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Old 04-27-2010, 06:50 PM   #1
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Finally Finished. 12 bolt replacement IRS for 2010 Camaro!

It is finally here! The ultimate 12 bolt irs for your 2010 camaro. This IRS center section will bolt up in place on your existing mounts. This unit will require a new driveshaft and new half shafts. Which you will need anyway if you are running the horsepower that requires this centersection! We are working with Moser as the supplier of the stubs and half shafts which should be available shortly. This makes 35 spline WaveTrack lockers, 40 Spline spools, Pro gears and all the gearing for a 12 bolt available for your 2010 Camaro!
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:19 PM   #3
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yeah sorry it took so long Mike. Having your car helped steer us in the right direction of doing the IRS. Just WAY too many issues with doing a solid axle conversion. Again, Many thanks to you!
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Wow !!

Now that looks like a solid piece.

I have to go make some phone calls...I have to see if certain external parts will work with this.

When is it actually available?

Please PM me for price.
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Wow !!

Now that looks like a solid piece.

I have to go make some phone calls...I have to see if certain external parts will work with this.

When is it actually available?

Please PM me for price.
Calm down buddy.... breathe....

Nice work
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:03 PM   #7
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That looks awesome! Looks like it is pretty hefty too. Does anyone know the weight of the old unit and what yours weighs? Just curious. Can't get any more bullet proof than a 12 bolt.

That's aftermarket innovation!
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It looks like a very strong piece...
Why not have made it work with the already available aftermarket axles??

I think you would have sold more if you did that. I am sure with all the fab work going on you could make that adaptation.
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:30 PM   #10
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Calm down buddy.... breathe....

Nice work
Sorry. My breathing is back to normal. The case and gears have been one of the Achilles heels of a high HP build. Now where is that brown paper bag to breath into when you need it?
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With the 40 spline spool and pro-gears you could put crazy horsepower to it. I'm thinking 1500-2000hp level. Then someone would need to step up with a knuckle. I was at a shop that has already made 2200 on a ls motor. As for weight. Yes it weighs more. I'll have to put them on the scale. But with the beauty of IRS at least it's unsprung weight.
Guys, here is some more info from Ken. He is working on getting some more stats for us. I'd say not to shabby for less than a years work after taking the measurements off my Camaro.
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so heres the deal with making it work with the existing aftermarket axles. Width was a HUGE issue. We kept the package as tight as possible. The OEM housing doesn't have a bearing supporting at the flange end of the axle. The carrier is designed to accomodate this. The 12 bolt was never intended for this type of setup. If you tried to do this without a retained bearing the axle would only be supported by splined surface. And with the forces created by the axle shafts you would basically turn the stubs into rotary broaches and destruction would shortly ensue. So yes we EXTENSIVELY looked at trying to make this work as a bolt in for exsisting aftermarket axles. But, we are already communicating with Moser and Gforce about axle sourcing. The housing is being brought down to Moser within the next day for axle fitment. This first rear is going to be in Jim Barber's Camaro for the power tour. We would like to get at least 10 orders to help drop the production price down. So get with Skip to start pre-ordering. A second one is currently being built.
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so heres the deal with making it work with the existing aftermarket axles. Width was a HUGE issue. We kept the package as tight as possible. The OEM housing doesn't have a bearing supporting at the flange end of the axle. The carrier is designed to accomodate this. The 12 bolt was never intended for this type of setup. If you tried to do this without a retained bearing the axle would only be supported by splined surface. And with the forces created by the axle shafts you would basically turn the stubs into rotary broaches and destruction would shortly ensue. So yes we EXTENSIVELY looked at trying to make this work as a bolt in for exsisting aftermarket axles. But, we are already communicating with Moser and Gforce about axle sourcing. The housing is being brought down to Moser within the next day for axle fitment. This first rear is going to be in Jim Barber's Camaro for the power tour. We would like to get at least 10 orders to help drop the production price down. So get with Skip to start pre-ordering. A second one is currently being built.

Ken - if you can get the GForce outlaw axles to work with this, I'm in. Chris made those with HUGE knuckles and large 300-M axles (presently 35 spline). The SST Camaro can push the numbers your are talking about hence my excitement over the thought of a great solution. Does the front of this unit need a special pinion yoke?? Up to this point, this has been the biggest pain in the rear(end)...lol



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Guys, here is some more info from Ken. He is working on getting some more stats for us. I'd say not to shabby for less than a years work after taking the measurements off my Camaro.

Thanks for the sacrifice... Your car is gonna need one of these too with that supercharger...just a matter of when.

P.S. It was great hangin' out with you at C5Fest. You are quite the character...especially Sat nite.
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Skip doesn't have a Camaro5 account. Skip is the one holding the casting in front of my 4th gen. I've been talking to Chris and he is going to be stop #2 with the housing so he can get the stubs made for his outlaw axles. Then you can buy them directly from him. As for the yoke, we were planning on a billet 1350 yoke then the customer would have to have a replacement driveshaft made (midshift back) with the coresponding 1350.

How much HP is that monster layin down anyway? Bad thing about the pro-gears is they're not street freindly. They're too soft. I've been hearing that a 40 spline Wavelok carrier is in the works. And good god if you could break that your next step is swaping in a Rockwell.



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Ken - if you can get the GForce outlaw axles to work with this, I'm in. Chris made those with HUGE knuckles and large 300-M axles (presently 35 spline). The SST Camaro can push the numbers your are talking about hence my excitement over the thought of a great solution. Does the front of this unit need a special pinion yoke?? Up to this point, this has been the biggest pain in the rear(end)...lol



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I don't expect to ever make the power numbers that require one of those monsters...but WOW.

Really Impressive!
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Im making the call in the morning. This is exactly what I have been waiting for. I was actually considering doing the solid axle conversion but this requires fabbing the entire rear end. Count me in for a pre order.
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Skip doesn't have a Camaro5 account. Skip is the one holding the casting in front of my 4th gen. I've been talking to Chris and he is going to be stop #2 with the housing so he can get the stubs made for his outlaw axles. Then you can buy them directly from him. As for the yoke, we were planning on a billet 1350 yoke then the customer would have to have a replacement driveshaft made (midshift back) with the coresponding 1350.

How much HP is that monster layin down anyway? Bad thing about the pro-gears is they're not street freindly. They're too soft. I've been hearing that a 40 spline Wavelok carrier is in the works. And good god if you could break that your next step is swaping in a Rockwell.
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Im making the call in the morning. This is exactly what I have been waiting for. I was actually considering doing the solid axle conversion but this requires fabbing the entire rear end. Count me in for a pre order.
Sounds familiar. The IRS rearend has been a pain since day 1. Thanks for getting it made. Beefy...
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Thanks for the sacrifice... Your car is gonna need one of these too with that supercharger...just a matter of when.

P.S. It was great hangin' out with you at C5Fest. You are quite the character...especially Sat nite.
It was great meeting you as well, and next time I'll try not to slur so much... I’m blaming that on all the beer I had to drink to get rid of that dam “Rotgut Whisky” taste from that fifth they were passing around…
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It was great meeting you as well, and next time I'll try not to slur so much... I’m blaming that on all the beer I had to drink to get rid of that dam “Rotgut Whisky” taste from that fifth they were passing around…
You can blame Zebra for that. I kept calling it the 'bottomless bottle of George Dickel' because it took so many C5er's with it.

Hey, and don't worry, it was a good slur...
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Thanks for the support guys. Very nice to see that everybody is so pumped about this! We are going to try as hard as possible to get these underway to keep up with the demand!
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