it's pretty stupid to offer a customer as many options as is feasible, personally. I don't know what kind of business sense that is...
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:09 PM   #313
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HUD is useless for me and ADDS more $$$ to the damm car. The 2SS should have it as an option. I dint want park assist either. It BS that they add all these features for EVERYONE, raise the price of the car, and price people out of the market. We'll see how much more dinero this adds. And oh yeah, no f'n height adjustable passenger seat. Guess no one at GM is married to a shorty.
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I guess if you think about it, the stang may not be as responsive to mods.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:10 PM   #315
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I hope that this is not all of the changes for the 2011, where is the Z-28 and add more Horsepower to the V-8, C'mon GM.
I need to get away from camaro5 for awhile, because post like this are starting to make me wish they upgraded the horsepower a little too. But then again, I understand that is asking a lot for an engine that is already pumping out a lot of power. I wish they could've announced weight reduction or something. But that also is a lot of work, and would probably increase cost...

One thing I do wish sincerely though is that they'd stop bundling ALL the features in the 2LT and 2SS only... I want Bluetooth and HUD, but I don't want to spend an extra $3k+ to get leather, ambient lighting, rear park assist, and auto dimming mirrors that I don't want. Can they at least offer a smaller package for 1SS? like they do with the 1LT's convenience and connectivity package...

My main problem here is, I don't want a V6 1LT + convenience and connectivity package. I want a V8 1SS + convenience and connectivity package. I know GM is trying to steer people into the more fuel efficient V6, but you know what? I plan on keeping this car for a very long time. I don't want to settle on either paying a lot more than I want or not getting features I find very important.

But that's the game I guess. For now I'm planning on settling on a 1SS w/o all the bells and whistles because tacking on HUD and "inflation" price increases will probably make the 2SS price too prohibitive for me.

I understand there are a lot of people that have a lot more money than me and will say that I should just suck it up. I probably should, but I really don't want to. That's what the internet is for anyway, to have some sort of soap box to stand on, well that and download stuff you really don't need anyway!
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:11 PM   #316
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Hey GM, how about memory seats? I’m 6’4”, my wife is 5’4” I love the ability to press one button and have everything set to the way I drive after she has driven it.
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I'm in the same boat and my wife and I switch out driving the car almost every day. It's a good thing I bought the 6yr warranty because I'm sure the power seat button and mirror adjusting button are going to get worn out.

The only reason I'm glad the memory seats aren't here is because I would be pissed that I bought to early. I gambled they weren't going to have them in 2011 and it looks like I made the right decision to go ahead and buy a 2010. If they put it on 2012 or 2013 I might trade up then.

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HUD is useless for me and ADDS more $$$ to the damm car. The 2SS should have it as an option. I dint want park assist either. It BS that they add all these features for EVERYONE, raise the price of the car, and price people out of the market. We'll see how much more dinero this adds. And oh yeah, no f'n height adjustable passenger seat. Guess no one at GM is married to a shorty.
I wouldn't have minded the HUD but not for the $1,000 - $1,200 increase on the car. The rumors of the HUD coming (which I knew would increase price) was another deciding factor for me not to wait for 2011.
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HUD is useless for me and ADDS more $$$ to the damm car. The 2SS should have it as an option. I dint want park assist either. It BS that they add all these features for EVERYONE, raise the price of the car, and price people out of the market. We'll see how much more dinero this adds. And oh yeah, no f'n height adjustable passenger seat. Guess no one at GM is married to a shorty.
Yeah - I wish they wouldn't bundle all that sort of equipment together, because there are some things I could do without, and save money and maybe even a little weight. Still, I doubt that's really practical with assembly and ordering nowadays, so I guess that's out. Still - given the car's been out a year, and we get more improvements right away, speaks volumes in terms of GM listening to us. It takes money to make all these changes and improvements and I'm sure they did what they thought they could as soon as they could and I give them for their efforts. They could've just left the car along, but didn't, and continue to strive to give us the cars they think we want.

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Old 04-08-2010, 01:14 PM   #318
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I know that they can squeeze out more on that V6. 312HP over 304, not bad. Probably can't feel it. And why add lot of Horse power to 2011?, so people from 2010 that just bought v6 camaros, don't get pissed off. LOL
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Draoneye, my point about bikers is that they HAVE to be more alert. That's the correspondence I obviously unclear relating to the HUD. As far as Bikers in your area looking to get hit, that sucks. I'd like to think it is usually the opposite, but we dont' need to go on and on about that too.

I am not portraying this an economic issue for the HUD, as seems it has gone. My point is, a car enthusiast - in my mind, someone who targets cars they love and tend to be more into cars (driving, enjoying, etc.) and as a result, more experienced and therefore talented drivers - that's my point about 'car conscious'. Driving is their hobby so to speak.

Think about the kid that gets a Camaro for graduation and has a HUD. Will he be getting wrapped up in the novelty and possibly into trouble ? On the other hand, I'd have to think there are also less kids getting SS' as gifts too.

I think HUD is great thing, but is the general public going to be easy to adapt to it ? I don't think so. Not yet anyway. I suppose the future has to start sometime though. I still think too soon, especially in a less than $28,000 car.
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Nav is definitely needed to bring the car up to par with the competitions gadgets. would also like to see a back up camera option and auto tilt mirrors on reverse. I think they need to make more lux features available. Just call up the caddy guys and let them go nuts on a lux pack.
While I think all that is a cool idea, and would definitely add to the Camaro's already impressive feature-set...have you seen what some of those Caddy's are starting at for price?

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I think HUD is great thing, but is the general public going to be easy to adapt to it ? I don't think so. Not yet anyway. I suppose the future has to start sometime though. I still think too soon, especially in a less than $28,000 car.
I guess I leave it at "I disagree completely". I don't think it's some unique feature that needs special skills/practice to operate. Not at all.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:21 PM   #321
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Depends on your definition of average. I've seen people get distracted looking at nothing and run into the car in front of them (when we were all stopped at a light) because I inched forward. Around here, I see people making right hand turns from the left lane and left hand turns from the right lane all the time.
In my opinion, if you have a hard time paying attention to driving, a HUD won't make it worse but you shouldn't be on the road anyway. If you aren't somebody that spends 30secs at a time looking at the radio, a HUD won't bother you.
Excellent point. But, even those that run into cars in front of them looking away have little difficulty getting a license these days. I would tend to think HUD, for them, is simply more to take their attention away. In fact it's now a novelty under the excuse of trying to pay attention to the car (gauges, speedometer, etc.).

As far as the turns from opposite lanes, please don't get me started. That UZSED to be illegal. Now you can do it to a cop and usually drive away.


On another note, agreeing to disagree Dragoneye. Don't mean to rant off when a new Camaro post is trying to talk about the new car features. Don't mean to take away from that. Nuff said.
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Excellent point. But, even those that run into cars in front of them looking away have little difficulty getting a license these days. I would tend to think HUD, for them, is simply more to take their attention away. In fact it's now a novelty under the excuse of trying to pay attention to the car (gauges, speedometer, etc.).

As far as the turns from opposite lanes, please don't get me started. That UZSED to be illegal. Now you can do it to a cop and usually drive away.


On another note, agreeing to disagree Dragoneye. Don't mean to rant off when a the new Camaro post is trying to talk about the new car features. Don't mean to take away from that. Nuff said.
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It's ok little buddy. People can have different views. We don't need you telling us the same thing over and over.... It's going to be in the 2LT and 2SS no matter what!! Get over it already
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Just catching on to this thread right now but my answer to your question is windshield replacement and dash cut out or replacement!
Plus HUD component install!
Already did similar for adding the backup sensors to my car so this should not be a major mod. The single thing that kept me on the fence between Corvette and the new Camaro was the HUD ... but the Camaro won out in the end.
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new changes don't affect my reason for buying my car. I'd like to see pics of the HUD tho

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