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Old 10-07-2008, 11:24 AM   #1
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Supercharger vs. Blower

I was reading the new Motor Tread and Car & Driver, they have the review of the new CTS-V, it has a supercharger on it, now I am going to show how much of a newbie I am , but are a SUPERCHARGER & a BLOWER the same thing???
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:25 AM   #2
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I was reading the new Motor Tread and Car & Driver, they have the review of the new CTS-V, it has a supercharger on it, now I am going to show how much of a newbie I am , but are a SUPERCHARGER & a BLOWER the same thing???
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supercharger and blower are the same thing. you know the difference from a supercharger and a turbo right?
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:31 AM   #5
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It's more fun to say your car got blown, though. It sounds sexier.
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:31 AM   #6
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supercharger and blower are the same thing. you know the difference from a supercharger and a turbo right?
Yes, I think, turbo reuses the exhaust for power and the supercharger/blower forces more air into the chamber.

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Old 10-07-2008, 11:32 AM   #7
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It's more fun to say your car got blown, though. It sounds sexier.
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:47 AM   #8
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Yes, I think, turbo reuses the exhaust for power and the supercharger/blower forces more air into the chamber.

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not quite, supercharger systems use a belt to spin what is essentially a air compresser to force more air into the cylinder, a turbo charger uses exhaust gas to spin one side of a turbine on its way out of the car, the other side of the turbine spins and compresses clean air forcing it into the cylinders
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Yes, I think, turbo reuses the exhaust for power and the supercharger/blower forces more air into the chamber.

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A turbo charger uses the exaust gases to turn an impeller which forces more air into the engine.

A supercharger uses a belt to turn an impeller (of sorts) which forces more air into the engine.

The both force more air in. But a turbo doesn't "reuse" anything.
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A turbo charger uses the exaust gases to turn an impeller which forces more air into the engine.

A supercharger uses a belt to turn an impeller (of sorts) which forces more air into the engine.

The both force more air in. But a turbo doesn't "reuse" anything.
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beat ya too it....=P
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:06 PM   #12
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you guys know just about everything...if not everything. If we were to decide to get our camaro "blown" which blower your you recomend? and how much increased power will it add to the SS?
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:22 PM   #13
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Eaton Twin Screw. 40-60% more power easily.
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:32 PM   #14
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Eaton Twin Screw. 40-60% more power easily.
for more specifics Eaton tvs series (1900 or 2300) both are great and would add the 40-60% Bowtieguy said, you can get these from Magnacharger (owned by eaton) as a do it yourself kit or have them installed.
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Are they hard to install?
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:50 PM   #16
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Are they hard to install?
with very minimal technical knowledge you can do an install in 9-10 hours....you can read the install guide at magnachargers website.
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There are a lot of options out there regarding superchargers. You have the traditional roots-style that you see on Top Fuel and Alchohol drag cars; there are screw-type, like Whipple superchargers that are similar but instead of using lobes they use larger screw-like lobes that are very efficient too. THEN, there are centrifugal superchargers, like Procharger, Vortech, Paxton, etc. that look similar to turbos, are more flexible in where you can mount them, and very efficient too. You can pretty much put them where they can be driven off the belt from the engine.

It is claimed superchargers consume power from the engine (which is true) and turbochargers are more efficient because they don't actually draw power from the engine, they use exhaust from the engine to force air back into it, therefor give more power. I know that screw-type and newer TVS superchargers are getting into the same efficienct range as turbos' but I believe turbos are more easy to control and tune for. If I remember right, the 2300 supercharger on the LS9 actually takes 60 horsepower to turn at peak power/boost but I believe turbos add some exhaust restriction and although don't take power, they still restricit it technically (mostly my theory as I don't claim to know all the ins-and-outs of either superchargers or turbochargers; most of my knowledges is from reading and research, FWIW)

Magnuson already has G8 kits which are thought to be able to bolt right up to Camaro and I know that Whipple has many kits for Gen III and Gen IV engines so it's going to be up to you what to go with. I'd definately consider making sure you have either intercooling or aftercooling (it depends on the supercharger manufacturer as to what terminology they use in referrence to their respective systems) to keep the air/fuel charge temperatures down so you can run boost and not melt pistons. Consider keeping an eye here; I'm sure there are going to be lots of people who try many of these options and report their experience
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It's more fun to say your car got blown, though. It sounds sexier.
i like the phrase blown and stroked.
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Old 10-07-2008, 08:50 PM   #21
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To further confuse things . . . technically a supercharger is a device to force air into the combustion chamber in order to make more power. Nothing specifies how you do this. An exhaust driven supercharger is referred to as a turbocharger, but it is still a supercharger. There are also some electric superchargers. These are small and weak and don't help much, they are ignored by everyone seriously into performance. Follow their lead.
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forgive me for being an even bigger newb but exatly ESTMATED around how many hp will this add???? and what are the drawbacks?? gotta be some negative with the car by adding this??

More Fuel Consumption??
Voiding Warranties??
Anything?
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forgive me for being an even bigger newb but exatly ESTMATED around how many hp will this add???? and what are the drawbacks?? gotta be some negative with the car by adding this??

More Fuel Consumption??
Voiding Warranties??
Anything?
all of the above...
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all of the above...
And you could blow the welds on your intake manifold.
(ps I know that's in reference to nitrous oxide)
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not quite, supercharger systems use a belt to spin what is essentially a air compresser to force more air into the cylinder, a turbo charger uses exhaust gas to spin one side of a turbine on its way out of the car, the other side of the turbine spins and compresses clean air forcing it into the cylinders
Thank you for the right answer, I am still learning, even though I live in NASCAR country & just went to the NHRA, I know nothing about engines, but I soon will.

Thanks for helping the NEWBIE!!!
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