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Old 10-10-2008, 11:50 PM   #26
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With those kind of numbers - 100,000 units in a first year run sounds unlikely. Wasn't 100,000 GM's projection for year one?
GM may be deliberately underestimating SS allocation. That way, it gives GM the opportunity to send V8s to wherever they are ordered. We all know that allocation isn't set in stone. It depends on how many are ordered and how many are getting picked up on the lot. If GM keeps the V8 allocation numbers low, customers who really want V8s will order V8s. GM doesn't have to send as many randomly to dealerships because people will order them specifically. It's a brilliant strategy because it allows GM to flood lots with lucrative V6s while building V8s for those who really want them. Plenty of V8s will be on lots anyway, but so many people will want a V8 Camaro that they will go into the dealer for a special order, artificially increasing allocation.
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Old 10-11-2008, 03:06 AM   #27
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Is the allocation the amount they will be able to order and get when the Camaro comes out in March? Reason I ask is that I was told sometime back that the allocation will be spread out over the 1st 6 months so if your dealer gets 25 cars and you are #21 then it will be Aug or Sept before they actually order your car.
I have been wondering the same thing. My dealer told me today your fine, just come in next week and place your deposit. But it seems to me, getting my order into the system hours before the other guy might translate into weeks earlier when the car arrives? Is it going to be a mad dash on Monday to get orders in as soon as possible so the I can get delivery in March? If my dealer has an allotment of 21, do I need to be in the 1st 4 or so to get in the 1st 30 -45 days of deliveries? Thoughts?
One other problem I have is Iím still in between a couple different colors/ strip combinations. Can I place the order now and firm that part up later?
Thoughts anyone?
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Old 10-11-2008, 09:04 AM   #28
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I have been wondering the same thing. My dealer told me today your fine, just come in next week and place your deposit. But it seems to me, getting my order into the system hours before the other guy might translate into weeks earlier when the car arrives? Is it going to be a mad dash on Monday to get orders in as soon as possible so the I can get delivery in March? If my dealer has an allotment of 21, do I need to be in the 1st 4 or so to get in the 1st 30 -45 days of deliveries? Thoughts?
One other problem I have is Iím still in between a couple different colors/ strip combinations. Can I place the order now and firm that part up later?
Thoughts anyone?
That answer is YES. Keep in mind I base my opinion in what I read here and on other Camaro forums. You can change your order right up until December when the final production requisitions are given to the assembly line. Do you have to be at your dealer's with coffee at 4am on Monday? Probably not. If you already have a "waiting line" spot at your dealer, that's how he/she is going to enter the orders anyways.

I WOULD GUESS that even though a dealer with a 2 car allocation places his pre-order at 9:01 am, if I was 1st on the list at my dealer who's getting 63 and my pre-order was placed at 4:59 pm, ultimately my actual order will be built first. Remember these are pre-orders; how and when Chevy prioritizes them is up to Chevy. In addition, I would think that the pre-order system will also give Chevy the opportunity to shift the 2nd production run towards the "smaller allocation" dealerships that actually got many more than expected pre-orders. My expectation is that orders will be filled faster than expected; I understand why Chevy wouldn't want to give you a delivery date and miss it. These numbers have to be conservative.
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Old 10-11-2008, 12:18 PM   #29
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I really hope that the dealer's allocation is not based on 2002 models sold. My Chevy dealer wasn't around then, but is the first new Chevy dealer to open in the Dallas area in 17 years. They've been around for about 5 years, and are a decent sized dealer. I've shot an email to my sales rep to figure out what their allocation would be.

I put down my deposit on Thursday, and I should be one of the first he enters in on Monday.
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I really hope that the dealer's allocation is not based on 2002 models sold. My Chevy dealer wasn't around then, but is the first new Chevy dealer to open in the Dallas area in 17 years. They've been around for about 5 years, and are a decent sized dealer. I've shot an email to my sales rep to figure out what their allocation would be.

I put down my deposit on Thursday, and I should be one of the first he enters in on Monday.
No, it is not based on anything from 2002. However, it is based on their sales as a percentage of total nationally...

From Fbodfather...

"Allocation is 'conservative' -- that's because we have a slow 'ramp up' of production because quality is our number one concern.......we MUST get it right -- and if the ramp up proceeds as it did with Malibu and the C6, I think you'll see allocation numbers rise the next round -- it could also mean that the next round of allocation comes sooner than expected!

Allocation is based 70% on dealer's total retail sales as a percent to the nation == and 30% of Sport Segment registrations as a percent to the nation......

.........which essentially means that we're looking at two things: A dealer's historic sales rate -- AND -- we're looking at the area of his/her responsibility to see what the propensity is for people to buy Sport Cars (Mustang/Eclipse/G35, Tiburon, etc) --so that we also look at the market..................so if you're a dealer in an area where virtually no one buys a Mustang or Eclipse or such -- it's gonna impact your allocation........on the other hand, if you're a dealer in an area where a lot of Mustangs and Eclipses are registered, your number is going to be higher."
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I'm not having much luck. Sales people seem to be in the dark big time about this. Went yesterday and sat down with a dealer, had all the options worked out and she called this morning telling me the deposit will now be 5K instead of the 3K she quoted me yesterday, and basically I'll simply have the first right of refusal if its not what I want when it comes in. Got a reply back from another just a few minutes ago:

Hi Rick, our Inventory Manager is off on Saturdays. I will not know our # of allocations till Monday. Ordering is open to legitimate sold orders Monday. We do require and have deposits on the Camaro on a first right of refusal. Since we do not know pricing, refunds are redeemable.

When you order a vehicle, option changes can be made within a few days. This does not mean that the factory will accept the change order and if it does it may push the production date back.

My Inventory Manager is going to set the selling price Monday when we learn more about our allocation and the number to be built. This being a new vehicle in the market, GMS, GMM AND GSU are not going to apply at this time.
I will call you Monday as I learn more details.
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I'm not having much luck. Sales people seem to be in the dark big time about this. Went yesterday and sat down with a dealer, had all the options worked out and she called this morning telling me the deposit will now be 5K instead of the 3K she quoted me yesterday, and basically I'll simply have the first right of refusal if its not what I want when it comes in. Got a reply back from another just a few minutes ago:

Hi Rick, our Inventory Manager is off on Saturdays. I will not know our # of allocations till Monday. Ordering is open to legitimate sold orders Monday. We do require and have deposits on the Camaro on a first right of refusal. Since we do not know pricing, refunds are redeemable.

When you order a vehicle, option changes can be made within a few days. This does not mean that the factory will accept the change order and if it does it may push the production date back.

My Inventory Manager is going to set the selling price Monday when we learn more about our allocation and the number to be built. This being a new vehicle in the market, GMS, GMM AND GSU are not going to apply at this time.
I will call you Monday as I learn more details.
She is BSing you. She can find out RIGHT NOW what her allocation is. Pricing (selling price) not yet set from the dealer? Find another dealer my friend.
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Old 10-11-2008, 02:32 PM   #33
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I'm not having much luck. ...
What dealer is it? Are they on the "watch list" sticky here for dealer gouging?
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Old 10-11-2008, 02:42 PM   #34
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I'm not having much luck. Sales people seem to be in the dark big time about this. Went yesterday and sat down with a dealer, had all the options worked out and she called this morning telling me the deposit will now be 5K instead of the 3K she quoted me yesterday, and basically I'll simply have the first right of refusal if its not what I want when it comes in. Got a reply back from another just a few minutes ago:

Hi Rick, our Inventory Manager is off on Saturdays. I will not know our # of allocations till Monday. Ordering is open to legitimate sold orders Monday. We do require and have deposits on the Camaro on a first right of refusal. Since we do not know pricing, refunds are redeemable.

When you order a vehicle, option changes can be made within a few days. This does not mean that the factory will accept the change order and if it does it may push the production date back.

My Inventory Manager is going to set the selling price Monday when we learn more about our allocation and the number to be built. This being a new vehicle in the market, GMS, GMM AND GSU are not going to apply at this time.
I will call you Monday as I learn more details.
I have my thoughts on this one. If I were you, I would be telling someone where to go. I would not walk bt run to another dealer. 5K is way out of line. Use your money for 5 months, interest free?
I know I am older than you, retired, but have a great dealer, have bought many cars there and will order Monday like I always do, on a handshake.
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:31 PM   #37
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IMPORTANT INFORMATION (from the GM release):

"If sold orders are not submitted during this early ordering period, is there a risk the production guide (number allocated to the dealer) will be lost?

No. The production guide is not dependent upon the number of sold orders submitted. In fact, dealers can opt not to submit any customersí orders during this period, and submit stock orders during the traditional order submission periods."

WHAT THIS MEANS: If a dealer would rather order Camaros for stock and then hold them in his showroom for ransom to the highest bidder once production starts, the dealer cannot submit the orders on October 13th. But the dealer will have other opportunities before production starts to place orders for dealer stock, up to the number allocated to the dealer. Dealers looking to price gouge over sticker like this option, since it will get them unsold Camaros in their showroom when other dealers don't have any. This allows them to charge thousands over sticker to people with money who didn't pre-order but "want it now".

"If bona fide sold customer orders are submitted in excess of the production guide number, will additional shipments be provided to cover these orders?

No. The goal of the production guide was to provide a preview of expected estimated shipments. The option of submitting orders in excess of the assigned production guide number is solely that of the dealer. Future allocation will be based on a fair and equitable equation, not on the number of sold orders submitted to GM."

WHAT THIS MEANS: Each dealer is only going to be able to order the number of Camaros allocated to his dealership. If a dealer takes more deposits than his number of allocations, GM will not honor any of the excess orders until that dealer receives additional allocations. Furthermore, GM will not take into account how many excess orders a dealer has when they release future additional allocations. If a dealer only has 4 allocated to start (intended to cover through the 3rd quarter of 2009) and takes 20 deposits, GM will ignore his 16 excess orders when computing the next allocations (for the balance of 2009) and may only allocate another 4 to that dealer, leaving the dealer with 12 customers waiting for Camaros the dealer can't even order from GM during the entire calendar year of 2009.

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With those kind of allocation numbers 100,000 units in a first year run sounds unlikely. Wasn't 100,000 GM's projection for year one?
Fbodfather has mentioned that there are about 4000 Chevrolet dealers. And I have read several places that annual production was hoped for between 80,000 and 100,000 Camaros. 100,000 annual amounts to an average of only 25 cars per year per dealer. Since the initial allocations only cover through the third quarter of 2009 and it is almost certain that initial production will not be at full capacity as quality is checked and production ramps up, it would be optimistic to guess at 40,000 total Camaros allocated through the third quarter, which is only an average of 10 cars per dealer. And if there are indeed a few dealers getting over 60 cars allocated, then there have to be many dealers with single digit allocations and quite possibly several dealers with little or no allocations whatsoever.
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Old 10-11-2008, 10:11 PM   #39
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This allocation news is good news for my area.

We've got two or three HUGE Chevy dealerships around here, one Chevy dealer in an "automall" complex thing...and I see lots of 350z's, Mustang's, Cobalt SS's, etc....very good news.
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I have my thoughts on this one. If I were you, I would be telling someone where to go. I would not walk bt run to another dealer. 5K is way out of line. Use your money for 5 months, interest free?
I know I am older than you, retired, but have a great dealer, have bought many cars there and will order Monday like I always do, on a handshake.
Here's another fine example of salesmen ship, its hard to believe they are so unaware of the facts behind this car.Had to say no thanks again...

Rick, this is Derek Montalvo from Mike Van Chevrolet in Bay Minette, Al. I am contacting you regarding your interest in the all new Camaro. We are currently taking orders for the new Camaro. The deposit is NON REFUNDABLE. I would be happy to get one for you. We won't actually get any unsold Camaros until about mid January. Most Dealerships are advertising that the Camaros will be going for about 10-15k over sticker the first few months they come out.
Mike Van Chevrolet will not be selling them for near that price.
We will be selling them for right around MSRP. Nothing under. Most Camaros ordered will have been pre-sold before they arrive.
Just let me know what type of options you would prefer on your Camaro and I will be happy to get exactly what you want. There will not be too much room to move on price on this new Camaro.
Yet we are not trying to make a 10-15k profit either,! like some dealerships.
Our service department is also the best in Alabama! So you will be happy after the sale also!


If you would like a price or would like to get pre-approved on one of these vehicles you can contact me by email or phone.
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Dear Ricky:

Welcome to Terry Thompson Chevrolet. My name is Jennifer Allen. I am the GM Certified Internet Manager at Terry Thompson Chevrolet, and I want to thank you for your interest in the N/a.
We are taking pre-sold orders for the Camero 2010 V6 model. We require a $500 deposit that is refundable. We honor the GMS discount on all of our eligible vehicles, but unfortunately the Camero 2010 is not on that list. Please feel free to call me with any further questions you may have about our process or the Camero 2010! Hope to meet with you soon. Have a great weekend!


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Dear Ricky:

Welcome to Terry Thompson Chevrolet. My name is Jennifer Allen. I am the GM Certified Internet Manager at Terry Thompson Chevrolet, and I want to thank you for your interest in the N/a.
We are taking pre-sold orders for the Camero 2010 V6 model. We require a $500 deposit that is refundable. We honor the GMS discount on all of our eligible vehicles, but unfortunately the Camero 2010 is not on that list. Please feel free to call me with any further questions you may have about our process or the Camero 2010! Hope to meet with you soon. Have a great weekend!


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Wow, you got a mess. You're going to call someone who can't even spell the car name and trust what they write? And I love that you're expressing interest in the "N/a". Good luck.
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