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Old 04-08-2010, 01:14 PM   #351
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But no ABM. I guess we will live without the HUD. Would have loved to have it but like the ABM more...
I'm glad there is no ABM! Keep ours limited!!!!
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I guess no push button start.
It still is a great car
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:22 PM   #353
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I guess no push button start.
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There's no way to integrate this into either the 2010 or 2011?
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:28 PM   #354
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:29 PM   #355
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That's alright. Turning the key keeps it more car, less computer IMO. Plus I always wanted a switchblade key

Eme's Lexus has PBS, and it's great- for that kind of car. But when it comes to Camaro, I'd rather crank the motor myself
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Wow, i feel sorry for all the folks who bought the SGM Limited edition camaro, they just got punched in the face like people who bought the 09 Stang
HUD is cool, kind of a bummer that its standerd on all 2LT and 2SS models
I wonder what the etra HP v6 will do performance wise now
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:32 PM   #357
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.... GM cant win here

If they added a lot more stuff the folks who have 2010s would complain
We have shown via sales numbers that they got a lot right on the 2010 model

The design team will have finite $ to invest and it looks like right now they are directing that towards some more specialized models - e.g Z28

From memory - what the team here was yelling for most before launch was HUD and a Z28... Based on what I see it looks like GM team is keeping the faith and focussing on those

I would have loved to have had HUD - but I will at least have had the pleasure of driving the car for 9 months of so and to have been on the road while car is still a rarity
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That's alright. Turning the key keeps it more car, less computer IMO. Plus I always wanted a switchblade key

Eme's Lexus has PBS, and it's great- for that kind of car. But when it comes to Camaro, I'd rather crank the motor myself
I agree, a machine like the Camaro deserves a key. Appliances use push buttons.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:33 PM   #359
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So wait they now rate the V6 at 312 but didnt specify what they did to it? They basically just said they underrated it at 304 and ran more tests and got 312... So really nothing has changed performance wise?
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:35 PM   #360
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Nav is definitely needed to bring the car up to par with the competitions gadgets. would also like to see a back up camera option and auto tilt mirrors on reverse. I think they need to make more lux features available. Just call up the caddy guys and let them go nuts on a lux pack.
Its not designed to be a luxury car. It doesnt need nav or tilting mirrors or parking assist. This car is supposed to be driven by you, not the other way around.

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Outdone at what? that didn't even make sense lol
Oh looksee whos backing up the mustang again. LOL Really guy, its okay to admit you prefer a mustang to a camaro. Nobody is going to make fun of you or anything. Hell some people might respect you more.
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Wow, i feel sorry for all the folks who bought the SGM Limited edition camaro, they just got punched in the face like people who bought the 09 Stang
HUD is cool, kind of a bummer that its standerd on all 2LT and 2SS models
I wonder what the etra HP v6 will do performance wise now
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So wait they now rate the V6 at 312 but didnt specify what they did to it? They basically just said they underrated it at 304 and ran more tests and got 312... So really nothing has changed performance wise?
The higher rating will do nothing for performance. There have been no changes to the engine, it is just rated higher. The 2010's aperently also made 312 hp.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:36 PM   #362
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That's alright. Turning the key keeps it more car, less computer IMO. Plus I always wanted a switchblade key

Eme's Lexus has PBS, and it's great- for that kind of car. But when it comes to Camaro, I'd rather crank the motor myself
Well just because it's a push start doesn't mean it has to be a proximity push start. One of my supervisors has an X5 with a switchblade and push button. But that's why it's a BMW and he paid $50,000 for it lol. And it seems really stupid to have to have the key in the ignition for the push button to work.

And you're right, it does deserve the "extra" effort .
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:37 PM   #363
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So wait they now rate the V6 at 312 but didnt specify what they did to it? They basically just said they underrated it at 304 and ran more tests and got 312... So really nothing has changed performance wise?
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:41 PM   #364
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My .02 cents; GM has repeatedly said product is now king, for them to make NO performance improvements to the SS is plain stupid. A standard CAI, a different Gear, and/or better sways would at least alllowed them to say they are working on it. Resting on thier laurels is what got them into bankruptcy. Ford is doing a MUCH better job of this..and, I have a 2SS!!!
This drivetrain has been in place for ONE market year people... Can't expect a complete overhaul this quickly... Personally I think the car is great, and I have no problem dropping a couple mods on it to keep up with the Stang for now. Maybe next year they'll step it up like Ford seems to have done with the 5.0...

Let's not forget, Mustang has been complacent for years now, without any major improvements for one reason: CAMARO WASN'T AROUND to keep Ford on their toes

Now they panic, make a move, and Mustang is back in the running. Maybe next year we'll see some more power in the Camaro SS, but give GM a second to respond! Mustang's numbers were only recently released- it would've taken an act of God to revamp Camaro in time for this press release. However, GM- next year I DO expect to see Camaro putting down much better numbers than the Rustang!

Have faith, I doubt GM will let go of the top slot so easily...
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:42 PM   #365
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The higher rating will do nothing for performance. There have been no changes to the engine, it is just rated higher. The 2010's aperently also made 312 hp


I Agree. I read the original post as "We were just kidding about the 304 hp. It's really been 312 hp all along but we just now got around to certifying it (after we found out what the Mustang v6 would be putting out).

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Old 04-08-2010, 01:46 PM   #366
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Glad they didn't change any of the exterior.
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I Agree. I read the original post as "We were just kidding about the 305 hp. It's really been 312 hp all along but we just now got around to certifying it (after we found out what the Mustang v6 would be putting out).
But what about my 304hp call out decals?
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:49 PM   #368
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But what about my 304hp call out decals?
LOL bummer dude. Call it a sleeper
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:50 PM   #369
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My .02 cents; GM has repeatedly said product is now king, for them to make NO performance improvements to the SS is plain stupid. A standard CAI, a different Gear, and/or better sways would at least alllowed them to say they are working on it. Resting on thier laurels is what got them into bankruptcy. Ford is doing a MUCH better job of this..and, I have a 2SS!!!
It sounds like you need some time designing and building cars before you can make such an assertion. They are not resting. They are working...and there are a TON of things to work on besides an already stupid-fast SS Camaro. It's still leading the segment in sales, so I would argue that anything needs to be done. And focusing their efforts elsewhere (Convertible, maybe a Z28) is hardly 'stupid', imo.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:52 PM   #370
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The higher rating will do nothing for performance. There have been no changes to the engine, it is just rated higher. The 2010's aperently also made 312 hp.
Okay that's what I thought... So basically it means nothing hahaha. The Mustang V6 will still be loads faster.
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This drivetrain has been in place for ONE market year people... Can't expect a complete overhaul this quickly... Personally I think the car is great, and have no problem dropping a couple mods on to keep up with the Stang for now. Maybe next year they'll step it up like Ford seems to have done with the 5.0...

COMPLETE?? I said CAI and/or a Gear (3.73) and/or sways..not that hard or complicated

Mustang has been complacent for years now, without any major improvements for one reason: CAMARO WASN'T AROUND to keep Ford on their toes

Now they panic, make a move, and Mustang is back in the running. Maybe next year we'll see some more power in the Camaro SS, but give GM a second to respond! Mustang's numbers were only recently released- it would've taken an act of God to revamp Camaro in time for this press release. However, GM- next year I DO expect to see Camaro putting down much better numbers than the Rustang!

Again, product is King!! or so they say!!!

Have faith, I doubt GM will let go of the top slot so easily...
A small improvement, even a tune, would have kept them in the Game!!
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You also have to realize that GM sells more than just Camaro's. Perhaps, just perhaps, since the Camaro has proven itself as a strong seller since its release, GM felt that its resources could be better spent trying to improve other vehicles in their lineup that need updates to regain sales rather than spending in inordinate amount of time trying to stroke the ego's of a small portion if their total market.

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While a 2010 Camaro and a 2011 Camaro look like they are going to be nearly identical that is not the case for the 2010 and 2011 Mustangs.

Major changes were made.
Uh What "Major Changes" were made to the 2011 mustang to make it look different from the 2010? All the pictures I have seen they look Identical...
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My .02 cents; GM has repeatedly said product is now king, for them to make NO performance improvements to the SS is plain stupid. A standard CAI, a different Gear, and/or better sways would at least alllowed them to say they are working on it. Resting on thier laurels is what got them into bankruptcy. Ford is doing a MUCH better job of this..and, I have a 2SS!!!
The only thing Ford has done was put the new body out before they had the 5.0 which btw if I had bought one this year I would be mad as hell.
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Uh What "Major Changes" were made to the 2011 mustang to make it look different from the 2010? All the pictures I have seen they look Identical...
I wasn't talking about looks. I might have misunderstood the post that I quoted when I made that reply. If I did misunderstand the post I am sorry.

I was just mainly saying the stang was getting new engines and transmissions. along with further suspension tweaking.
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