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Old 04-19-2010, 04:37 PM   #1
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Our Twin Turbo Kit

Hey every one we are going to start work on a twin turbo set up. We want to see what turbo you guys would rather use, the Garrett GT37r or Turbonetics Hurricane Ashly CBB. With these turbos we will run duel 50mm Synchronic Wastegate and a Synchronic BOV. We ourselves are looking to put over 800 whp with this kit and a few other support mods. We are going over ways to make a top of the line kit and keep cost low. All you turbo junkies post what you would like to see in this kit!
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:21 PM   #2
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Hey every one we are going to start work on a twin turbo set up. We want to see what turbo you guys would rather use, the Garrett GT37r or Turbonetics Hurricane Ashly CBB. With these turbos we will run duel 50mm Synchronic Wastegate and a Synchronic BOV. We ourselves are looking to put over 800 whp with this kit and a few other support mods. We are going over ways to make a top of the line kit and keep cost low. All you turbo junkies post what you would like to see in this kit!
Bill, I've had the GT37r and they are fantastic in response and durability. I'm sure they are more expensive than the Turbonetics, but if possible you may give that choice to the consumer to pick either or.

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Old 04-19-2010, 09:11 PM   #3
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Both are very close in price both are ball bearing both are great turbos the GT37r is a little more in price. This is going to be a very fun kit! We are look through everything to make a very good price kit that is good for up to 1000 HP! And with this ket just to let you guys kno you will not need a boost controller the wastegates have controller between 5 and 20 psi i dont know who would be going over 20 psi.

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Both are very close in price both are ball bearing both are great turbos the GT37r is a little more in price. This is going to be a very fun kit! We are look through everything to make a very good price kit that is good for up to 1000 HP! And with this ket just to let you guys kno you will not need a boost controller the wastegates have controller between 5 and 20 psi i dont know who would be going over 20 psi.
Bill, one other suggestion that I hope you look into this. Every kit that I have seen, the front pumper blocks almost 80% of the intercooler and it only gets a bit of air from the top and bottom. My suggestion is to have a "Wide" but "Short" intercooler that sits under the bumper. The total dimensions would still equal to, but you get more exposure to cool air. Check out this design. I'm not saying make it this big, but you can see there is no blockage like other kits I've seen. http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3788/img0007y.jpg
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:41 AM   #5
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Yes im going to take a look into that. That one is really long just going over the pipping in my head to make everything fit with the most ease i dont want to make a hard install.
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Yes im going to take a look into that. That one is really long just going over the pipping in my head to make everything fit with the most ease i dont want to make a hard install.
I just showed that you to make a point of avoiding getting blocked by the bumper. Take a look at some of the other kits, and you notice some are very blocked. And if you put a huge intercooler that goes all the way from the top to bottom, first your blocking the radiator and secondly, in 7lb of boost package, your pressure drops due to over sized intercooler. The camaro poses a few odd restrictions and this is one of them Good luck
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Old 04-20-2010, 04:06 PM   #7
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We are looking for a intercooler that will not be covered like in other kits we might use a GT3582r instead of the GT3788r Less lag and can still get 1000 HP with them. Z_Rocks What do you think of the GT35R?
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We are looking for a intercooler that will not be covered like in other kits we might use a GT3582r instead of the GT3788r Less lag and can still get 1000 HP with them. Z_Rocks What do you think of the GT35R?
I have not had any experience with the 35 series, and I think depend on your goal, quicker spool for city driving or later spool but with longer lasting boost.

Another thing to consider (and I haven't really investigated the space) is the following issue which also might affect your decision on the turbo.

Let's say looking at the new BMW turbo series, they're bringing the turbo very close to the engine to a) minimize the latency b) to get the most charged energy released from the engine. Porsche does the same thing. On the Vettes, APS and TTi did the same by connecting the turbos directly to the manifold, rather than with the other kits, placing them under the car.

This is something that I'd also take into consideration, if there is room for the turbos to be on the side and connected to the (custom) manifold. This will also bring the turbos closer to the front of the car for shorter air intake and shorter connection to the intercooler.

I always liked the APS (Z06 model) design and had a great response. When I look at some of the other kits and if you add up the length of all the pluming, there is a lot of distance that the air needs to travel before getting to the engine.

If I were you, I'd look at the design out of the box rather than the conventional design of putting two turbos under the car with lots of tubes running... Otherwise you're not bringing anything unique to the table.

Just my two cents and I don't mean any disrespect to other kits or yours. Here we're trying to collaborate and build something better.

I think once you figure out the positioning and overall air travel distance, then you can figure out the Turbos that would satisfy that need. That's how I'd approach it!

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Yes we are trying to do something like the aps style the less Tubeing the better! I was looking over the APS Zo6 and thats what we want but better.The GT35r Will Fit and can handle 1200 FWHP. My Biggest problem is finding the right intercooler we might have to go with a full customs intercooler. We are trying to have it when you order the kit you can pick from 3 boost settings and we can send a tune for that boost setting and set the wastegates for you. The more you tell us what you want the better. Thanks for your help Z_Rocks We are looking into everything you are talking about to make the best Kit out there!
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Yes we are trying to do something like the aps style the less Tubeing the better! I was looking over the APS Zo6 and thats what we want but better.The GT35r Will Fit and can handle 1200 FWHP. My Biggest problem is finding the right intercooler we might have to go with a full customs intercooler. We are trying to have it when you order the kit you can pick from 3 boost settings and we can send a tune for that boost setting and set the wastegates for you. The more you tell us what you want the better. Thanks for your help Z_Rocks We are looking into everything you are talking about to make the best Kit out there!
I'm sure you'll design a good system with your open mind and being transparent. In the long run it will payoff. Good luck
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:41 PM   #11
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Thanks Z We want to do this kit right i have looked all over for a good intercooler that will fit right and handle the hp if you see any let me know.
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I just showed that you to make a point of avoiding getting blocked by the bumper. Take a look at some of the other kits, and you notice some are very blocked. And if you put a huge intercooler that goes all the way from the top to bottom, first your blocking the radiator and secondly, in 7lb of boost package, your pressure drops due to over sized intercooler. The camaro poses a few odd restrictions and this is one of them Good luck
I also think the idea of a wider but shorter in height intercooler is a very good idea. Blocking the radiator makes the engine very hot for stop-and-go driving when you live in hot areas like Southern CA. Just my 2 cents.

I'm excited to see this kit.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:09 AM   #13
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The closest i have found so far is this one
The core it self is only 6" tall but the end tanks are 3 inch so overall its 12" the flow rate is great on this with 1492 CFM and at max flow only 1.5 psi dropim trying to find away to make it fit right. I could of made a short long one but with it that long there would of been a psi drop of over 8! so we can not do it like that. From the front cross bar to the bottom of the front bumper is about 7 1/2" and 1 1/2" of the core might be covered but if its set back as far as it can the whole core should still get air! Let me know what you guys think.
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The closest i have found so far is this one
The core it self is only 6" tall but the end tanks are 3 inch so overall its 12" the flow rate is great on this with 1492 CFM and at max flow only 1.5 psi dropim trying to find away to make it fit right. I could of made a short long one but with it that long there would of been a psi drop of over 8! so we can not do it like that. From the front cross bar to the bottom of the front bumper is about 7 1/2" and 1 1/2" of the core might be covered but if its set back as far as it can the whole core should still get air! Let me know what you guys think.
I like this IC for the way it distributes air and the input and output are far from each other. This will allow for the maximum usage of the core. In some IC the input and output are on the exact opposite sides which most of the core will not get utilized.

Ok Bill, are you saying you want to put this behind the bumper or below or above? I didn't get that clearly from you. perhaps you can do a drawing and post it. But the IC looks very good.
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Part of it would be behind most of it would be below the cross mount trying to keep a good gap between the cross mount and the IC there would still be air flow behind the cross mount. There is very little space with this car im not worried about blocking the radiator the IC does not stop air flow to it. or i can set it up vertically where most of it sticks out top same core but both inlet and outlet or on the same side.
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Hey every one we are going to start work on a twin turbo set up. We want to see what turbo you guys would rather use, the Garrett GT37r or Turbonetics Hurricane Ashly CBB. With these turbos we will run duel 50mm Synchronic Wastegate and a Synchronic BOV. We ourselves are looking to put over 800 whp with this kit and a few other support mods. We are going over ways to make a top of the line kit and keep cost low. All you turbo junkies post what you would like to see in this kit!
Why the twins?with the turbine and compressor technology where it is at i cant think of any reason other than hiding them why someone would want two instead of one big one.
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Why the twins?with the turbine and compressor technology where it is at i cant think of any reason other than hiding them why someone would want two instead of one big one.
You asked "Why the twins"
Now let me ask you this, and your answer "Could" answer your own question.
Would you like to have a twin set of girls on your both sides or would you rather to have a single big & hot one on the top of you...? (we're talking turbos)

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Yes with the new technology out there big turbos spool much faster then in the past and you get i have to say have one of the best if not the best single turbo kit out there. But twins are still quicker to spool and its a differnt drive then a single. with twin keeping them low keep down temp lower center of gravity and gives a very clean look. And so far as we see we will be able to make this kit and be around the price of a single.
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And what Z said haha!!
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Yes with the new technology out there big turbos spool much faster then in the past and you get i have to say have one of the best if not the best single turbo kit out there. But twins are still quicker to spool and its a differnt drive then a single. with twin keeping them low keep down temp lower center of gravity and gives a very clean look. And so far as we see we will be able to make this kit and be around the price of a single.
Twin, single, turbo power is turbo power...good luck on your twin setup guys..


We love the twin's for a street car, if done on paper FIRST then built ...well, the end result is crazy....


hey Z if the high and low pressure zones in front fascia of a car with the hood down work well (the camaro is great)your intercooler will not need to be 100% exposed in the vision but LOOKS COOL...the most important thing Is the righ size for your application (big or small) and efficiency !....$10,000 a day wind tunnel is the next best thing to sliced bread!!!

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Twin, single, turbo power is turbo

We love the twin's for a street car
That's why you see most manufactures go for twins, for it's quick delivery!

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I think that was my subtle message to Bill;

I think you two guys (Will & Bill) should put your heads together with all your experience and knowledge. Best wishes!
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That's why you see most manufactures go for twins, for it's quick delivery!


I think that was my subtle message to Bill;

I think you two guys (Will & Bill) should put your heads together with all your experience and knowledge. Best wishes!
LOL...if we had more time on our hands i would be more then happy to help them out..if they need any imput from a little shop like me you more then welcome...
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The closest i have found so far is this one
The core it self is only 6" tall but the end tanks are 3 inch so overall its 12" the flow rate is great on this with 1492 CFM and at max flow only 1.5 psi dropim trying to find away to make it fit right. I could of made a short long one but with it that long there would of been a psi drop of over 8! so we can not do it like that. From the front cross bar to the bottom of the front bumper is about 7 1/2" and 1 1/2" of the core might be covered but if its set back as far as it can the whole core should still get air! Let me know what you guys think.
Bell core and you can build whatever you want... pssssssssssst thats a single in and out .... just pickin at ya
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Yea lol we were thinking of merging the two pipes from the turbos and having the piping come up the right side trying to keep it simple with as little piping as posible. Will, all your input is welcomed in no mean we are the turbo experts but we just want to be able to put out a kit thats well built.
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Okay i think i found what we are going to do was going ovwer this all day we are going to use a 2 in 1 out like this one.


The 2 in we are going to have faceing down not on the side and we are looking into tilting the radiator back almost like vararam and having the intercooler piping go over the radiator. the piping can be very straght forward. with the set up like this it will be a very clean set up and wont realy have to move things around other then the radiator. the top opening is bigger then the bottom aswell. Very close to the vett aps set up.
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