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Old 05-04-2010, 08:45 AM   #1
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Can bolt-ons assure a quicker car than a 2011 mustang?

I live in Mustang country. I need to maintain my camaro faster than a stock mustang for my own sanity.

I know there is a similar post, but I want to talk about bolt-ons only.

How much do you think it will take to keep the camaro faster than a stock stang? And because I've been having so many serious issues (tranny number 3 coming soon), I want to stick to bolt-ons until I feel comfortable enough with the car not needing serious warranty work.

Anyone have any ideas how little it would take to make that happen?
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:49 AM   #2
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I live in Mustang country. I need to maintain my camaro faster than a stock mustang for my own sanity.

I know there is a similar post, but I want to talk about bolt-ons only.

How much do you think it will take to keep the camaro faster than a stock stang? And because I've been having so many serious issues (tranny number 3 coming soon), I want to stick to bolt-ons until I feel comfortable enough with the car not needing serious warranty work.

Anyone have any ideas how little it would take to make that happen?
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:58 AM   #3
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If we're talking best buys in packages for the 2010 you might consider the TSP packages.

We offer the stainless steel Texas Speed Long Tube Headers, 3" X Pipe, 3" axle back w/ Magnaflow mufflers, TSP cold air induction, and TSP Mail Order Tuning.

With this combo your getting the entire exhaust setup from headers to tips, the air induction & computer tuning all in one package.

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Old 05-04-2010, 09:45 AM   #4
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Either package above should work, that is until they start modding the Mustang.

After that it goes by wh spends most.
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:58 AM   #5
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One small thing that was overlooked is that the OP seems to want to maintain his warranty. Can't do that with long tubes and a tune.
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Old 05-04-2010, 10:41 AM   #6
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Driver mod. In my opinion, because the Camaro runs a 12.9 stock in the quarter and Ford's new Mustang 5.0 runs a 13.2 (According to Motortrend magazine, I believe. I have 4 different magazines that came in the mail yesterday, but one focused on the 2011 Mustang and 2010 Camaro. Pretty sure it's Motortrend. Anyway...) just make sure you're the better shifter.

But either way, you're gonna want bolt-ons, like I did and still do
You can't go wrong with a CAI. Roto-Fab and the K&N Aircharger IMO give the biggest gains. Exhaust as well, and a tune/programmer wouldn't hurt.

As far as warranty is concerned, it depends if you install it yourself or if the dealer installs it. My dealer in Kendall installed my CAI, and I even bought my Diablo Predator tuner from them and applied it (which, btw, was a great buy. I feel better throttle response and more torque in 1st and 2nd gear. Sounds better, too.) they just told me to put the stock tune back in whenever I take it to a dealership for service.

I'm pretty sure my dealer would install exhaust, headers, etc. for me without voiding my warranty. (If you do this, keep a record that a Chevrolet dealership installed it.)

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Old 05-04-2010, 10:54 AM   #7
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Second on the TSP packages. All you will need to put firm distance between you and a 2011 Mustang is a 4.10 gear.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:47 AM   #8
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I want to talk about bolt-ons only.
If by "bolt-ons only" you mean w/o tuning mods, than that's what I'm interested in as well.
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Old 05-04-2010, 01:13 PM   #9
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car and driver and i think edmunds had the ss quicker than the new gt as long as its a manual. I personaly think they just about maxed the new gt motor out which means mod for mod the LS3 will always be faster. If you are a auto like me your going to need bolt ons that affect warranty like LT headers, tune, full exhaust, intake and such. If you are a manual I think its a drivers race but a good cai couldnt hurt and i think thats the only mod that doesnt for sure affect the warranty. Everyone thought the new gt was going to eat the SS's lunch but we are now learning that is far from true.
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Old 05-04-2010, 01:33 PM   #10
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Either package above should work, that is until they start modding the Mustang.

After that it goes by who spends most.
This will always be the case. Plus you can't win with a "I beat a stock mustang with a modded camaro" type of attitude. Beat the driver not the car and take pride in it.
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Old 05-04-2010, 01:33 PM   #11
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just upgrading your rear gears will get you faster than the 2011 mustang w/ track pkg and 3.73 gears the biased MotorTrend tested. all other magazines have proven a standard issue SS is faster than the standard issue GT with no other factory performance upgrades.

but if you want even more all you need is a cold air intake, headers, exhaust, and a tune with the rear gears and i bet it would be faster than a 2011 gt with the exact same mods.

that is all i have minus the gears and i ran a 12.23@113mph
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Correct, There is NO Substitute for Cubic Inches, Same Mods = more power on bigger cubes.

The Camaro 6.2 will always Lead over the Mustang 5.0
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Old 05-04-2010, 01:39 PM   #13
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One small thing that was overlooked is that the OP seems to want to maintain his warranty. Can't do that with long tubes and a tune.
Why is my dealer ok with LTs then?
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Old 05-04-2010, 02:02 PM   #15
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car and driver and i think edmunds had the ss quicker than the new gt as long as its a manual. I personaly think they just about maxed the new gt motor out which means mod for mod the LS3 will always be faster. If you are a auto like me your going to need bolt ons that affect warranty like LT headers, tune, full exhaust, intake and such. If you are a manual I think its a drivers race but a good cai couldnt hurt and i think thats the only mod that doesnt for sure affect the warranty. Everyone thought the new gt was going to eat the SS's lunch but we are now learning that is far from true.
These new engines are far from being maxed out, Evolution Performance gained right at 40 RWHP with O/R X-pipe catback exhaust K&N drop in filter and tune.
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cai, headers, catback, underdrive and a tune should do the trick.
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Old 05-04-2010, 02:37 PM   #17
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if your on your 3rd tranny i do believe that qualifies for the lemon law, you should get a new car (i think)
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These new engines are far from being maxed out, Evolution Performance gained right at 40 RWHP with O/R X-pipe catback exhaust K&N drop in filter and tune.
It was 37hp. But yeah solid gain. And yes you have to be weary when the company has stake in the tests. Not much left to do. The stock CAI is all ready a performance design....the stock manifolds are almost as good as headers. Probably be about 415whp with headers. 10-20hp behind a similar modded LS3 when in comparison they dyno roughly the same when stock. Then hold your breath when both cars add cam/cams.

To the OP...you need NOTHING to be quicker than the mustang. The best thing you could do is go out and practice launching/shifting. Anything that you are going to be able to do without voiding your warranty will not make up for bad driving.

Also...if you want a guaranteed win...do a 70mph roll race to 130 or so (on closed course obviously). Last comparison I seen had the camaro almost TWO SECONDS ahead in a race to 130....a serious spanking
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Why is everyone worried about beating fords mid level mustang with their top level camaro.
It's the gt500 that I want to beat in my camaro not the gt. I can already do that.
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From what I saw in Motortrend they got the Mustang to run 4.3 0-60, 12.8 1/4 mile. The SS they claimed in the same article ran 4.5 0-60 and 12.9 1/4 mile. So the Mustang has an ever so slight edge. One thing to consider is they were not run on the same day with the same weather conditions, they are within 15hp of each other, but the Mustang weighs almost 300lbs less. So based on the math and similar gearing the times Motortrend ran seem pretty realistic. So drivers being equal you can catch up with a CAI only.

Also, note that the Mustang does not have typical manifolds, they have a custom type of shorty headers. So if you add shorty headers to the SS you will get the same performace and have the exact same mods as a Mustnag...so you can argue apples to apples they are dead even. This would leave the Mustangs only advantage to its weight.
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Why is everyone worried about beating fords mid level mustang with their top level camaro.
It's the gt500 that I want to beat in my camaro not the gt. I can already do that.
the gt500 and the camaro ss isn't on the same playing field. even though the numbers are not that far apart. it should be gt500 and z28
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the gt500 and the camaro ss isn't on the same playing field. even though the numbers are not that far apart. it should be gt500 and z28
GT500 top mustang.
SS top camaro.

top vs top sounds cool to me, there is no Z28 at this time to compare. no matter the price different the GT is the mid level mustang offered, and the SS is the top level camaro offered, there is no way to dispute that as a fact.

anywho... you will probably want a nice cold air system with a nice tune to give you some pep, btw why are you basing/modding/changing your car on what another car can do, that doesn't show love for your car as is :(

I enjoy my car I don't make it live in the shadow of the new camaro because it's faster.
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the gt500 and the camaro ss isn't on the same playing field. even though the numbers are not that far apart. it should be gt500 and z28
Same playing field to me. They are both mustangs(meaning the GT and the GT500). I don't know why everyone keeps saying that. And don't say cost because everyone uses the srt8 to compare to the camaro and it cost about 10grand more than the SS. the zr1 beats cars that cost three and four times what it cost but yet its compaired to them all the time. All I'm saying is for me it means nothing to beat a GT mustang because it's not the top model. I'm modding my camaro in hopes to beat most GT500's. Then again my buddy is a ford nut and he aways throws up the GT500 to me so I have something to prove.
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its because the gt500 has a forced induction system sitting on top of it. just like the z28 will more than likely have. u cant compare a FI engine to a NA engine
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its because the gt500 has a forced induction system sitting on top of it. just like the z28 will more than likely have. u cant compare a FI engine to a NA engine
So what your saying is a 3.8 supercharged grand prix can't be compaired to a camaro because it has a supercharger. That arugement makes no sense to me. Chevy was not limited to what they could build ,but they chose to build the camaro to match up to the middle of the road mustang. I don't want a camaro that can only beat the middle of the road. I want one that can beat fords top dog.
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