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Old 08-08-2006, 09:50 AM   #26
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Knowing that there won't be a model for sale for at least a year. I doubt that they will anounce performance specs, and give the competition a heads up, Lutz did say in january the ls2 concept car would be an SS type model but given the last 8 months of unpresidented overnight increase in hp in the auto industry who knows what could happen. It very well maybe a modified ls2 with even more horsepower or just a stock ls2. The best thing we can hope for is for the LS9 to be put in the vette as the optional upgrade and the c06 current engine to become the base. Then given recent history we might have a 505 at wheels 550 or so at the crank camaro ss or zl1. Don't expect it to be cheap do.
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:22 PM   #27
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I'm sure we'll get those answers on Thurs...I don't see why they couldn't offer up houndstooth.....GM should offer a stripe package. They did before on the 4th gens (usually RS, though). Who knows how they'll do the orders.

......I'm curious to know if they are going to keep the independant rear suspension. I'd like to see how that rides.

Also, I think GM making the Z28 w/ the largest and fastest engine would just plain screw w/ everyones minds. People now know the Camaro SS to be the fastest. They'll keep it the same.
I plan to save for a camaro also. I wanted to comment on what you talked about above.

1) They probably will offer a houndstooth seats.
2) I think it's safe to say Camaro will in no way shape or form have independent suspension in the back (unless camaro is intended to be priced like a GTO). too many V8 Camaro owners intend to completely destroy and anihilate every single drivetrain component located behind the transmission so it's a bad idea to sell them a car with IRS.
3) others should not argue about SS and Z28 models because GM will decide whats up with that.
4) The real question is what is being used for the FRONT suspension. Hopefully double wishbones and NOT struts. I don't know what that zeta or beta design uses.

5) others should be prepared for high marked up prices when these cars finally exist at dealerships. i will wait it out and get a convertible way after the market is saturated and the flaws from first production runs are fixed.
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:48 PM   #28
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Just my 2 cents, again, , but I say, lets just sit back and enjoy that fact that the Camaro is back!

I was in error re; which model is "top", and as stated previously, let GM decide how they'll "structure" the models, and "we" can start saving our money, while loking forward to enjoying the new Camaro.
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I plan to save for a camaro also. I wanted to comment on what you talked about above.

1) They probably will offer a houndstooth seats.
2) I think it's safe to say Camaro will in no way shape or form have independent suspension in the back (unless camaro is intended to be priced like a GTO). too many V8 Camaro owners intend to completely destroy and anihilate every single drivetrain component located behind the transmission so it's a bad idea to sell them a car with IRS.
3) others should not argue about SS and Z28 models because GM will decide whats up with that.
4) The real question is what is being used for the FRONT suspension. Hopefully double wishbones and NOT struts. I don't know what that zeta or beta design uses.

5) others should be prepared for high marked up prices when these cars finally exist at dealerships. i will wait it out and get a convertible way after the market is saturated and the flaws from first production runs are fixed.
As per your comments, thank you. I like the interaction.
And in response,
1. Good
2. I don't plan on anihilating every single drivetrain component although I will get on it from time to time (it's possible they can make it strong enough to handle the punishment and also keep the costs down---so they can top Ford and Dodge once again in another area.)
3. It's called discussion with opinion.
4. Does anyone have the answer to this question w/ those leaked blueprints?
5. I won't pay anything over a few hundred over cost (not msrp). Eventually someone will sell it to you. See my other discussion about the last three Camaros I purchased for $200 over cost from the same dealership and then the Sorento I bought for $100 over cost (same dealership). They will do it again to keep the customer coming back.
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As per your comments, thank you. I like the interaction.
And in response,
1. Good
2. I don't plan on anihilating every single drivetrain component although I will get on it from time to time (it's possible they can make it strong enough to handle the punishment and also keep the costs down---so they can top Ford and Dodge once again in another area.)
3. It's called discussion with opinion.
4. Does anyone have the answer to this question w/ those leaked blueprints?
5. I won't pay anything over a few hundred over cost (not msrp). Eventually someone will sell it to you. See my other discussion about the last three Camaros I purchased for $200 over cost from the same dealership and then the Sorento I bought for $100 over cost (same dealership). They will do it again to keep the customer coming back.


3. Absolutely right...

5. When you say you bought your last 3 Camaros at 200 dollars over cost are you adding in holdback?

Even if the car dealership sells you a vehicle at dealer cost or "invoice," they are still making money!

The factory gives them what is called "holdback" on each new vehicle sold. On a vehicle that stickers for say $30,000 the "holdback" could be as much as $800 to $900!

Now, don't get too excited just yet! Holdback is given to car dealers by the manufacturer, usually on a quarterly basis, to help them offset the high cost of financing inventory.

Rarely will a car dealer negotiate any part of the "holdback," nor should they. Afterall, we must allow the dealers to earn enough profit to keep them in business.

However, knowing this, don't be afraid to offer the dealer a couple of hundred over invoice. It's a good deal for you, and it's to the dealer's advantage to take such a deal.
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Old 08-08-2006, 03:58 PM   #31
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AutoWeek

Shortly after the Chevrolet Camaro concept hit the Detroit show floor to rave reviews, there was little doubt GM would eventually build the car. According to a newspaper report, the official announcement is now finally only days away.

The Detroit Free Press has reported that GM CEO Rick Wagoner will announce later this week at a conference in Traverse City, MI, that the Camaro concept will be built.

The Camaro concept is built the company’s Zeta rear-drive platform, which goes into production this summer in Australia.

This platform, with independent suspension all around (technically, the Camaro’s parts came from a Cadillac CTS) and robust parts for large and high-performance cars, was shelved for a while to save costs as GM struggled to bring its bottom line under control, but it is ready to go now.

With hardware in hand, the next phase of making a real-world Camaro happen has to do with finalizing a production design, developing a specification list that will generate the requisite sales numbers, setting up to stamp out body parts from sheetmetal. Vice chairman Bob Lutz says the magic number is 100,000 units, and others say that means a range of affordable pony cars.

The report goes on to say that the car will be built as early as 2008 and that a V6 will join two V8s as the powertrain offerings.

Stay tuned to AutoWeek for the official announcement from GM.
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Old 08-08-2006, 07:00 PM   #32
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5. Dealers have a rock bottom cost w/ "holdback" so they can at least make a profit, yes. Then, they have cost (what they tell us the vehicle cost them), and then the MSRP. I understand that their holdback could be that $800 to $900 you're talking about. No, I wasn't lucky enough to get into the holdback area as it would be nice to get the sweetest deal. I bought them at $200 over cost (what they tell us the vehicle cost them). I just hope they'll do it again when the new Camaro comes out!
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5. Dealers have a rock bottom cost w/ "holdback" so they can at least make a profit, yes. Then, they have cost (what they tell us the vehicle cost them), and then the MSRP. I understand that their holdback could be that $800 to $900 you're talking about. No, I wasn't lucky enough to get into the holdback area as it would be nice to get the sweetest deal. I bought them at $200 over cost (what they tell us the vehicle cost them). I just hope they'll do it again when the new Camaro comes out!
That would be nice, but I don't think it is going to happen. When the new Mustang was released its average life span on a dealer's lot was 30 minutes. I feel the same thing is going to happen with the Camaro. Dealers are not going to have to work to move it, the car is going to sell its self. Its going to be more like this:

"Take a number, when your number is called please step up to the counter with MSRP in hand. We accept checks and/or money orders, for those of you that qualify are F&I guy would be glad to help you, sorry no COD. If your number is called and you do not have MSRP in hand please step aside so a alternate can take your place. Thank you and have a nice day.”

If the car is released next fall I might wait a year to buy one. I was a service engineer for on of the “Big Three” so I have seen the good and bad of a newly released vehicle. It’s nice to be the first to have the new muscle on the block but after taking the vehicle back time and time again because all the bugs have not been worked out is very frustrating. Plus, it will be easier to barter with the dealer. On top of that, the next model year is always bigger and bader…

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Old 08-08-2006, 09:36 PM   #34
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Yeah, I could see the whole "take a #" thing happening. I have a sales manager there who knows me, so I might get lucky. If something goes wrong...yup...I'm screwed. 30 min? ouch... I just might have to go to the dealership out in the boonies who never gets any customers if my guys don't help me here. And...I know what you mean about waiting. I'm in no rush to purchase the first one, although I would love to be the first on the streets w/ the new muscle car. It's all about finances for me.
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Old 08-09-2006, 05:39 AM   #35
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I have some questions that I haven't seen the answers to yet.

A: Will there be a racing stripe option (ala the 67-73 Camaro)
B: Will houndstooth interior be an option
C: If they are going to produce these cars for the 2008 model year, when will they be available for order or to purchase? (fall of '07 or fall of the next year?) The only reason I ask is becasue the 1970 Camaro was not available until winter of 1970, it didn't come out in the fall......
I don't think the hounds tooth seats wil find their way into production. Like Bob Lutz said in the interview at the Detroit show, this car is a modern car with past Camaro styling cues. As Csaba Csere said in a Car and Driver video, a modern car with styling hints from the the past will last when all the "Retro" stuff gets old, i.e. PT Cruiser and VW Beetles. I think the SS wil be the top of the line, as all of the SS's are today( Impala SS, Avalanche SS, Tahoe/ Suburban SS and rumors of a Corvette SS). As for stripes, the computer images in this site with the stripes and SS396 hood stacks.. PERFECT!

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With all of the comments that have been posted as to what engines will be offered, has anyone heard whether or not the Zetta platform will come with an independant rear suspension. Would we all not agree that IRS as standard is worth paying a little extra for? I don't believe it should be reserved for the top end model only as it is on the Shelby Mustang.
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Old 08-09-2006, 06:10 AM   #37
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When I first saw the pics of the new Camaro both my girlfriend and I agreed. This will be the successor for our current Silverado SS. She will be driving the truck; I'll get the new Camaro. If they'll build a SS; it will be mine... That's for sure.

Overhere in Belgium, these cars are quite rare , currently only 3 SS's; where mine was first; almost 2 years ago.

So, I'm hoping with you guys for positive news. I'm really excited about the news, and after all; 2 SS's on the driveway shouldn't be that bad...

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With all of the comments that have been posted as to what engines will be offered, has anyone heard whether or not the Zetta platform will come with an independant rear suspension. Would we all not agree that IRS as standard is worth paying a little extra for? I don't believe it should be reserved for the top end model only as it is on the Shelby Mustang.
I'd pay a little extra for the IRS. I hear it is a completely different ride than solid axle. Hopefully they'll announce that tomorrow as well.
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With all of the comments that have been posted as to what engines will be offered, has anyone heard whether or not the Zetta platform will come with an independant rear suspension. Would we all not agree that IRS as standard is worth paying a little extra for? I don't believe it should be reserved for the top end model only as it is on the Shelby Mustang.
I just read a long article about the Zeta platform.
I didn't know it is so brand new. everything about it is at this link
http://www.vecommodore.com.au/18/

I think it is safe to say Camaro VERY likely will have IRS.
I don't think that platform is set up for any kind of solid axle.

This platform looks like it is supposed to compete directly with something like the platform used on the Chrysler (dodge) Charger (which has IRS and rear wheel drive).

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Seems a little strange

Has anyone actually looked at the lines of the "New" camaro? Looks a lot like the new mustang style..... Seems a little strange that GM decided to redo their camaro after Ford had already did theirs.
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Has anyone actually looked at the lines of the "New" camaro? Looks a lot like the new mustang style..... Seems a little strange that GM decided to redo their camaro after Ford had already did theirs.
New mustang being the current body style, or the one that will debut around the time the Camaro come out?

I really don't see any resemblence to the mustang at all IMO...
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So you can honestly say that they look completely different?
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So you can honestly say that they look completely different?

Ummm.....YES

The only similiarities are the long hood/short rear deck styling.
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So you can honestly say that they look completely different?
I wouldn't say they look COMPLETELY different. I mean both being pony cars they are going to share, as moose already said, the long hood and short deck similarities. But I would say the 5th gen has MANY more similarities to the 1st gen camaros than it does the Mustang.
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Ummm.....YES

The only similiarities are the long hood/short rear deck styling.
OK. Comparing the two more closely, I do see more similarities.

But as Casull said, I see more similiarities between the 5th Gen. and the 1st Gen. Camaro. But, whereas Ford has gone more "retro" with the current Mustang, Chevrolet has incorporated styling cues from the '69 w/o going full-on retro.

I've seen images of the "new" Mustang due out around 2010, and it looks very similar to the concept Camaro!

Styling aside, I will enjoy seeing these two go at it in the future.
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Nothing alike except for the short deck, long hood. All else different.
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OK. Comparing the two more closely, I do see more similarities.

But as Casull said, I see more similiarities between the 5th Gen. and the 1st Gen. Camaro. But, whereas Ford has gone more "retro" with the current Mustang, Chevrolet has incorporated styling cues from the '69 w/o going full-on retro.

I've seen images of the "new" Mustang due out around 2010, and it looks very similar to the concept Camaro!

Styling aside, I will enjoy seeing these two go at it in the future.
I've come across a few people that tell me 'it looks exactly like the Mustang'.

Similar, perhaps. But, then again, back in the 60's they were very similar also... (At least imo they were.)
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I'm currently looking at images of the two; exterior and interior. The few similiarities I see are:

Interior-wise, you could say the dashboard gauge layout appears similar; ie; separate gauge pods for the speedo and tach.

Exterior-wise, IMO, as I stated earlier, the only similiarity I see is the long hood/short rear deck.

Having seen both in person confirms my belief that they look entirely different.
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So you can honestly say that they look completely different?
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