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Old 10-11-2008, 01:33 AM   #101
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Surely you must be joking GM. Ha Ha, good joke. Please splain...

I have to go change my avatar again. :(
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Old 10-11-2008, 02:22 AM   #102
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So really, how do you all propose we get GM to hear this? I mean, I could talk about how upset this lack of blue options is to me all day (and I like HeavyT100's idea about a blue and a red for each of the engine choices), but I'd really like to get GM to take notice and realize what they are doing to the true Camaro fans and what they may be losing in this choice. I'd like to think they're reading all of our comments and taking them under very serious consideration, but how do I know?

Heck, if I really had to, I'd even be willing to pay a few hundred dollars premium just to get my SS in Imperial Blue, despite the fact that it's offered on the V6 at no additional charge... That's how much I want this color (but I'm not paying another few THOUSAND dollars for it, that's just craziness )!!
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:18 AM   #103
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[QUOTE=Optimus Prime;152794]So really, how do you all propose we get GM to hear this?

If you don't think he already knows, may I suggest a PM to Scott. Fbodfather

On our US Flag, blue represents vigilence, perseverance and justice. If all the blue lovers unite maybe you can get justice from GM. I don't understand this either. They must have what "they" think is a good reason. I'm curious what that reason could be.
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I beg to differ...

Blue w/ white stripes has been in the performance game for a VERY long time.
I agree. In fact it is one of the premiere colors when it comes to pony/muscle cars. Aside from the Penske cars, the blue with white stripe early Mustangs come to mind as well as the white with blue stripe Mustangs.

I distinctly remember all the blue Chrysler Hemi cars (GTX, Road Runner, Barracuda, Super Bee's and Chargers) all coming with a Lemans Blue type color.
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Another thing that annoys me is that they make the ambient lighting BLUE and then don't have a body color that matches the amvient lighting... hello? That makes not a whole lot of sense to me.

And why exactly is this some big "secret"? They're clamping down on his harder than the Obama people are on his relationship with Ayers and Reverend Wright!
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:33 AM   #106
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Why couldn't they have done this:

LS/LT: Aqua Blue, Red Jewel Tintcoat

SS: Imperial Blue, Victory Red

That way you could get red or blue, no matter which Camaro you ordered.
Because it's GM, and they always have to make things more complicated then they really are.

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Another thing that annoys me is that they make the ambient lighting BLUE and then don't have a body color that matches the amvient lighting... hello? That makes not a whole lot of sense to me.

And why exactly is this some big "secret"? They're clamping down on his harder than the Obama people are on his relationship with Ayers and Reverend Wright!
So true. The silence on their part is deafening.
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And why exactly is this some big "secret"? They're clamping down on his harder than the Obama people are on his relationship with Ayers and Reverend Wright!
They're clamping down harder than a guy in a bus after an East Indian dinner!
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i do think some green should be offered for the ss, and definitely the blue, but honestly, the aqua blue has never been a very attractive color to me. i'm kinda glad they put the ss above that.
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i do think some green should be offered for the ss, and definitely the blue, but honestly, the aqua blue has never been a very attractive color to me. i'm kinda glad they put the ss above that.
I agree with ya about the aqua blue , but it isn't about us, it's about our brothers and sisters who just got their hearts broken...
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Well, they made it easy to decide to wait for a year or 2 before getting one, as Imperial Blue on the SS is the only acceptable color for me.

I think they would be wise to ditch Red Jewel tintcoat and Aqua Blue in their entirety...they both just seem to be "lesser" colors....I think they seem kind of like something applied at a Maaco body shop to a Cavalier owned by a 19 yr old than belonging on a 400+ HP muscle car.

What would be wrong with a nice Polo Green or Racing Green, and beautiful Imperial Blue
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GM will be reading this thread. While I don't 'know', it would be extremely stupid of them to not offer blue on the SS and then to not look for the reaction by the enthusiasts.

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Another thing that annoys me is that they make the ambient lighting BLUE and then don't have a body color that matches the amvient lighting... hello? That makes not a whole lot of sense to me.
I can't figure that one out either.
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Old 10-11-2008, 10:32 AM   #112
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If you don't think he already knows, may I suggest a PM to Scott. Fbodfather

On our US Flag, blue represents vigilence, perseverance and justice. If all the blue lovers unite maybe you can get justice from GM. I don't understand this either. They must have what "they" think is a good reason. I'm curious what that reason could be.
Actually I did PM him about it a few days ago concerning the salesperson ordering guide, before this consumer guide was released, and he hasn't responded yet.
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Not too long ago I posted in the cosmetics forum asking why it seemed that there were no accessories offered in blue, and I guess that was foreshadowing this.

I know this doesn't help the people ordering their car now, but for all the people waiting, color options are the features most likely to change between model years. I would almost bet a week's salary that for MY2011 some colors will be axed and some new ones will be added. So everyone who wants green, jetsteam blue instead of aqua blue, and a lighter, more Le Mans-ish blue instead of Imperial blue (count me as a supporter of all those) or any other color change, keep asking, respectfully of course. Color options are a cheap and easy change and it freshens up a new model year, so GM will be more than willing to change up the color choices to meet demand.
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I can understand them wanting to reduce part numbers and such, especially since now the SS and RS have different body parts, but come on, not a single BLUE for the SS?

IMHOPINION my least favorite color of all and the only one I would NOT get is the Red Jewel. Pay MORE and make your car look like a Buick? No thanks. I hope it goes the way of the '98 gold Fbodies. The way I see it there are Almost 3 reds in the line-up as it is if you count Hugger Orange as one of the reds. Get rid of Red Jewel and use the floor space and WIP areas or whatever for some BLUE SS parts.
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The same reason they don't offer a HUD yet... to turn away my business!

I had nearly convinced myself that I would forget about the HUD and go ahead and place an order but now this is just driving me insane. I can't settle on multiple things I want being left off.... one maybe, but not multiple. This is a sad day for me.
I am right there with ya man...for most of this is our dream car and possibly our last chance to get a taste of a muscle car the way techonology and economy are changing each year....

colors, options, and packages that are already circulating through GM/Chevy vehicles that are being put off or not available for launch is extremely irritating.
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sooo essentially....there will just be a hell of alot of black and cyber gray SS maros driving around....awesome, I wanted black but I don't want to have same exact color everyone else has...
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this seems pretty ridiculous.

back when i was 16ish looking for my first car, i had wanted a wrx, in blue. after i found out how much they cost, i was going to get an r32, again in blue. didnt realize how much they were either so i was going to get a golf. (think thats offered in blue.)

but eventually a friend of mine had gotten a camaro and then i wanted one. but to my disappointment, gm made like 5 MQB camaros, and NBM wasnt offered till the years out of my price range.

so i settled on bright red.

for the 5th gen i thought, hey look at these blues. aqua is kinda ehh (never liked mystic teal) but i really liked the imperial blue. seems brighter than nbm (my only complaint about nbm is that its kinda dark.) very classy color. but now its not offered on the ss? what the crap is the reasoning on that?

one of the few things i kept hearing repeated about the car was how important customization (and interior features, like sound system, etc.) are. i think its pretty shitty to limit the color selection of the top car. especially when it could sell near the same volume as the base car, along with the fact that theres no good reason to do this. if i can pay $1000 extra dollars for a red, why cant i atleast be offered that to pay for a blue?

this is definitely a "GM" type move and im sure it will be pointed out as one of the few negative points for the car.

not to mention no hud (or nav) at launch.

i think ill be waiting till 2011 or 2012 when the car is finished before i buy one.
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Perhaps they're trying to draw more people towards the V6 for reasons related to CAFE.
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RANT ALERT

I love ya GM, I really do. You'll weather the storm.

But,

1. No NAV - I don't care, but most people do. OnStar turn by turn doesn't replace NAV.

2. No Blue for enthusiasts (SS)? Arrogant again.

3. Telling us we're too stupid to understand vehicle dynamics and safety constraints that produced a two ton Camaro. The same GM people who earlier said they called Jenny Craig Weight Loss Centers about the Camaro.
Ask Nissan how to design a sports car, 370Z is gaining power, AND losing 200lbs from the 350Z, down to around 3000lbs.
Don't think you'll feel an extra 1000 pounds on the road and at the gas pump? BS. The 370Z may start at $35000, but that will be close to a comparably equipped Camaro SS. We're willing to pay a couple of thousand more for a thousand less pounds of dead weight.

4. Saying you can't do anything about some horrible authorized dealers gouging everyone to death, repeatedly. Even on the 5 year old Corvette design.

In summary: Quit telling us what we want. We are the customer. You are in deep shxx, because of your past greed (high-profit, gas-guzzling trucks and SUV's) and arrogance. Repent!

Or just keep doing what you've been doing. Seems to be working well...

I still hope to buy a Camaro or a Corvette. I'm hooked on Chevy V8 power, and all-American styling inside and out.

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I too wanted the Imperial Blue but not sure now.

I decided to wait to place my order. I'm 3rd at my dealer but now I may go ahead and get a different car altogether.
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Sorry I'm late. Now what's this garbage about no blue??? Aqua blue was at the top of my list. Mustang has blue, the Challenger has blue but the Camaro's not? Who's the wizard that decided that? Come'on GM do the right thing an put Blue in the SS line up.
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Yep depending on the price of the SS i may have even paid extra for the Jetstream Blue
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I love ya GM, I really do. You'll weather the storm.

But,

1. No NAV - I don't care, but most people do. OnStar turn by turn doesn't replace NAV.

2. No Blue for enthusiasts (SS)? Arrogant again.

3. Telling us we're too stupid to understand vehicle dynamics and safety contraints that produced a two ton Camaro. The same GM people who earlier said they called Jenny Craig Weight Loss Centers about the Camaro.
Ask Nissan how to design a sports car, 370Z is gaining power, AND losing 200lbs from the 350Z, down to around 3000lbs.
Don't think you'll feel an extra 1000 pounds on the road and at the gas pump? BS. The 370Z may start at $35000, but that will be close to a comparably equipped Camaro SS. We're willing to pay a couple of thousand more for a thousand less pounds of dead weight.

4. Saying you can't do anything about some horrible authorized dealers gouging everyone to death, repeatedly. Even on the 5 year old Corvette design.

In summary: Quit telling us what we want. We are the customer. You are in deep shxx, because of your past greed (high-profit, gas-guzzling trucks and SUV's) and arrogance. Repent!

Or just keep doing what you've been doing. Seems to be working well...

I still hope to buy a Camaro or a Corvette. I'm hooked on Chevy V8 power, and all-American styling inside and out.

Something to consider about the 370z, it is a tiny 2 seater, not really in the same category as the camaro. Look at the G37 from infiniti, weighs in around 3600-3700 with that same drivetrain as the 370z will get. Does'nt sound much lighter than a 3750 lb camaro v6. V8's and associated beefier drivetrain will weigh more than a V6, that is just common sense. If you want to see what it takes pricewise to make a 3200 lb v8 rwd car, it is called a vette, fiberglass body, and not cheap overall. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Also, what you call greed, most agreed with the domestics (including Toyota and Nissan) that trucks were a good investment. You may not think so but when a domestic company makes money it is good for America and for us all.

Dealers are their own situation, it is called supply and demand, if you don't like it, then wait until supply is adequate to get a decent price. Otherwise be prepared to look around to find a good price.

I would love a blue option, but I am sure they will eventually offer it. They have a lot of hard decisions to make to keep this car competitive, so it may be frustrating, but if fewer options means I get a better engineered car then I will take it.

Ok, now my rant is over...
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3. Telling us we're too stupid to understand vehicle dynamics and safety contraints that produced a two ton Camaro. The same GM people who earlier said they called Jenny Craig Weight Loss Centers about the Camaro.
Ask Nissan how to design a sports car, 370Z is gaining power, AND losing 200lbs from the 350Z, down to around 3000lbs.
Don't think you'll feel an extra 1000 pounds on the road and at the gas pump? BS. The 370Z may start at $35000, but that will be close to a comparably equipped Camaro SS. We're willing to pay a couple of thousand more for a thousand less pounds of dead weight.
Hate to break it to ya, but it would cost GM an extra billion or so to make the Camaro significantly lighter. And it would push the cost of the Camaro uncomfortably close to that of the Corvette. Thats what it costs to develop a new platform, more on the platform later. The Corvette is a low volume car and thus does not need to meet all safety requirements. This lets them use a chasis optimized for low weight. But even then, the 2 seat corvette weighs 3200 lbs. So you expect them to be able to make a bigger car, with 2 more seats, for less money, and weighing 400 lbs less than a Corvette (you did say an extra 1000 lbs)

The Camaro is derived from the zeta platform which is derived from the sigma platform. This platform was chosen because it will keep costs down and it was designed to be versitile. The downside of this is its weight. Speaking of the G8, I've driven a one and didn't notice the weight. Others have driven the Camaro, they haven't noticed the weight. And we all know that Japanesse sports cars hold up to abuse real well
lastly: of light weight, cost, and durability: pick 2

sorry for the rant, but I wanted to say more than 'check the sig'
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sooo essentially....there will just be a hell of alot of black and cyber gray SS maros driving around....awesome, I wanted black but I don't want to have same exact color everyone else has...
Good point. Everyone and his uncle is going to have the same exact color scheme as you, given the color choices being limited.

Here's something to consider... there may be a good reason for a bunch of these things like the HUD delay and the lack of blue, but keeping the fans in the dark makes these decisions appear arbitrary and out of touch with the fans. You do more harm than good by telling disciples these explanations and forbidding them from telling us. That only makes it seem like there's something to hide.
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