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Old 10-17-2008, 01:40 PM   #26
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Now I have heard from Procharger whom said we coudl try to work something out, and I am also in discussions with a well known F-body company who builds custom turbo setups who said we could also try to work something out. Would any of you be interested in either of those deals???
i have the procharger setup on my current truck. other then having to find a tuner for it i'm pretty happy with it. i would probably go with them again if you can get the group going unless magnuson or another brand can prove that there better.
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:29 PM   #27
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Old 10-17-2008, 05:18 PM   #28
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interesting, i know thats probably the only thing i dont like about teh procharger is on my truck it takes forever it seems like to hit full boost, on teh bottom end just seems like its still N/A. i know its not though, guess i'm just getting to used to it.

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did the magnuson kit come with different injectors or a booster pump or what? i know the procharger kit came with a aux fuel pump and a FMU. how does the mag kit handle the extra fuel needs? i only ask cuz your sig says no other mods.
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Old 10-17-2008, 06:16 PM   #29
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Old 10-17-2008, 06:40 PM   #30
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I just put in an e-mail to Magnuson and ATI, we will see who gets back to me and who can enlighten us about the plans for the Camaro....
PM me if you are interested in getting a group purchase going for this or other performance parts when they are ready.
I PM'd you.
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Old 10-17-2008, 06:44 PM   #31
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It would be interesting to see if either ATI or Magnuson has any insight with regards to the computer interface on the L99.
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Old 10-19-2008, 09:51 PM   #32
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I am going to get a Supercharger, eventually. Hopefully a good Powerful kit will be out based off the Eaton Fourlobe (more than likely Magna).

One thing is for sure...I wont be getting a centrifical, if I was to go the snail shell route, then I would just Twin Turbo. However if your going to boost this car, then you need a PD roots-style Blower.....Just my opinion.

I want to see someone with a true Blower, sticking out of the Hood, producing an insane amount of boost. I would love to go this route if I was buying it to be a Track and Show car, but this is going to be my daily driver.
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:22 PM   #33
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Just proved my point on centrifugal superchargers. Other than the fact that they are slightly cheaper than some other (better) alternatives, they have no advantages. They are basically a turbo, only way less efficient. It's like somebody thought "I'm going to develop a forced induction method that combines the lag of a turbo, AND the parasitic loss of a supercharger!". Brilliant.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:52 PM   #34
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Well one thing we must consider is what kind of horespower/torque you want. If you want more horespower/torque in the lower RPMs you'd be better off woth a roots type/twin screw supercharger. Centrifugal S/C's get you more horespower/torque on the top end.
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Roots type superchargers are good for the entire powerband...
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:16 AM   #36
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Either way it depends on what type of driving your gonna be doing. A centrifugal will be better for drivability. As with a roots type you have the power on tap.
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Or you could just get a turbo. Good drivability, more efficient.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:30 AM   #38
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They just have the LAG factor thats the only problem.
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They just have the LAG factor thats the only problem.
you only have lag if you oversize the turbos.
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They just have the LAG factor thats the only problem.
So do centrifugal superchargers. Only more, and combined with parasitic loss.

In my opinion, there is no way to justify buying a centrifugal supercharger unless you were in a tight spot with money and needed a quick fix.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:45 PM   #41
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If I am not mistaken....isn't you rbeloved roots style blower also causing parasitic drag by being belt driven?

I will be honest I think "to each his own" and I have experience with Turbo and centrifigal s/c. And I have yet to have a lag problem. If you build a quality system, and TUNE IT PROPERLY, and you are using the right size turbo or s/c, you don't have these issues.

That is just my experience with the products.


I am now up to 7 people interested in a kit...keep 'em coming.
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I would rather go centrifugal over turbo anyday. And when it comes to roots vs. cent. It all depends on what type of driving or racing you're doing. Me personally I would rather have a roots/twin crew over all but I would like a procharger for drag racing. It's mostly preference when force feeding cars. It's not about whats neccasarily "the best".
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If I am not mistaken....isn't you rbeloved roots style blower also causing parasitic drag by being belt driven?
Yes it does, but that loss can be as low as one horsepower with todays super efficient twin screw designs. The centrifugal is just the least ergonomic of the three, since it actually combines the downsides of both of the other two. Any serious drag racer would use either roots or turbo.
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Old 10-20-2008, 02:18 PM   #44
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This is the APS twin turbo system against the maggie...

do you race 0-90 or 40 to 140?

800hp vs 600hp...but who wins the 8th?

Wm vs LoBoost



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Personnally I like whipples...(oops Im giving myself away..) Lower intake temps = better reliability in the engine bay..

Oh and screws/roots have gone WAY down on the parasitic loss through new tech over the last 10 years.. I believe the new 3.7L whipple is down to 5HP / 10lbs of boost...

I will always say this though... its the same with audio systems.. it ALL depends on what type of racing your doing (or music your listening to). A well built purpose system will ALWAYS outperform a well built system of any other type.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:20 PM   #46
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Thank you.....
It all depends on the type of driving you want this for, and the build of the system.
If you have a crappy built system why waste your money.

I am still looking to get in touch with Magnuson, they are terrible in getting in touch with a new prospective dealer like myself...I am going ot try again...
The maggie would be easy to work with since we could develop our own package around it!!
Procharger is interested, and I know a company who builds custom turbo kits whom is interested...
Will keep you all posted. Just PM me if you are interested.
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Personnally I like whipples...(oops Im giving myself away..) Lower intake temps = better reliability in the engine bay..

Oh and screws/roots have gone WAY down on the parasitic loss through new tech over the last 10 years.. I believe the new 3.7L whipple is down to 5HP / 10lbs of boost...

I will always say this though... its the same with audio systems.. it ALL depends on what type of racing your doing (or music your listening to). A well built purpose system will ALWAYS outperform a well built system of any other type.
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It all depends on the type of driving you want this for, and the build of the system.
If you have a crappy built system why waste your money.

I am still looking to get in touch with Magnuson, they are terrible in getting in touch with a new prospective dealer like myself...I am going ot try again...
The maggie would be easy to work with since we could develop our own package around it!!
Procharger is interested, and I know a company who builds custom turbo kits whom is interested...
Will keep you all posted. Just PM me if you are interested.
Just as I said earlier Guys. Either way...I'm really leaning towards a procharger since I'll be driving my Camaro 4-5 days a week. IMO they're more streetable than roots/twin screws.
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If not ProCharger then I'll be getting a Magnuson. But I'm gonna get my internals upgraded before forced induction
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If not ProCharger then I'll be getting a Magnuson. But I'm gonna get my internals upgraded before forced induction
Good call. Can never be too safe with this kind of investment.
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Old 10-23-2008, 06:14 PM   #50
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Harrop has a TVS 2300 for the LS3. It's not Camaro Specific but I am going to make it work.
They already have kits for the smaller blowers in the G8. Since the G8 and Camaro are both ZETA platforms it would be interesting to see how similar the setup.

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