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Old 11-01-2008, 09:05 PM   #18
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300 - 304 hp is great either way. I just wish the torque was pumped up a bit more. It would be great to have a V6 feel and perform very close to my LT1 V8.
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It should, actually...maybe not outright beat it, but "very close" as you said.



EDIT: I don't want to start a war, again...so I'll just say "V8>V6, etc, etc and all that jazz..."

to elaborate on this more from an LT1 owner, it will feel about the same when moving, but i dont think the lower torque of the v-6 will give you the same take off feeling as the LT1 does. but it could very well feel the same depending on the torque curve of the motor. thats one beneficial thing about the LT1, it makes torque at a low rpm and the stock torque converter engages at a low rpm as well so it plants you in your seat. I imagine that the V-6 will still do the same, but will have to be at a higher rpm to get the same torque
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I imagine that the V-6 will still do the same, but will have to be at a higher rpm to get the same torque
I'm curious, now that you mention that....

Have you ever had your car on a dyno? I'd be interested to see a power/torque map for the LT1.
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Old 11-01-2008, 09:37 PM   #20
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This car is geared much higher off the line then the 4th gen cars. A4's 1st is 3.06 vs A6's 4.07 or manuals 4.48. Rear end gears were as low as 2.73 up to 3.23(I don't remember if 3.42s came on V8s). 5th gen gets 3.27 unless you get a manual SS. People quickly forget what kind of huge mods gears and converter were on 4th gens. This car pretty much comes standard with huge gears off the line due to the steep 1st.
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When did I say that I was going with the 6? I'm a huge fan of that LLT motor, but I'm here for the Super Sport.
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I'm curious, now that you mention that....

Have you ever had your car on a dyno? I'd be interested to see a power/torque map for the LT1.
not since ive owned it, I was going to get it dyno'd but the trans took a isht on me 2 days before the dyno day we were having down here.

ive got one from when I first got the car from the previous owner tho, peak numbers were 423tq/411hp

but thats just a "little bit" of mods too...lol


as for an LT1 dyno, its about like this.... at about 1800-2200rpms, it kicks in and is relatively flat across the band.



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This car is geared much higher off the line then the 4th gen cars. A4's 1st is 3.06 vs A6's 4.07 or manuals 4.48. Rear end gears were as low as 2.73 up to 3.23(I don't remember if 3.42s came on V8s). 5th gen gets 3.27 unless you get a manual SS. People quickly forget what kind of huge mods gears and converter were on 4th gens. This car pretty much comes standard with huge gears off the line due to the steep 1st.
another good point. (and there were 3.42's on some of the manual 4th gens)
but something to keep in mind is that the rear ratio is now partially offset by the steeper 1st gear.

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When did I say that I was going with the 6? I'm a huge fan of that LLT motor, but I'm here for the Super Sport.
that LLT is one bad lil mofo. id like to have one to play with.... switch to ethanol, slap a couple turbos on that bistach and crank it up.

tho, im with you. I was debating a 6-banger, but after Dragon first posted his pics of Indy, I couldnt let myself settle for anything but an SS.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:44 PM   #25
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we should start a thread on ways to gain horsepower without voiding the warranty, would definitly be a great help, i want to be able to smoke some stock GTs
Yeah that would be great to know, as I don't really know much about engine modding. How much hp would it take to make up for the lower torque of the 6?
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Yeah that would be great to know, as I don't really know much about engine modding. How much hp would it take to make up for the lower torque of the 6?
not much really, the thing to keep in mind is not peak numbers. trailered dyno queens can keep their peak numbers, id rather have useable power under the curve.

what i mean by that, is that if it makes... say 275lb-ft at peak, but the torque curve is relativly flat at say 250lb-ft from 2500rpm up to say 6300rpm where the peak power is, then you are better off as it has more power under the curve to use at lower rpms instead of having to rev the crap out of the motor and only using the upper 2-3k rpm to move the car.
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^ah ok thanks CamaroSpike, so the max torque listed is just the torque at max rpm, and it varies as the rpm varies? And so for just regular driving it would be best to look at which car has the highest area under the torque/rpm curve?
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Yeah that would be great to know, as I don't really know much about engine modding. How much hp would it take to make up for the lower torque of the 6?
Another thing to keep in mind is that you can't increase horsepower without increasing torque, because torque is used to measure horsepower.
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To be specific, horsepower = (torque*RPM)/5280.

And the exhaust system used by D3 is a corsa cat back, not a full exhaust. And there was no tune involved (the box hasn't been cracked yet). As for the 0-60 and whatnot, I've never really trusted Road and Track, especially seeing how Car and driver did it faster in a stock CTS. That, and the CTS is heavier than the camaro and has smaller (235) tires.
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^ah ok thanks CamaroSpike, so the max torque listed is just the torque at max rpm, and it varies as the rpm varies? And so for just regular driving it would be best to look at which car has the highest area under the torque/rpm curve?
honestly, the more torque you can make down low is the best for a DD (gas mileage) as you dont have to spin the crap out of the motor to move the car. idealy if you can accelerat to cruise and stay under 2500rpms you are doing good.

i can tell you now that the v-6 will have plenty of useable torque under the curve. i still want to see a full dyno of the car/motor tho


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Another thing to keep in mind is that you can't increase horsepower without increasing torque, because torque is used to measure horsepower.

actually you can... but what it does is changes the rpms of things. for instance, ive seen long tube header installations that have actually lowered the torque of a car, but raised the hp and also raised the power band itself by a few hundred rpms. also seen where it raised both torque and hp with the same header install on a same year/model car.

hp, tq, rpm change any one of them and you change them all
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I guess I need to start being more detailed then lol.
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Whoever said 304 HP is basing that on the Caddy's HP, which isnt entirely accurate. The engine is not a clone. Motor Trend has built a reputation for knowing their stuff, and calling the BS, and they say 310. I guess we shall see though.
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I guess I need to start being more detailed then lol.
its all good. believe me, i dont know how many times ive posted something up then had to go thru about 30 posts to clarify what I was talking about


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Whoever said 304 HP is basing that on the Caddy's HP, which isnt entirely accurate. The engine is not a clone. Motor Trend has built a reputation for knowing their stuff, and calling the BS, and they say 310. I guess we shall see though.
good pt. tho I could still care less what the peak power is. I wanna see the dyno sheet.
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