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Old 03-08-2007, 08:24 PM   #1
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Toyota vs GM

I hadn't noticed this anywhere and thought some may be interested in casting their vote.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17437402/site/newsweek/

GM is currently at 79%

I was only able to vote once, so I don't know how many people may be voting multiple times or if they even can (I'm assuming if you clear cookies it won't recognize you anymore). But I'd rather have GM win (or lose) fairly and only vote once.
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:34 PM   #2
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GM @ 80%! Cast my vote.

Thanks for pointing that out!
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:49 PM   #3
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80% now.... good article by the way.
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Old 03-08-2007, 11:14 PM   #4
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Still at 80%...let's do GM right and all vote!!!
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Old 03-09-2007, 03:42 AM   #5
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still at 80%
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Old 03-09-2007, 03:29 PM   #6
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there no way toyota is going to catch up.
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Old 03-09-2007, 03:30 PM   #7
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Old 03-09-2007, 03:41 PM   #8
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This is what i don't understand... how can Toyota be narrowing the gap at the rate they are in the local market, but yet 83% of the people who have responded to this pole (approximtely 78,000 people at the time I typed this) indicate that they feel GM makes "better" cars (better is fairly ambiguous in this sense, but still..). 78,000 responses is a pretty decent sample, and you know that they are unique votes because you can't vote twice with the same IP.
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Old 03-09-2007, 04:02 PM   #9
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It is on the quarterly sales... votes mean nothing if GM doesn't wake up soon.
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Old 03-09-2007, 04:15 PM   #10
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It is on the quarterly sales... votes mean nothing if GM doesn't wake up soon.
Can you elaborate on that? What exactly do you mean it is on the quarterly sales? What is 'it'?
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Old 03-09-2007, 04:26 PM   #11
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Based on their sales report.
Their quarter reports to be exact, GM has been suffering a huge loss on every quarter. Maybe a minor gain here and there but not enough to resurface. With that said, It is not that Toyota is "better", it is the fact that our current giant GM is losing money thus letting the Japanese rivals to catch up quick. On top of that their "junk" status gives them a harder time to borrow money.

A good source with neat tables and cash flow, balance sheets etc.
http://host.businessweek.com/stocks/...OTATION=266152


http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/07/news...rime/index.htm
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Old 03-09-2007, 07:55 PM   #12
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83, glad I could support--

you know, I have to comment-leave it to the Japs to try and destroy our auto leader...WE MADE THEM. After the war, we helped them rebuild. We even helped to structure their gov't. And this is how we get thanked, to have them manipulate the public into believing that their crap is better than our own crap.
Seriously though. They should have quit while they're behind...Here's my forecast-they will surpass GM-nothing can stop that now. BUT GM WILL RISE!! The foreigners will make a mistake and GM will squash all the "moving forward" out of Toyota, until they're laying on the road staring up at dual tailpipes wishing they never crossed the General.
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On a somewhat related "Toyota note", I am SO F'ING SICK of those commercials for the Tundra and Toyota's transparent effort to try and make me believe it's soooo American!

From the "deep" voice, the "assembled in America" remark, etc., AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every time I see one of them, I curse at the TV and give it the finger.

(maybe I need to seek some help :o )
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Old 03-09-2007, 10:12 PM   #14
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On a somewhat related "Toyota note", I am SO F'ING SICK of those commercials for the Tundra and Toyota's transparent effort to try and make me believe it's soooo American!

From the "deep" voice, the "assembled in America" remark, etc., AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every time I see one of them, I curse at the TV and give it the finger.

(maybe I need to seek some help :o )
THANK YOU!!! I was just about to say somthin about that u beat me to it. Really gets under my skin, makes me want to borrow my friends big Z-71 and crush their damn tundra into the dirt monster truck style. They are not f***in American and need to stop frontin.
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:34 PM   #15
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As I had mentioned in the thread about the mini cars, I was watching a segment on the Fox News Channel with Bob Lutz and I thought Bob Lutz summed up the problems with mainstream perception quite accurately after Neil Cavuto asked him why the domestics are not able to offer appealing designs at a price that is competitive with the imports such as Toyota.

He said that 5-10 years ago that was the case with GM and other domestics taking the safe route by designing cars that no one could hate, but that no one loved either. their designers were told to be very conservative in their designs. He went on to tell Cavuto that the problem today is that because of this era, the general perception of the public was that you had less appealing, less reliable, and more expensive domestic cars as opposed to imports, which is not the case at all today.

I thought he really hit the nail on the head here. He went on to say that the reason it is stil like this today is because of all the negative press domestics receive in the media.

So so true.....
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:28 PM   #16
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Over 102,000 votes now and still 83% for GM.

I owned a Toyota once...never again. Piece of crap.
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Old 04-05-2007, 01:58 PM   #17
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Thank you moose i feel your pain with these toyota adds. there are such bs. so what if your truck has bigger freaking brakes and rotors. its bc your truck is a heavy p.o.s. the new chevy trucks are even getting better gas mileage then the so called fuel eff toyotas.
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check this out. a great car site for everyone to check out.
http://jalopnik.com/cars/gossip/rumo...ads-245788.php
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