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Old 10-13-2008, 10:48 AM   #1
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Do the Math

$33,710


I'll be ordering a 1SS with Boston Acoustics, the RS package, and an automatic transmission.

If I can reduce from this the trade-in value of my Impreza, I'm looking at maybe $3,000. I can keep it under $30k with some aggressive negotiating and an intimidating bodyguard, horse-riding whip, or black Suburbans.


I am expecting a call today from the district management of my post-college job. A little politicking seems to pay off. I should be pulling strings and making lots of dough in a couple of years. If this all works out, I'll have extra money by the end of 2010 for lots of aftermarket parts. If this doesn't work out, my budget should allow me to save enough after college to get one with limited financing in under 2 years. I figure that my 2011 Camaro will be completely paid off by 2015.

How much will yours cost? When will you be able to afford it? How will you pay?
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:54 AM   #2
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Did the math... for myself

I am approved for 60k for 72 months at 6.24%... MY personally max is 500ish/month payment...

Mustang GT base:
$27,750 MSRP (includes destination)
$2233.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$414.00 Registration/license
Total $30,217.00
Payment $ 504.21

Mustang GT Premium
$29,570 MSRP (includes destination)
$2295.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$444.00 Registration/license
Total $32,409.00
Payment $ 540.00

1SS
$30,992 MSRP (includes destination)
$2510.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$465.00 Registration/license
Total $33,967.00
Payment $ 566.78

2SS (What i was after AT close to the GT premium price)
$34180.00 MSRP (includes destination)
$2769.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$513.00 Registration/license
Total $37,462.00
Payment $ 625.10

I am VERY disappointed, YES we were told premium to the mustang... but hundreds.. NOT THOUSANDS premium. I guess my Signature needs an update becuase its WRONG.

Seems that I will be looking into a corvette at the close to 40k price tag.
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:24 AM   #3
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Did the math... for myself

I am approved for 60k for 72 months at 6.24%... MY personally max is 500ish/month payment...

Mustang GT base:
$27,750 MSRP (includes destination)
$2233.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$414.00 Registration/license
Total $30,217.00
Payment $ 504.21

Mustang GT Premium
$29,570 MSRP (includes destination)
$2295.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$444.00 Registration/license
Total $32,409.00
Payment $ 540.00

1SS
$30,992 MSRP (includes destination)
$2510.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$465.00 Registration/license
Total $33,967.00
Payment $ 566.78

2SS (What i was after AT close to the GT premium price)
$34180.00 MSRP (includes destination)
$2769.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$413.00 Registration/license
Total $37,462.00
Payment $ 625.10

I am VERY disappointed, YES we were told premium to the mustang... but hundreds.. NOT THOUSANDS premium. I guess my Signature needs an update becuase its WRONG.

Seems that I will be looking into a corvette at the close to 40k price tag.


the only thing to change to your sig is what ive been saying all along....
go to ford.com and do all that, then add about 2-3k to the price to compensate for the fact that the mustang is already out and ford has had ample time to sell enough units to keep the price low. and to compensate for a years worth of inflation.

I just made a 2009 GT premium and added things that are standard on the 2SS and the price came out to $36,837.00 (with 100 less horsepower to boot)


also, how much are you putting down for the vehicle? if anything at all?

if you want a lower monthly payment.... put more down when you sign for the car.
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:33 AM   #4
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Camaro 2LT -- $27,330
Transmission, Automatic 6-speed -- $995
RS Package w/ 2LT -- $1,450
Cyber Gray Metallic Stripes -- $395
Carpeted Front -- $60
Engine Block Heater -- $75
Interior Trim Package -- $500

30,805< did i rip my self off?

plus vert when its pricing is announced


so now the only pricing im waitng for is for the accesories
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:53 AM   #5
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the only thing to change to your sig is what ive been saying all along....
go to ford.com and do all that, then add about 2-3k to the price to compensate for the fact that the mustang is already out and ford has had ample time to sell enough units to keep the price low. and to compensate for a years worth of inflation.

I just made a 2009 GT premium and added things that are standard on the 2SS and the price came out to $36,837.00 (with 100 less horsepower to boot)


also, how much are you putting down for the vehicle? if anything at all?

if you want a lower monthly payment.... put more down when you sign for the car.
The problem camarospike is that we where told compete with mustang prices (yes at a premium of hundreds NOT THOUSANDS). Content be damned price is to high to compete. At this price your into the infinity/lexus range (one of the reasons I wont buy a challenger).

My down payment is the reason im probably looking at a corvette, the more down payment i have to make the more its worth it to me to step up to a vette.

Add in the fact that in 3-4 years the camaro will be worth about the same as a mustang (2005-20006's are going for 15kish).. why spend 36k?

I could justify almost a 50% drop.. but not over that.

STILL VERY UPSET.. gods I held the faith and I feel like ive been screwed. GM made a liar out of me today.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:00 PM   #6
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Camaro 2LT -- $27,330
Convenience and Connectivity w/ Automatic Transmission -- $665
RS Package w/ 2LT -- $1,450
Carpeted Front -- $60
Boston Acoustics System -- $495
Cyber Gray Metallic Stripes -- $395
Power Sunroof -- $900
Interior Trim Package -- $500 (<btw what is this)

my camaro 31,795

plus vert when its pricing is announced

so know the only pricing im waitng for is for the accesories
You are ripping yourself off, you don't need to order the Convenience & Connectivity package or the the Boston Acoustics System as they come standard on the 2L.

The interior trim is colored panels add on the doors and some other places not my fav there are pics in other post.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:03 PM   #7
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The problem camarospike is that we where told compete with mustang prices (yes at a premium of hundreds NOT THOUSANDS). Content be damned price is to high to compete. At this price your into the infinity/lexus range (one of the reasons I wont buy a challenger).

My down payment is the reason im probably looking at a corvette, the more down payment i have to make the more its worth it to me to step up to a vette.

Add in the fact that in 3-4 years the camaro will be worth about the same as a mustang (2005-20006's are going for 15kish).. why spend 36k?

I could justify almost a 50% drop.. but not over that.

STILL VERY UPSET.. gods I held the faith and I feel like ive been screwed. GM made a liar out of me today.
Feel like pricing is $500 to $3,000 to high given the Mustang. $500 for the LS and $3000 for 2SS. Especially,when you can get the Mustang below MSRP. That makes the price difference huge between the two cars. It is a little disappointing and I think it will hurt sales.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:07 PM   #8
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The problem camarospike is that we where told compete with mustang prices (yes at a premium of hundreds NOT THOUSANDS). Content be damned price is to high to compete. At this price your into the infinity/lexus range (one of the reasons I wont buy a challenger).

My down payment is the reason im probably looking at a corvette, the more down payment i have to make the more its worth it to me to step up to a vette.

Add in the fact that in 3-4 years the camaro will be worth about the same as a mustang (2005-20006's are going for 15kish).. why spend 36k?

I could justify almost a 50% drop.. but not over that.

STILL VERY UPSET.. gods I held the faith and I feel like ive been screwed. GM made a liar out of me today.
Sounds like you aren't sure what you want, a bargain or superior performance? If you want a bargain, get a Mustang. If you want superior performance (at a reasonable price), get a Camaro or wait for a used one.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:13 PM   #9
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Consider this, the Camaro will beat all Mustangs except the GT500 and above. The Shelby GT costs $39k+ still has just ~320 hp. My point is that a new Camaro is a bargain at its performance level.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:18 PM   #10
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2SS $34,180
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Rally Stripes $510
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Tax 3% $1,076
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You are ripping yourself off, you don't need to order the Convenience & Connectivity package or the the Boston Acoustics System as they come standard on the 2L.

The interior trim is colored panels add on the doors and some other places not my fav there are pics in other post.
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Camaro 2LT -- $27,330
Convenience and Connectivity w/ Automatic Transmission -- $665
RS Package w/ 2LT -- $1,450
Carpeted Front -- $60
Boston Acoustics System -- $495
Cyber Gray Metallic Stripes -- $395
Power Sunroof -- $900
Interior Trim Package -- $500 (<btw what is this)

my camaro 31,795

plus vert when its pricing is announced

so know the only pricing im waitng for is for the accesories
Is 31, 795 the price yo worked up, or the price given to you by the dealer?
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:26 PM   #13
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Sounds like you aren't sure what you want, a bargain or superior performance? If you want a bargain, get a Mustang. If you want superior performance (at a reasonable price), get a Camaro or wait for a used one.
I know exactly what i want... but the upgrade to a corvette from the 2SS level is literally a matter of $4000.00...

For 4000 you get quite a bit more car and performance.. The 2SS is not a deal its about 3500 over priced.
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Is 31, 795 the price yo worked up, or the price given to you by the dealer?
i just added it up really quick
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I know exactly what i want... but the upgrade to a corvette from the 2SS level is literally a matter of $4000.00...

For 4000 you get quite a bit more car and performance.. The 2SS is not a deal its about 3500 over priced.
I think of this a little differently, forgive me for twisting your words. The base Corvette is a $4000 premium to a loaded Camaro.
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btw...base corvette 0-60 = 4.1 seconds
camaro SS 0-60 = 4.5 seconds
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:48 PM   #17
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interior is also not as nice on the base corvette.
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i just added it up really quick
LoL well i hope its that, when are they going to have prices on all the trim levels? or do they already have that at the dealers?
Sorry guys, just confused a little, i thought only the base prices were released
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Base vette is no LS camaro with steel wheels and a V6. It's every bit the performer any other vette barring the Z06 and ZR1 is. I agree, bang for bucks, the 1LT Vette is better than a 2SS.
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Also, people are driving V6 mustangs off Ford lots for under 19,000. That's 4 grand, GM. You'd better hope you have some excellent sales personnel to explain to joe schmoe why he needs to pay almost 1/5 more for his stripper pony car.
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Initially the camaro will sell itself, because it is new. Then after that "newness" wears off, they will be discounting like the old style mustang is now.
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Also, people are driving V6 mustangs off Ford lots for under 19,000. That's 4 grand, GM. You'd better hope you have some excellent sales personnel to explain to joe schmoe why he needs to pay almost 1/5 more for his stripper pony car.
Base mustangs have been out for years now and demand for them is declined because demand has been satisfied, and people know the design is at the end of the cycle and due for refresh next year.

How can you compare an obsolete model price to the price of a fresh model that's just coming out?
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What is this $4,000 more for a Corvette than a loaded Camaro?

A BASE CORVETTE IS $49,415!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you talking about a new Camaro compared to a used Vette?
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What is this $4,000 more for a Corvette than a loaded Camaro?

A BASE CORVETTE IS $49,415!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you talking about a new Camaro compared to a used Vette?
You can pickup brand new 2008's for 38-39k depending on options. 2009's are going for low 40's.

After ttl for a 2SS I would be paying 37k.
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