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Old 10-11-2008, 05:52 AM   #18
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Thankyou for commenting on this subject. BTW, I know I wrote Dealer “would not” but actually I meant he said he “could not” go below MSRP per GM. I did get him to agree (on the phone at least) if allocations change then things are open for discussion. He said a deposit is refundable. I think the smart move is to make a deposit and place an order. Some where I will have to sign on the dotted line and I may notate “as per your instruction that GM will not allow above MSRP sales for this allocation”. If there is some place I can include this, I can use it as a bargaining chip later perhaps ? thoughts? Perhaps as things get closer to delivery, things will ease up and they can work more on price (or from recent rumors, maybe Chrysler will be calling the shots by then hehe....just kidding, I sure hope not) . I suppose when the time comes , show them the antitrust laws (but I don’t want them to say, ok, we will give your slot to someone else. Its going to be a delicately played out deal with the almighty dealer I suppose.
honestly, you're in VA and Tom Henry Chevy is in Bakerstown, PA... skip dealing with the hassel of your dealership and call Tom Henry... he will hook you up with what you want and he will have the allocation to get you a car... call your local dealership and tell them that you were guaranteed MSRP at another dealership and you're taking your business somewhere else unless they guarantee you the same thing... bring up that you know there are anti-trust laws in the US that stop GM from being able to dictate what a car is sold at... if they still stiff arm you, walk... you'll be better off... and if you order from Tom Henry, you'll have about a 5 hour or less drive home to get used to the car.

that or get in touch with CamaroScotty and have him drop ship it to that dealership so your local dealership has to watch you take possession of a car that they could have sold you... lol
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:59 AM   #19
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GM has no ability to tell the dealerships how to sell cars. All they can do is set the MSRP(Manufacturer SUGGESTED Retail Price). The dealer your so "in" with is lying to you.

A dealer can sell a car for $1.00, they will just be taking a large loss. The dealer could also sell the same car for $1,000,000.00. AND GM could do absolutly ZERO about it.

GM sells the cars to a dealer. The dealer in turn sells them to us.
Actually, most dealers don't own the cars. They just have them floorplanned through GMAC and just pay interest on them until sold.
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Old 10-11-2008, 11:46 AM   #20
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Was at my Chevy Dealer again last night working the sales manager to hopefully work with me on pricing when ordering opens up.
He said once he gets his allotment he would be better able to deal with me. I just got off the phone with him and he says his allotment for the 1st model run year is 21.
HE further says MSRP is the lowest they would go, and it was not up to them, it was a decision by GM.
I thought I’d throw this out to you all for comment. I can understand if he’s only getting in 21 for the whole year, why they might not discount (they have an arrangement with COSTO for special member pricing BTW) , but I was surprised to hear them say this was a decision by GM? Does GM have such control over the dealers?

I’d been popping my head in routinely building a relationship, and they claim to be the largest in the Washington DC region, with the largest corvette sales for an even larger area.
Should I go in and plop down a deposit? Is this the best I might hope for?
Well, now you know you dealer is not an honest dealer…
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Old 10-11-2008, 12:09 PM   #21
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What others have said is correct MSRP is just that a suggested retail price, By Law they cannot tell what a car can be sold for but they can charge the dealer a set price per car they sell..now if GM charges the dealer the MSRP price for the car then the dealer would not go below that price or he would actually lose money. A lot has to do with how much a dealer actually pays GM for a car, The number of sales is a major factor, the more volume he does the less per car he pays and a honest dealer will sell the cars for less because he makes it up on the number he sells. where a smaller dealer will have to stick closer to MSRP just to make money, because he pays more per car.
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Old 10-11-2008, 12:50 PM   #22
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thye said the same thing about the gtr and challenger...yea they cant control the dealers....not gonna happen.
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:32 PM   #23
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Im cool with MSRP on a functional scoop equipted Z28!
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Old 10-12-2008, 12:00 AM   #24
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O.K. the same thing happened with the 05 Mustang when it came out. the dealers marked all the GT above MSRP and the V6's you could get for MSRP. The dealers are suffing in this falling market. So, yeah their going to mark up the car as much as they can. Because if you don't buy it someone else will. Hopefully they will take the pre-orders at MSRP and mark up the "instock" cars.

I have a deal through my company to get GM cars/trucks for a discount. But, I think I'm still going to have to pay MSRP.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that "yes, the dealers are going to price slap. Call around and haggle them down and if they won't bend go somewhere else. this is going to be a full production car. Be patient everyone will be getting their camaro. Hell, if you wait long enough you might get the color and trim you wanted.
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My deal is in writing and its below MSRP.
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Old 10-13-2008, 03:54 AM   #26
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Was at my Chevy Dealer again last night working the sales manager to hopefully work with me on pricing when ordering opens up.
He said once he gets his allotment he would be better able to deal with me. I just got off the phone with him and he says his allotment for the 1st model run year is 21.
HE further says MSRP is the lowest they would go, and it was not up to them, it was a decision by GM.
I thought I’d throw this out to you all for comment. I can understand if he’s only getting in 21 for the whole year, why they might not discount (they have an arrangement with COSTO for special member pricing BTW) , but I was surprised to hear them say this was a decision by GM? Does GM have such control over the dealers?

I’d been popping my head in routinely building a relationship, and they claim to be the largest in the Washington DC region, with the largest corvette sales for an even larger area.
Should I go in and plop down a deposit? Is this the best I might hope for?

Please send me a Private Message with this dealer's name and WHO it was that told you this.

He's not telling you the truth - because it is ILLEGAL for us to fix pricing.......
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:36 AM   #27
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Please send me a Private Message with this dealer's name and WHO it was that told you this.

He's not telling you the truth - because it is ILLEGAL for us to fix pricing.......
In other words, this dealer's pants are on fire.

Fbodfather, I think I can speak for all of us when I thank you for being so involved in the Camaro even when it is about to hit the lots. We appreciate that you don't want any misconceptions coming from dealers.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:00 PM   #28
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Well, they have changed the story not GM, now management

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Please send me a Private Message with this dealer's name and WHO it was that told you this.

He's not telling you the truth - because it is ILLEGAL for us to fix pricing.......

In other words, this dealer's pants are on fire.

Fbodfather, I think I can speak for all of us when I thank you for being so involved in the Camaro even when it is about to hit the lots. We appreciate that you don't want any misconceptions coming from dealers.
Well, they have changed the story. I was with the sales manager and the sales guy this morning and I asked with both of them present “what’s with this GM will not allow below MSRP deal” and the sales manager quickly chimed up, no that’s our decision. I replied well Russell (the sales guy) , said you had said it was GMs decision and it was out of your hands . And Russell chimed in , well, I meant to say it came well above Brian’s head this decision (leaving one to believe they were now talking about the dealership ownership). So to make a long story short, I know what he said, but I did not get anything in writing, so it seems they have worked themselves out of that falsehood. Even though the sales guy has been there for a while, I try and go straight to the sales manager as I have yet to hear anything come from his mouth that I questioned. ( Hmmm makes me wonder should I place a deposit at 2 dealers, and when the time draws nearer, pit them against one another?, on the other hand some guys on the site seem to be quoting significant markups, should I just stay put and consider myself lucky?)
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:08 PM   #29
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Okay the lesson from the above story is always talk to the sales manager, the last thing a dealership wants is to piss GM off by accusing them of price fixing, that's slander. Salesmen quite often will say anything to defend their position, don't trust them.
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Old 10-13-2008, 02:09 PM   #30
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Okay the lesson from the above story is always talk to the sales manager, the last thing a dealership wants is to piss GM off by accusing them of price fixing, that's slander. Salesmen quite often will say anything to defend their position, don't trust them.
Point taken. I spoke to the dealership again. the sales guy says he was referring to the GM as their general manager that said no deals below MSRP. Everything else they have told me as been the straight scoop, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that it was a simple misunderstanding on how he phrased it.
Considering what some others are quoting from their dealers, I'm doing pretty good. Thanks everyone for the input.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:31 PM   #31
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Point taken. I spoke to the dealership again. the sales guy says he was referring to the GM as their general manager that said no deals below MSRP. Everything else they have told me as been the straight scoop, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that it was a simple misunderstanding on how he phrased it.
Considering what some others are quoting from their dealers, I'm doing pretty good. Thanks everyone for the input.

Oh.... ok; that's tricky. General Motors... General Manager... both = GM. Hopefully the sales guy will learn to say which is which from now on and stop confusing everyone!
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So I need to be a manager to gain credibility........OK, I'm going to go talk with the boss....
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So I need to be a manager to gain credibility........OK, I'm going to go talk with the boss....
Well; first of all, I'd sign that petition!

But aww, Scotty, no one on here means you... you're special, after all.

But sales persons at car dealerships like you are more rare than common; and it's unfortunate that it's so, but it is. You're the first car salesperson I've met who has a genuine interest in the welfare of their customers and the product they sell and isn't just worried about the money. You sell cars like I would-- by passion.

Not that I begrudge needing to feed their families, but I think if the money is all a salesperson sees it definitely shows itself in the way they handle themselves and their customers.

But anyways-- this isn't a thread about car salespeople, it's a thread about a misunderstanding now
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i don't understand how some people are getting this car for under msrp
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