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Old 08-07-2006, 07:09 PM   #18
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I cant wait to get my hands on this great machine! This will be my first Camaro, I love my Chevelles, but there is something unmistakeably beautiful about this car. I own 2 mustangs, a 69, and 90conv, but I was raised a chevy man, and to finally be ordering my first new musclecar, sends chills down my spine. I have 3 posters, 1 of which I bribed from my local Chevrolet dealer a month ago, when I put my money down on the Camaro. Now I can get rid of the Mustangs and go back to my heritage proudly. Long live the NEW CAMARO. chevelleman6769@yahoo.com
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:03 PM   #19
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"C: If they are going to produce these cars for the 2008 model year, when will they be available for order or to purchase? (fall of '07 or fall of the next year?) The only reason I ask is becasue the 1970 Camaro was not available until winter of 1970, it didn't come out in the fall......"

That's because they had trouble and were late with the redesign so they had to release it that late. No one knows whats going to happen till it's closer. Lately when they release it that late they just attribute it to the next model year, no one want's to buy a brand new production model and a couple weeks later be last years model. Ie the traiblazer came out in jan feb 01 as a 2002 model.
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:13 PM   #20
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To the guy that said there will probably be a camaro Z06...There will never be a camaro Z06!!! It is a performance code for the vette...has been since like the 60s. The guy who said that the 67-69 302 Z28 was entry level..Yes the SS had larger engines...but the Z28 was by no means entry level, you could get a base level camaro with a 307 and I belive a 350. the 302s were screemers. ask anybody who had one. they had close to 7k redline, were used for racing and the Z28 code was for camaro what Z06 was for corvette. The SS was a different look/attitude. Its like the dodge daytonas of the 80's, you could get a little 4 banger with a turbo or a much larger V-6...they were both about the same speed espeacially the turbo 1 without the intercooler. Its the 80's/90's that blurred the origonal meaning to rally sport and super sport. you couldnt get a camaro that wasnt an Iroc z28 or RS from 88-92...and from 98-02 the ss was just an LS1 from the Z28 with ram air and slp exhaust.
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:52 PM   #21
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FWIW, the Camaro Z28 was the "top tier" Camaro.

If I was a betting man, I'll bet you'll see the Z28 return atop the Camaro lineup.
If I'm not mistaken the z28 was more powerful if not comparable than the SS only in the 1970-1972 model years, as far as before that the z/28 was only an option code for the regular camaro, with the same performance as noted before and it was still not an actual designated model till 70. Then after 1972 there were no more Camaro SS produced till 1996 after witch they took the 24 year rein over from the z28 as the top model in performance and price. Nothing against the z28 legendary performance but more people correctly associate the SS at the top performer. Sad that GM has practically ruined the SS name by branding everything with it as that models top performer. It should have been saved for only a select few, corvette,camaro,impala.
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Old 08-07-2006, 10:25 PM   #22
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"...and from 98-02 the ss was just an LS1 from the Z28 with ram air and slp exhaust." I beleive For some of those years the LT4 was offered as an SS option. I could be mistaken, but won't be the only year more than 1 engine was offered in the SS.
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Old 08-07-2006, 10:41 PM   #23
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Hi everyone!

New member here, so happy I finally found a forum to talk about specifically the 5th gen Camaro. Excellent!

I hope these rumours are true that come Thursday, Mr. Wagoner is going to make this dream a reality.

This is great news.
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Old 08-07-2006, 10:55 PM   #24
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To the guy that said there will probably be a camaro Z06...There will never be a camaro Z06!!! It is a performance code for the vette...has been since like the 60s. The guy who said that the 67-69 302 Z28 was entry level..Yes the SS had larger engines...but the Z28 was by no means entry level, you could get a base level camaro with a 307 and I belive a 350. the 302s were screemers. ask anybody who had one. they had close to 7k redline, were used for racing and the Z28 code was for camaro what Z06 was for corvette. The SS was a different look/attitude. Its like the dodge daytonas of the 80's, you could get a little 4 banger with a turbo or a much larger V-6...they were both about the same speed espeacially the turbo 1 without the intercooler. Its the 80's/90's that blurred the origonal meaning to rally sport and super sport. you couldnt get a camaro that wasnt an Iroc z28 or RS from 88-92...and from 98-02 the ss was just an LS1 from the Z28 with ram air and slp exhaust.
Your right , I should have stated it this way, “Excluding the 67 to 69 model years, the Z28 has always been a entry level V8 sport coupe”.

Yes the 302 was a screamer, high horse at high RPM’s, no torque. The combo worked well in the Trans Am circuit where cubic inch restrictions were a factor. As for the street, drag, and yes even road courses, the 350 and 396 would eat it for dinner. Lets not forget that these cars handle like dog crap unless traveling in a strait line. As for 77 on up, the Z28 was the only performance package available until 96, usually just a suspension upgrade, a v8, and some kind of interior and stripe package. Lets try not to remember the 80’s. Oh the mighty 305…
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Old 08-08-2006, 02:05 AM   #25
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I'm sure we'll get those answers on Thurs...I don't see why they couldn't offer up houndstooth. Cloth should be standard but it would be nice to see some options. Personally, I like the leather w/ orange stitching. Hope it's a nicer leather than before. GM should offer a stripe package. They did before on the 4th gens (usually RS, though). Who knows how they'll do the orders.

I doubt they will actually announce all of the options the car will have. They will probably just announce the production of the Camaro w/ the engine sizes and types, SS, Z28, etc. I'm curious to know if they are going to keep the independant rear suspension. I'd like to see how that rides.

Also, I think GM making the Z28 w/ the largest and fastest engine would just plain screw w/ everyones minds. People now know the Camaro SS to be the fastest. They'll keep it the same.
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Knowing that there won't be a model for sale for at least a year. I doubt that they will anounce performance specs, and give the competition a heads up, Lutz did say in january the ls2 concept car would be an SS type model but given the last 8 months of unpresidented overnight increase in hp in the auto industry who knows what could happen. It very well maybe a modified ls2 with even more horsepower or just a stock ls2. The best thing we can hope for is for the LS9 to be put in the vette as the optional upgrade and the c06 current engine to become the base. Then given recent history we might have a 505 at wheels 550 or so at the crank camaro ss or zl1. Don't expect it to be cheap do.
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Old 08-08-2006, 01:22 PM   #27
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I'm sure we'll get those answers on Thurs...I don't see why they couldn't offer up houndstooth.....GM should offer a stripe package. They did before on the 4th gens (usually RS, though). Who knows how they'll do the orders.

......I'm curious to know if they are going to keep the independant rear suspension. I'd like to see how that rides.

Also, I think GM making the Z28 w/ the largest and fastest engine would just plain screw w/ everyones minds. People now know the Camaro SS to be the fastest. They'll keep it the same.
I plan to save for a camaro also. I wanted to comment on what you talked about above.

1) They probably will offer a houndstooth seats.
2) I think it's safe to say Camaro will in no way shape or form have independent suspension in the back (unless camaro is intended to be priced like a GTO). too many V8 Camaro owners intend to completely destroy and anihilate every single drivetrain component located behind the transmission so it's a bad idea to sell them a car with IRS.
3) others should not argue about SS and Z28 models because GM will decide whats up with that.
4) The real question is what is being used for the FRONT suspension. Hopefully double wishbones and NOT struts. I don't know what that zeta or beta design uses.

5) others should be prepared for high marked up prices when these cars finally exist at dealerships. i will wait it out and get a convertible way after the market is saturated and the flaws from first production runs are fixed.
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Old 08-08-2006, 01:48 PM   #28
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Just my 2 cents, again, , but I say, lets just sit back and enjoy that fact that the Camaro is back!

I was in error re; which model is "top", and as stated previously, let GM decide how they'll "structure" the models, and "we" can start saving our money, while loking forward to enjoying the new Camaro.
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I plan to save for a camaro also. I wanted to comment on what you talked about above.

1) They probably will offer a houndstooth seats.
2) I think it's safe to say Camaro will in no way shape or form have independent suspension in the back (unless camaro is intended to be priced like a GTO). too many V8 Camaro owners intend to completely destroy and anihilate every single drivetrain component located behind the transmission so it's a bad idea to sell them a car with IRS.
3) others should not argue about SS and Z28 models because GM will decide whats up with that.
4) The real question is what is being used for the FRONT suspension. Hopefully double wishbones and NOT struts. I don't know what that zeta or beta design uses.

5) others should be prepared for high marked up prices when these cars finally exist at dealerships. i will wait it out and get a convertible way after the market is saturated and the flaws from first production runs are fixed.
As per your comments, thank you. I like the interaction.
And in response,
1. Good
2. I don't plan on anihilating every single drivetrain component although I will get on it from time to time (it's possible they can make it strong enough to handle the punishment and also keep the costs down---so they can top Ford and Dodge once again in another area.)
3. It's called discussion with opinion.
4. Does anyone have the answer to this question w/ those leaked blueprints?
5. I won't pay anything over a few hundred over cost (not msrp). Eventually someone will sell it to you. See my other discussion about the last three Camaros I purchased for $200 over cost from the same dealership and then the Sorento I bought for $100 over cost (same dealership). They will do it again to keep the customer coming back.
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As per your comments, thank you. I like the interaction.
And in response,
1. Good
2. I don't plan on anihilating every single drivetrain component although I will get on it from time to time (it's possible they can make it strong enough to handle the punishment and also keep the costs down---so they can top Ford and Dodge once again in another area.)
3. It's called discussion with opinion.
4. Does anyone have the answer to this question w/ those leaked blueprints?
5. I won't pay anything over a few hundred over cost (not msrp). Eventually someone will sell it to you. See my other discussion about the last three Camaros I purchased for $200 over cost from the same dealership and then the Sorento I bought for $100 over cost (same dealership). They will do it again to keep the customer coming back.


3. Absolutely right...

5. When you say you bought your last 3 Camaros at 200 dollars over cost are you adding in holdback?

Even if the car dealership sells you a vehicle at dealer cost or "invoice," they are still making money!

The factory gives them what is called "holdback" on each new vehicle sold. On a vehicle that stickers for say $30,000 the "holdback" could be as much as $800 to $900!

Now, don't get too excited just yet! Holdback is given to car dealers by the manufacturer, usually on a quarterly basis, to help them offset the high cost of financing inventory.

Rarely will a car dealer negotiate any part of the "holdback," nor should they. Afterall, we must allow the dealers to earn enough profit to keep them in business.

However, knowing this, don't be afraid to offer the dealer a couple of hundred over invoice. It's a good deal for you, and it's to the dealer's advantage to take such a deal.
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AutoWeek

Shortly after the Chevrolet Camaro concept hit the Detroit show floor to rave reviews, there was little doubt GM would eventually build the car. According to a newspaper report, the official announcement is now finally only days away.

The Detroit Free Press has reported that GM CEO Rick Wagoner will announce later this week at a conference in Traverse City, MI, that the Camaro concept will be built.

The Camaro concept is built the company’s Zeta rear-drive platform, which goes into production this summer in Australia.

This platform, with independent suspension all around (technically, the Camaro’s parts came from a Cadillac CTS) and robust parts for large and high-performance cars, was shelved for a while to save costs as GM struggled to bring its bottom line under control, but it is ready to go now.

With hardware in hand, the next phase of making a real-world Camaro happen has to do with finalizing a production design, developing a specification list that will generate the requisite sales numbers, setting up to stamp out body parts from sheetmetal. Vice chairman Bob Lutz says the magic number is 100,000 units, and others say that means a range of affordable pony cars.

The report goes on to say that the car will be built as early as 2008 and that a V6 will join two V8s as the powertrain offerings.

Stay tuned to AutoWeek for the official announcement from GM.
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5. Dealers have a rock bottom cost w/ "holdback" so they can at least make a profit, yes. Then, they have cost (what they tell us the vehicle cost them), and then the MSRP. I understand that their holdback could be that $800 to $900 you're talking about. No, I wasn't lucky enough to get into the holdback area as it would be nice to get the sweetest deal. I bought them at $200 over cost (what they tell us the vehicle cost them). I just hope they'll do it again when the new Camaro comes out!
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5. Dealers have a rock bottom cost w/ "holdback" so they can at least make a profit, yes. Then, they have cost (what they tell us the vehicle cost them), and then the MSRP. I understand that their holdback could be that $800 to $900 you're talking about. No, I wasn't lucky enough to get into the holdback area as it would be nice to get the sweetest deal. I bought them at $200 over cost (what they tell us the vehicle cost them). I just hope they'll do it again when the new Camaro comes out!
That would be nice, but I don't think it is going to happen. When the new Mustang was released its average life span on a dealer's lot was 30 minutes. I feel the same thing is going to happen with the Camaro. Dealers are not going to have to work to move it, the car is going to sell its self. Its going to be more like this:

"Take a number, when your number is called please step up to the counter with MSRP in hand. We accept checks and/or money orders, for those of you that qualify are F&I guy would be glad to help you, sorry no COD. If your number is called and you do not have MSRP in hand please step aside so a alternate can take your place. Thank you and have a nice day.”

If the car is released next fall I might wait a year to buy one. I was a service engineer for on of the “Big Three” so I have seen the good and bad of a newly released vehicle. It’s nice to be the first to have the new muscle on the block but after taking the vehicle back time and time again because all the bugs have not been worked out is very frustrating. Plus, it will be easier to barter with the dealer. On top of that, the next model year is always bigger and bader…

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Yeah, I could see the whole "take a #" thing happening. I have a sales manager there who knows me, so I might get lucky. If something goes wrong...yup...I'm screwed. 30 min? ouch... I just might have to go to the dealership out in the boonies who never gets any customers if my guys don't help me here. And...I know what you mean about waiting. I'm in no rush to purchase the first one, although I would love to be the first on the streets w/ the new muscle car. It's all about finances for me.
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