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Old 08-06-2006, 10:14 AM   #1
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Exclamation Camaro to get "green light" this week!

Im not on this board much I just like reading the comments but I thought I would let everyone in on this:
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FREE PRESS EXCLUSIVE: Camaro to roar back by 2008

GM to announce Chevy going from concept to streets

August 6, 2006

BY TOM WALSH and MARK PHELAN
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITERS


It's really happening: The Chevy Camaro is coming back as a production car, the Free Press has learned.
General Motors Corp. Chairman Rick Wagoner is expected to announce the resurrection of the legendary muscle car in a speech Thursday to an automotive conference in Traverse City.


The auto industry has been buzzing with speculation about GM's plans for the Camaro ever since the carmaker wowed the crowds at the 2006 North American International Auto Show in January with a stunning 400-horsepower concept. At a time when truck and SUV sales are softening and car sales are regaining momentum, a sexy new entry could give GM's entire passenger-car line a boost.


The production version could be built as early as 2008 and will offer three engines, a V-6 and two V-8s, according to people familiar with the plans.
GM spokesman Steve Harris would not comment Friday on plans for the Camaro, but other sources told the Free Press that GM's top management and board of directors have green-lighted the car.


The Camaro was introduced in 1966 as the answer to the Ford Mustang, and it prowled America's streets and drag strips until production ended in 2002.
Like the concept, the production Camaro will be based on GM's new Zeta global architecture for rear-wheel-drive cars, expected to form the basis for several big, powerful sedans and coupes to be introduced over the next few years.


It was unclear last week where GM intends to build the Camaro. Speculation in the automotive press has centered on assembly plants in Oshawa, Ontario, and Wilmington, Del.


Other unanswered questions are sure to keep the buzz going even after Wagoner's announcement:


How many people will buy a Camaro in the age of $3.15-per-gallon gasoline?


What will it cost?


And what about bringing back the Pontiac Firebird/TransAm?


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...=2006608060568
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Sweet deal. I guess we all know it's gonna be built. However, it's not really a done deal until we hear it from GM themselves. If they announce anything this week, that'll be plenty cool for now. And to answer the columnists question regarding who would pay for a car w/ gas prices like that???...uh...I think we all would!
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Old 08-06-2006, 11:06 AM   #3
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Camaro to get "green light" this week?

Excellent news, I just hope the article is accurate
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Old 08-06-2006, 07:50 PM   #4
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just saw that

"The production version could be built as early as 2008 and will offer three engines, a V-6 and two V-8s, according to people familiar with the plans."

base, SS, ZO6 mabye
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Old 08-07-2006, 05:20 AM   #5
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wooohooo!!! Can't wait until Thursday!
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:25 AM   #6
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Well with three engine choices, how does this sound. The "RS" with the V-6; the Z-28 with the 400HP LS2; and the "SS" with the 430HP LS3. And some wonderful dealer...ahem Yenko to stuff an LS7 into it.
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:27 AM   #7
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I don't think it will be base ss and zo6 come on what the most famous model of camaro the z/28 count on base z/28 and ss
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Old 08-07-2006, 12:05 PM   #8
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Well with three engine choices, how does this sound. The "RS" with the V-6; the Z-28 with the 400HP LS2; and the "SS" with the 430HP LS3. And some wonderful dealer...ahem Yenko to stuff an LS7 into it.
Sounds like something I'd like to hear. But I'd go one step further and make sure the SS engine had plenty more hp than the Z-28. Just stuff the LS7 in the SS and call it a day. That'll be the one for me!
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:04 PM   #9
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From what I've gathered, Z28 will be the TOP model Camaro.

Anyway, I can't WAIT for Thursday!!!
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:07 PM   #10
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The SS has to have more than 430, its got to compete with the GT500.

On a side note, Did anyone else see the Camaro in the GM commercial that aired during the “Go Fast Turn Left Race”? I did, it was sweet… The commercial really gets your blood pumping!
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:28 PM   #11
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If I had to guess, I'd look for the SS to be first, arriving with more HP than the Mustang GT, followed "down the road" by the Z28, which would go head to head with the Shelby and 425HP Challenger.
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Old 08-07-2006, 02:40 PM   #12
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Good news to hear. I just paid my 01 off last month. So now I can save up for one!
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:18 PM   #13
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car lineup

The SS will always be the top of the line production model, not withstanding special runs like the zl1 and any others, that hasn't been that frequent in camaros history. In more recent years (25 or so)the RS has just been a trim level, usually some side skirts and slight handling and performance upgrades (dual exhaust good for 5hp more or so thoug it wasen't noted on the specs) with same engine as the v6. I would love to have the option to apply the RS version(if it's any more attractive) to any higher end package like the first gen. I.E. RS/SS, RS/Z28 would love to see those badges again. Anyhow I'm sure the line up will be something like this give or take 20hp.

V6 coupe/RS 280hp
V8 z28 360
V8 SS 420

As far as Yenko/Copo it would be great to see that history revived but it's highly unlikely. Since Yenko is a dealer who just used the Copo loop whole to order high performance for his cars and trow some paint job on the car. Now for Copo Gm has gone away from having that much diversity in options, everything is in packages usually with 3 to 4 choices. So it's highly unlikely GM decides to add a zl1 or copo package (that really would not be a Copo because of the change in the process) initially I believe they will wait to see the reaction to the initial offerings. Again this is all speculation but if history can be a guide it should not be too far off. BTW Wikipedia has a very informative article on the history and it's relatively compact worth taking a look.
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:44 PM   #14
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FWIW, the Camaro Z28 was the "top tier" Camaro.

If I was a betting man, I'll bet you'll see the Z28 return atop the Camaro lineup.
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Old 08-07-2006, 05:12 PM   #15
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I have some questions that I haven't seen the answers to yet.

A: Will there be a racing stripe option (ala the 67-73 Camaro)
B: Will houndstooth interior be an option
C: If they are going to produce these cars for the 2008 model year, when will they be available for order or to purchase? (fall of '07 or fall of the next year?) The only reason I ask is becasue the 1970 Camaro was not available until winter of 1970, it didn't come out in the fall......
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Old 08-07-2006, 05:17 PM   #16
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I want one so bad I started saving for this car in 03 in a special fund.
I will be on the list of preorders at nash chevrolet in Lawerenceville ,ga...
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FWIW, the Camaro Z28 was the "top tier" Camaro.

If I was a betting man, I'll bet you'll see the Z28 return atop the Camaro lineup.
You would loose that bet...

The SS has always been the top dog, excluding COPO vehicles back in the 60's and early 70's. 1967 to 1969 Z28 were all 302 cars. 67 to 69 SS models had the 350 and 396. 70 to 73 Z28 had the 350. 70 to 73 SS had the 350 and 396 (402). 1974 was the last year of the Z28 until 1977 when the Z28 was brought back. The Z28 has always been a entry level V8 sport coupe.
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:09 PM   #18
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I cant wait to get my hands on this great machine! This will be my first Camaro, I love my Chevelles, but there is something unmistakeably beautiful about this car. I own 2 mustangs, a 69, and 90conv, but I was raised a chevy man, and to finally be ordering my first new musclecar, sends chills down my spine. I have 3 posters, 1 of which I bribed from my local Chevrolet dealer a month ago, when I put my money down on the Camaro. Now I can get rid of the Mustangs and go back to my heritage proudly. Long live the NEW CAMARO. chevelleman6769@yahoo.com
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"C: If they are going to produce these cars for the 2008 model year, when will they be available for order or to purchase? (fall of '07 or fall of the next year?) The only reason I ask is becasue the 1970 Camaro was not available until winter of 1970, it didn't come out in the fall......"

That's because they had trouble and were late with the redesign so they had to release it that late. No one knows whats going to happen till it's closer. Lately when they release it that late they just attribute it to the next model year, no one want's to buy a brand new production model and a couple weeks later be last years model. Ie the traiblazer came out in jan feb 01 as a 2002 model.
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To the guy that said there will probably be a camaro Z06...There will never be a camaro Z06!!! It is a performance code for the vette...has been since like the 60s. The guy who said that the 67-69 302 Z28 was entry level..Yes the SS had larger engines...but the Z28 was by no means entry level, you could get a base level camaro with a 307 and I belive a 350. the 302s were screemers. ask anybody who had one. they had close to 7k redline, were used for racing and the Z28 code was for camaro what Z06 was for corvette. The SS was a different look/attitude. Its like the dodge daytonas of the 80's, you could get a little 4 banger with a turbo or a much larger V-6...they were both about the same speed espeacially the turbo 1 without the intercooler. Its the 80's/90's that blurred the origonal meaning to rally sport and super sport. you couldnt get a camaro that wasnt an Iroc z28 or RS from 88-92...and from 98-02 the ss was just an LS1 from the Z28 with ram air and slp exhaust.
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:52 PM   #21
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FWIW, the Camaro Z28 was the "top tier" Camaro.

If I was a betting man, I'll bet you'll see the Z28 return atop the Camaro lineup.
If I'm not mistaken the z28 was more powerful if not comparable than the SS only in the 1970-1972 model years, as far as before that the z/28 was only an option code for the regular camaro, with the same performance as noted before and it was still not an actual designated model till 70. Then after 1972 there were no more Camaro SS produced till 1996 after witch they took the 24 year rein over from the z28 as the top model in performance and price. Nothing against the z28 legendary performance but more people correctly associate the SS at the top performer. Sad that GM has practically ruined the SS name by branding everything with it as that models top performer. It should have been saved for only a select few, corvette,camaro,impala.
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"...and from 98-02 the ss was just an LS1 from the Z28 with ram air and slp exhaust." I beleive For some of those years the LT4 was offered as an SS option. I could be mistaken, but won't be the only year more than 1 engine was offered in the SS.
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:41 PM   #23
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Hi everyone!

New member here, so happy I finally found a forum to talk about specifically the 5th gen Camaro. Excellent!

I hope these rumours are true that come Thursday, Mr. Wagoner is going to make this dream a reality.

This is great news.
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To the guy that said there will probably be a camaro Z06...There will never be a camaro Z06!!! It is a performance code for the vette...has been since like the 60s. The guy who said that the 67-69 302 Z28 was entry level..Yes the SS had larger engines...but the Z28 was by no means entry level, you could get a base level camaro with a 307 and I belive a 350. the 302s were screemers. ask anybody who had one. they had close to 7k redline, were used for racing and the Z28 code was for camaro what Z06 was for corvette. The SS was a different look/attitude. Its like the dodge daytonas of the 80's, you could get a little 4 banger with a turbo or a much larger V-6...they were both about the same speed espeacially the turbo 1 without the intercooler. Its the 80's/90's that blurred the origonal meaning to rally sport and super sport. you couldnt get a camaro that wasnt an Iroc z28 or RS from 88-92...and from 98-02 the ss was just an LS1 from the Z28 with ram air and slp exhaust.
Your right , I should have stated it this way, “Excluding the 67 to 69 model years, the Z28 has always been a entry level V8 sport coupe”.

Yes the 302 was a screamer, high horse at high RPM’s, no torque. The combo worked well in the Trans Am circuit where cubic inch restrictions were a factor. As for the street, drag, and yes even road courses, the 350 and 396 would eat it for dinner. Lets not forget that these cars handle like dog crap unless traveling in a strait line. As for 77 on up, the Z28 was the only performance package available until 96, usually just a suspension upgrade, a v8, and some kind of interior and stripe package. Lets try not to remember the 80’s. Oh the mighty 305…
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I'm sure we'll get those answers on Thurs...I don't see why they couldn't offer up houndstooth. Cloth should be standard but it would be nice to see some options. Personally, I like the leather w/ orange stitching. Hope it's a nicer leather than before. GM should offer a stripe package. They did before on the 4th gens (usually RS, though). Who knows how they'll do the orders.

I doubt they will actually announce all of the options the car will have. They will probably just announce the production of the Camaro w/ the engine sizes and types, SS, Z28, etc. I'm curious to know if they are going to keep the independant rear suspension. I'd like to see how that rides.

Also, I think GM making the Z28 w/ the largest and fastest engine would just plain screw w/ everyones minds. People now know the Camaro SS to be the fastest. They'll keep it the same.
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