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Old 04-27-2010, 08:49 PM   #1
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NO2

Hey guys, thinkin about putting a 50-75 Shot of NO2 in my SS, besides the kit, what else is needed to run the NO2 at that amount of shot. Could you run that stock or need a tune and what not?

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Old 04-27-2010, 08:51 PM   #2
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i would go with a tune, also a free flowing exhaust will help, and a cai, that should help you get the most performane out of it
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:00 PM   #3
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Yea i have a CAI already and exhaust cut outs
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:34 PM   #4
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for the safety side.. Fuel pressure switch, window switch, TPS sensor, etc...
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You can run up to a 75 shot with no tune. Anything beyond that will require adding timing and tune. I have the Zex kit which only operates at WOT.
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Old 04-29-2010, 08:34 AM   #6
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You can run up to a 75 shot with no tune. Anything beyond that will require adding timing and tune. I have the Zex kit which only operates at WOT.
You mean Subtracting
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Old 04-29-2010, 09:37 AM   #7
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You can run up to a 75 shot with no tune. Anything beyond that will require adding timing and tune. I have the Zex kit which only operates at WOT.
I think that is wrong, you can tell me otherwise if i am misunderstanding but i always thought that a tune is recommended or required with a 10% change in power.
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I sprayed a 125 wet shot on my GTO on the stock tune. Monitored with a wideband and watched for KR on the HPTuners scanner and everything was fine.
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:57 AM   #9
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WOW.... all I have to say is WOW. So much wrong information has been said in this thread already. You can tell ALMOST every single person that has posted in this thread has no experience with nitrous.

First off, YOU DO NOT ADD TIMING WITH NITROUS... YOU BACK OUT/TAKE AWAY/RETARD TIMING. If you think you add timing for nitrous, you need to refrain from giving anyone any kind of information about it, because that is nitrous 101 stuff right there.

If you are going with a 50-75... or even 100 shot of nitrous I would go with a dry system. It dials your a/f in better than the fuel jet will, and it's not a big enough shot to max out your injectors. Switch out to tr6 spark plugs. If you are on the stock tune and are staying with a 100 shot or below, you should not need to take out any more timing. These motors don't require a lot of timing to make power, they come from the factory with roughly 20* of timing. That's plenty low enough to throw a 100 shot on there. I would, of course, verify this on a dyno with a a/f readout and check to see if you have any detonation.

A fuel pressure safety switch is pointless. Anyone in their right mind doesn't run one. Verify pressure on a dyno with a gauge and be done with it.

A window switch if highly recommended, as well at a WOT/TPS switch.

If you do decide to get a tune on your car, timing MAY have to be pulled out. Generally speaking it's 1* of timing/50 shot. But this should be verified on a dyno, as stated before.
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Old 04-29-2010, 02:18 PM   #10
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WOW.... all I have to say is WOW. So much wrong information has been said in this thread already. You can tell ALMOST every single person that has posted in this thread has no experience with nitrous.

First off, YOU DO NOT ADD TIMING WITH NITROUS... YOU BACK OUT/TAKE AWAY/RETARD TIMING. If you think you add timing for nitrous, you need to refrain from giving anyone any kind of information about it, because that is nitrous 101 stuff right there.

If you are going with a 50-75... or even 100 shot of nitrous I would go with a dry system. It dials your a/f in better than the fuel jet will, and it's not a big enough shot to max out your injectors. Switch out to tr6 spark plugs. If you are on the stock tune and are staying with a 100 shot or below, you should not need to take out any more timing. These motors don't require a lot of timing to make power, they come from the factory with roughly 20* of timing. That's plenty low enough to throw a 100 shot on there. I would, of course, verify this on a dyno with a a/f readout and check to see if you have any detonation.

A fuel pressure safety switch is pointless. Anyone in their right mind doesn't run one. Verify pressure on a dyno with a gauge and be done with it.

A window switch if highly recommended, as well at a WOT/TPS switch.

If you do decide to get a tune on your car, timing MAY have to be pulled out. Generally speaking it's 1* of timing/50 shot. But this should be verified on a dyno, as stated before.
Everyone on tech has said to use the non-projected tip plugs like the BR7EF instead of the TR6's just for that little bit of safety although with that small a shot you should be ok with the TR6's.

As stated above on the stock tune your timing on a 50-75 should be ok but not if you have a tune as they usually add more timing to improve performance.

As for the FPSS(fuel pressure safety switch) for what it costs it could save your engine if you fuel pump dies or the pressure drops and leans you out too much.

If you need a nitrous kit or any accessories ie. FPSS, window switch, progressive controller etc. let me know I have most of those items in stock.
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Old 04-29-2010, 03:48 PM   #11
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WOW.... all I have to say is WOW. So much wrong information has been said in this thread already. You can tell ALMOST every single person that has posted in this thread has no experience with nitrous.

First off, YOU DO NOT ADD TIMING WITH NITROUS... YOU BACK OUT/TAKE AWAY/RETARD TIMING. If you think you add timing for nitrous, you need to refrain from giving anyone any kind of information about it, because that is nitrous 101 stuff right there.

If you are going with a 50-75... or even 100 shot of nitrous I would go with a dry system. It dials your a/f in better than the fuel jet will, and it's not a big enough shot to max out your injectors. Switch out to tr6 spark plugs. If you are on the stock tune and are staying with a 100 shot or below, you should not need to take out any more timing. These motors don't require a lot of timing to make power, they come from the factory with roughly 20* of timing. That's plenty low enough to throw a 100 shot on there. I would, of course, verify this on a dyno with a a/f readout and check to see if you have any detonation.

A fuel pressure safety switch is pointless. Anyone in their right mind doesn't run one. Verify pressure on a dyno with a gauge and be done with it.

A window switch if highly recommended, as well at a WOT/TPS switch.

If you do decide to get a tune on your car, timing MAY have to be pulled out. Generally speaking it's 1* of timing/50 shot. But this should be verified on a dyno, as stated before.
Relax, bro.
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Old 04-29-2010, 06:19 PM   #12
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Nice, thanks...got some thinkin to do before I pull the trigger
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Old 05-30-2011, 05:48 PM   #13
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what do u buy to control the timing, for instance,say I'm going to the track..is there a device that will pull my timing before a run, and put my timing back to stock after the track day,
i have a whole plate system that came in Friday with all the goodies, but this timing thing is really on my mind before i pull the trigger
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Old 05-30-2011, 08:00 PM   #14
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so i can spray a 100 shot safely with out taking timing out? thats good to know, but i really wanted to spray a 150, thats why i was asking,
do the hand held tuners from hypertech or SCT retard timing?
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:24 PM   #15
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Do yourself a favor and don't run a 100 shot without pulling timing. Could you get away with it? Maybe, but why take the chance?
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I have read many times a 100 shot is safe on the stock tune. For added safty you could throw a little 100 octane in when you race, I was told this when I asked about a 100 shot. I am thinking about doing the same thing. You will get used to the 100 shoot and get a tune for a 150 down the road anyway
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:34 AM   #17
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Do yourself a favor and don't run a 100 shot without pulling timing. Could you get away with it? Maybe, but why take the chance?
^^^^ What he said...^^^^

How many cars with Nitrous are actually running around on a stock tune...

It's not that hard to to have a street tune and track tune... since the only difference is a few degrees of timing pulled...
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what do u buy to control the timing, for instance,say I'm going to the track..is there a device that will pull my timing before a run, and put my timing back to stock after the track day,
i have a whole plate system that came in Friday with all the goodies, but this timing thing is really on my mind before i pull the trigger


Lingenfelter LNC-2000 "Adjustable RPM Limiter & Timing Retard Controller"

The Timing Retard capabilities of the LNC-2000 can be used to retard timing by up to 15 degrees.
Among its many features, the LNC-2000 pulls timing as soon as it receives voltage from the TPS when the throttle goes wide open.

Read more: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...#ixzz1YvvYnczf


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Hahaha... it says Max Retard..... Just had to point that out.
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Hahaha... it says Max Retard..... Just had to point that out.
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Lingenfelter LNC-2000 "Adjustable RPM Limiter & Timing Retard Controller"

The Timing Retard capabilities of the LNC-2000 can be used to retard timing by up to 15 degrees.
Among its many features, the LNC-2000 pulls timing as soon as it receives voltage from the TPS when the throttle goes wide open.

Read more: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...#ixzz1YvvYnczf

(http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merc...gory_Code=C163)[/B][/FONT]

I have the lnc-200 and it makes a world of a diffrence for the fellas sparying nitrous. I was always running on my nitous tune and hated being down on power. When i herd this was gonna be availible i got on the waiting list and it was worth it!
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I personally would not put nitrous in this engine until the pistons and very least rod bolts are changed just my opinion I have run nitrous motors now for jut around 22 years on and off these motors have cast pistons and powder rods not a great combo.
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I personally would not put nitrous in this engine until the pistons and very least rod bolts are changed just my opinion I have run nitrous motors now for jut around 22 years on and off these motors have cast pistons and powder rods not a great combo.
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I just had a nitrous system quoted and a revised tune as well as a "MSD LS Timing Twister" and a window switch was suggested. I also stated that I only wanted to run a 100-150 hp shot.

I also agree this motor is probably not ideal for NOS, so I would limit my shot at 100hp with my combination is probably 530-550hp and 525 tq to the wheels, which probably is more than the car can handle off launch to begin with.
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