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Old 05-20-2010, 01:21 PM   #51
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A Z/28 will be a weekend toy for me as well but there are other things that need to be right for me, like does the car feel too big, wide and bulky or will it feel tight, taut and nimble or super heavy as some cars feel heavier or lighter than they really are. For instance, My V is a 4300 lb car(which I did test drive) but when I get in it, it doesn't feel that damn heavy. These are things that I look for in a car as to what will be perfect for me.

Even though it will be a weekend toy, it still has to be comfortable for me to drive as I will drive it hard and enjoy every damn penny that I spend on it.
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Old 05-20-2010, 01:30 PM   #52
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A Z/28 will be a weekend toy for me as well but there are other things that need to be right for me, like does the car feel too big, wide and bulky or will it feel tight, taut and nimble or super heavy as some cars feel heavier or lighter than they really are. For instance, My V is a 4300 lb car(which I did test drive) but when I get in it, it doesn't feel that damn heavy. These are things that I look for in a car as to what will be perfect for me.

Even though it will be a weekend toy, it still has to be comfortable for me to drive as I will drive it hard and enjoy every damn penny that I spend on it.
Good points!. As a V Owner I would expect that you would get treated better than most people off the street looking to go for a spin in a new Z28.

In my opinion the current Camaro is both too heavy AND too wide. But with the LS3 to start with and now the LSA that is in my car the car does not "feel" heavy. It actually feels a lot like cars that I have driven that were hundreds of pounds lighter.

I guess the good side of the current Camaro being heavy is that it should handle the additional power and torque of the LSA should it be offered.

In my Camaro the LSA acts like it was there from day one. I love it!

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Old 05-20-2010, 04:21 PM   #53
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At this point in time we can only make assumptions. But like a ZO6 or a ZR1 your not going to be able to get a test ride since most are sold already or the dealer is scared. Really they should be LOL.

Since they can sell every one of the specialty cars they won't need to allow test drives.

And if you need a test drive to determine if the car "feels" right to you then maybe your in the wrong market segment. I would guess that most Z28's if and when they are produced will be garage queens and weekend toys.

Not unlike most people that might buy a GT500.

Hell I have had many test drives in specialty cars, but they are few and far between.

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Good points!. As a V Owner I would expect that you would get treated better than most people off the street looking to go for a spin in a new Z28.

In my opinion the current Camaro is both too heavy AND too wide. But with the LS3 to start with and now the LSA that is in my car the car does not "feel" heavy. It actually feels a lot like cars that I have driven that were hundreds of pounds lighter.

I guess the good side of the current Camaro being heavy is that it should handle the additional power and torque of the LSA should it be offered.

In my Camaro the LSA acts like it was there from day one. I love it!

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Robin,

I read that there were no published results of simply running the LSA, stock, in your car. Do you have any times or data for a stock LSA in your car?

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Old 05-20-2010, 09:14 PM   #54
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I read that there were no published results of simply running the LSA, stock, in your car. Do you have any times or data for a stock LSA in your car?

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Oh damn, your 100% correct. I never ran this things stock, a fact that my guy at GMPP was unhappy about LOL.

Really what I was aiming for was a bolt on LSA. I mean really you think that anyone will leave their Z28 Stock

With that said the Z28 with a LSA would be a lot easier to mod than a 4valve 4 cam GT 500. Still a ton of potential.

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Old 05-21-2010, 01:12 PM   #55
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I actually think more people will leave them stock cause of the super strict GM warranties(if it'll be a daily driver), in fact that's the reason the only thing I've done to my V is add an exhaust, anything outside of that, you void your warranty. Now for the weekend warriors who won't put many miles on their Z's that won't apply much.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:21 PM   #56
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And if you need a test drive to determine if the car "feels" right to you then maybe your in the wrong market segment. I would guess that most Z28's if and when they are produced will be garage queens and weekend toys.

Not unlike most people that might buy a GT500.
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Old 05-21-2010, 04:38 PM   #57
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With that said the Z28 with a LSA would be a lot easier to mod than a 4valve 4 cam GT 500. Still a ton of potential.

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I dont know about that one. Have you looked at what those 4V 4 cam 5.4L are capeable of especially with such little mods pulley's, tune, TB (630whp) and such large mods like the world record holder at the Texas mile running a TT GT(1400whp) They have bolt on 1000rwhp kits for the GT500.

I not trying to bash the LSA its just not on par with the 5.4L until it gets forged internals
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I dont know about that one. Have you looked at what those 4V 4 cam 5.4L are capeable of especially with such little mods pulley's, tune, TB (630whp) and such large mods like the world record holder at the Texas mile running a TT GT(1400whp) They have bolt on 1000rwhp kits for the GT500.

I not trying to bash the LSA its just not on par with the 5.4L until it gets forged internals
FWIW - Though not as strong as a completely forged assembly, like a GT 5.4, it still has a forged steal crank, and good rods and pistons. It also has better head gaskets, oil squirters, and other features which don't exactly make it a slouch either
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FWIW - Though not as strong as a completely forged assembly, like a GT 5.4, it still has a forged steal crank, and good rods and pistons. It also has better head gaskets, oil squirters, and other features which don't exactly make it a slouch either
I believe the rods in a gt500 are forged powder metal, same as the LS3 and LSA???
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I believe the rods in a gt500 are forged powder metal, same as the LS3 and LSA???
It's my understanding the rods are Manley forgings or something (I forget the name and spelling, lol). They aren't PM.
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I think you're right on the PM for the LS3/LSA though.
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Old 05-21-2010, 05:25 PM   #62
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It's my understanding the rods are Manley forgings or something (I forget the name and spelling, lol). They aren't PM.
No, the rods in the GT500 are powder-forged units. The rods in the '03-'04 Cobra's, however, were fully-forged units sourced from Manley. Why they went away from that with the GT500's is a mystery to me.

Nonetheless, the rods in the GT500's have been proven to be able to handle 750+ rwhp consistently, without failure. That is, as long as you keep the rpm's below 6300. Try to spin the motor higher than that in the high-horsepower applications, and they will eventually fail.
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No, the rods in the GT500 are powder-forged units. The rods in the '03-'04 Cobra's, however, were fully-forged units sourced from Manley. Why they went away from that with the GT500's is a mystery to me.

Nonetheless, the rods in the GT500's have been proven to be able to handle 750+ rwhp consistently, without failure. That is, as long as you keep the rpm's below 6300. Try to spin the motor higher than that in the high-horsepower applications, and they will eventually fail.
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No, the rods in the GT500 are powder-forged units. The rods in the '03-'04 Cobra's, however, were fully-forged units sourced from Manley. Why they went away from that with the GT500's is a mystery to me.

Nonetheless, the rods in the GT500's have been proven to be able to handle 750+ rwhp consistently, without failure. That is, as long as you keep the rpm's below 6300. Try to spin the motor higher than that in the high-horsepower applications, and they will eventually fail.
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Hey in the long run its your car... your the one driving it everyday (I hope) but you can always buy a GT500 & wait until the Z28 comes out. Then you can sell the GT500 & buy the Z28
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