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Old 04-08-2010, 04:48 PM   #477
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hey Camaro fans, i have a question
i wanted to buy a v6. all i wanted to know is that are they going to lower the weight and stiffen the suspension. Cause i was reading the Motor tend article on this same stuff and they said that besides for the hp it still doesn't beat that Mustang." The recertification process also found an extra five pound-feet of torque hidden inside the Camaro's 3.6-liter V-6, giving it a new total of 278 pound-feet. Mustang fans will of course point out that the Camaro still falls two pound-feet short of Ford's V-6. Because GM hasn't actually changed anything in the engine, just recertified it, the V-6 Camaro's performance numbers shouldn't change. That means a zero to 60 time of 5.7 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 14.4 seconds at 98.3 mph,[U]leaving it still just behind the Mustang, which hits 60 in 5.1 seconds and runs the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 102 mph, owing to its lighter weight."
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:48 PM   #478
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That's what I'm saying.

And to say the Camaro sells purely on "coolness" and not at all for it's performance is just ign'ent.
That isn't what I meant. The Camaro is a great performer for the money, and its performance would be a major selling point. I'm just saying that solely based on a performance aspect someone might buy the Mustang over the Camaro. However, most people won't pick a car on just a performance standpoint. That is where the coolness factor comes in.
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:49 PM   #479
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A power passenger seat will do nothing but add more weight the car doesnt need. Take out your driver seat and weigh it, then weigh the passenger seat.

No thank you, the passenger will survive without power.
Not everyone takes their car to the track. I'm not worried about my car's weight. This is a feature that is needed on the Camaro.
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hey Camaro fans, i have a question
i wanted to buy a v6. all i wanted to know is that are they going to lower the weight and stiffen the suspension. Cause i was reading the Motor tend article on this same stuff and they said that besides for the hp it still doesn't beat that Mustang." The recertification process also found an extra five pound-feet of torque hidden inside the Camaro's 3.6-liter V-6, giving it a new total of 278 pound-feet. Mustang fans will of course point out that the Camaro still falls two pound-feet short of Ford's V-6. Because GM hasn't actually changed anything in the engine, just recertified it, the V-6 Camaro's performance numbers shouldn't change. That means a zero to 60 time of 5.7 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 14.4 seconds at 98.3 mph,[U]leaving it still just behind the Mustang, which hits 60 in 5.1 seconds and runs the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 102 mph, owing to its lighter weight."
The best thing I can tell you is that we won't know for certain the options you can get on Camaros until at least you can start building them on the chevy site and ordering them.

Their might be more changes coming. Nobody but GM upper management know this.
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:52 PM   #481
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You don't understand things very well to expect them to one-up the Mustang in less than half a year. And the "better performer" has yet to be conclusively decided. The sales are still VERY strong, so your argument about what people will buy is a little flawed...
Playing devils advocate ... how long did it take Ford to release the track pack for the Mustang GT?
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:54 PM   #482
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hey Camaro fans, i have a question
i wanted to buy a v6. all i wanted to know is that are they going to lower the weight and stiffen the suspension. Cause i was reading the Motor tend article on this same stuff and they said that besides for the hp it still doesn't beat that Mustang." The recertification process also found an extra five pound-feet of torque hidden inside the Camaro's 3.6-liter V-6, giving it a new total of 278 pound-feet. Mustang fans will of course point out that the Camaro still falls two pound-feet short of Ford's V-6. Because GM hasn't actually changed anything in the engine, just recertified it, the V-6 Camaro's performance numbers shouldn't change. That means a zero to 60 time of 5.7 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 14.4 seconds at 98.3 mph,[U]leaving it still just behind the Mustang, which hits 60 in 5.1 seconds and runs the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 102 mph, owing to its lighter weight."
ODG, I can't believe you're worried about milliseconds. Just get whichever car works for you. I compared a 2000 Mustang vs. 2000 Camaro. I bought the Mustang. Same comparison in 2010, different outcome.
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:59 PM   #483
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I thought there was going to be a 3.73 gear option for the SS in model year 2011?I remember someone in the know reported on that a while ago.Wish I could find the thread.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:00 PM   #484
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hey Camaro fans, i have a question
i wanted to buy a v6. all i wanted to know is that are they going to lower the weight and stiffen the suspension. Cause i was reading the Motor tend article on this same stuff and they said that besides for the hp it still doesn't beat that Mustang." The recertification process also found an extra five pound-feet of torque hidden inside the Camaro's 3.6-liter V-6, giving it a new total of 278 pound-feet. Mustang fans will of course point out that the Camaro still falls two pound-feet short of Ford's V-6. Because GM hasn't actually changed anything in the engine, just recertified it, the V-6 Camaro's performance numbers shouldn't change. That means a zero to 60 time of 5.7 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 14.4 seconds at 98.3 mph,[U]leaving it still just behind the Mustang, which hits 60 in 5.1 seconds and runs the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 102 mph, owing to its lighter weight."
They won't be shedding 300 lbs any time soon. Chances are slit to nill on a V6 performance package (gears, stiffer suspension, etc). And if it's offered, it would probably be a year away, that is if it is offered.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:05 PM   #485
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as far as the hp getting 8hp can be so simple as to advance timeing 1 degree, so its very possible teh 11 has more, but with a tune only the 10 will have the same if not slightly more power
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I would've loved to see some new colors or ABM brought back at least, and not just the simple addition on Synergy Green.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:07 PM   #487
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“The 304 horsepower in the 2010 Camaro was actually a conservative rating on our end,” said Tom Sutter, GM V-6 chief engineer. “But we knew already that this award-winning engine produced at least the amount of power we stated, but now we’ve gone the extra step in certifying the engine for this application and have verified an additional 8 horsepower.”


So, the 2010 V6 Camaro actually has 312 HP? That's what it sounds like from GM's chief V-6 engineer. That's pretty cool.

What I understand from his explanation posted above is that GM finally (for the 2011 model year) SAE certified the V-6 Camaro's HP to be higher than their original conservative rating used for the 2010 model year.

Am I understanding this correctly? If so, the V-6 Camaro, with exhaust, intake, headers, and a tune really has some good usable power. That's awesome.
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Wah!?!?

It produced the most power when it was released...and it STILL makes the most power...there was no bluffing, and no reason to be angry...what are you talking about?
What I'm talking about is perception. I would be happy to find out it had more power than first rated(Although I don't know why because it's not going to make it run any faster) ,but people will look at the 2010 as the one year the v-6 only had 304Hp. I bet once this all gets out and 2011's start showing up we'll see a thread started on here about someone with a 2010 saying something like" I was at the gas station the other day when a guy came up and ask "what motor you got?" ,when the op says" why a V-6", then the guy says" Is that a 2010 or 2011?" , op says" 2010" , guy says " man that sucks you got stuck with the low Hp one" .
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With the extra 8 HP, I feel like I stole mine from my dealer.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:09 PM   #490
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Wow Mr. Obsessed, just because I own a camaro doesn't mean I have to defend every camaro ever made, especially when a competitor outperforms it hopefully they will reply with an advancement thats how the game goes, unlike you I can accept facts and talk about them.

It doesn't eat me alive inside that one car is faster than the other, and these are cars not people you are taking all of this way too seriously.
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Ok guy, I drive a TT 2010 GT500 so I dont know what your talking about. Id show you a picture of it but I dont have a digital camera or a picture phone in 2010, but I do have a sports car.

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Not everyone takes their car to the track. I'm not worried about my car's weight. This is a feature that is needed on the Camaro.
It doesnt need a power passenger seat. Why so the passenger can see 1" extra of road? It would cost more and weigh more. This car costs enough and certainly weighs enough as is. Again, its supposed to be a muscle car, not a lexus, not a caddy (cts-v coupe would be perfect for you), not a lincoln ect ect. Its a Camaro, supposed to be fast and cheap. Not obese slow and expensive.
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GM SAE-certified the 2010 Camaro V6 at 304hp.

And yes it sounds like they are just rating the car higher now.

My guess is the 2010 was certified on 87 octane gas and the 2011 is rated on 91 or higher octane gas.
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What I'm talking about is perception. I would be happy to find out it had more power than first rated(Although I don't know why because it's not going to make it run any faster) ,but people will look at the 2010 as the one year the v-6 only had 304Hp. I bet once this all gets out and 2011's start showing up we'll see a thread started on here about someone with a 2010 saying something like" I was at the gas station the other day when a guy came up and ask "what motor you got?" ,when the op says" why a V-6", then the guy says" Is that a 2010 or 2011?" , op says" 2010" , guy says " man that sucks you got stuck with the low Hp one" .
I'll bet even enthusiasts will forget about 304 in a matter of 2 years. Let alone people on the street knowing the difference between the '10 or the '11.
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I'll bet even enthusiasts will forget about 304 in a matter of 2 years. Let alone people on the street knowing the difference between the '10 or the '11.

No, things like that will stick around. At least with enthusiasts. I know like a metric ton of stupid 3rd and 4th gen things that dont matter anymore.
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