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Old 05-04-2010, 06:28 PM   #1
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$110 for a check engine light?

Dropped off the Camaro at the dealership for a check engine light. Car has just under 1k miles on it. I get a call from the service writer telling me it will be $110 to diagnose the problem because I have a CAI installed. Does that sound right? Is there something I should try first on my own before I shell out the $ for these guys to tell me the problem or are they just completely ripping me off because they see a mod on the car?
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:30 PM   #2
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Doc, I think you can buy your own code scanner for that much. Or take it down to a Pep Boys or Autozone and they will scan your code for free.
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:32 PM   #3
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The check engine light is probably caused by the CAI. Depending on the style some require a tune (voids warranty), others if they use an oil filter( K&N) might have some oil leeching off and getting on the MAF sensor.
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:40 PM   #4
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what if the problem is not the intake (which is more than likely is) cant you just put the stock one back on and take it to another dealer? and what brand intake do you have?
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:46 PM   #5
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You should have your OnStar trial still at this point as well. Hit the blue button and ask them to read the code remotely. Great feature. Shouldn't fail, but if for some odd reason it does, AutoZone stores and those similar (Advanced Auto, etc) will read it for free as well (though most refuse to clear it now).

Anyway to your original question, yeah that is BS. Car is under warranty still, they should at least read your code for free. Takes 10 seconds. If it turns out being your intake as the cause however, being that they are obviously dicks, they will put that on your "permanent record" which will be viewable by all dealers in the future. Might as well take the safe route before getting involved with them.

From the results posted by Jannetty, it doesn't look like the AirRaid should be causing you any issues in the first place though unless you tried to start the car with the MAFS unplugged or something silly during install. Test Results. If it DOES end up seeming related to the intake, throw the stock one back on and the light will likely turn itself off. Then you will have your confirmation and need to proceed with other troubleshooting steps for your intake (recheck seals, positionings, etc).
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:46 PM   #6
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They can only charge if it was caused by the CAI itself.............. Dont let them or anyone else tell you any different.

I see you have shorty headers as well I'm not sure if they will cause it but I know long tubes will.
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:52 PM   #7
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Thanks for the replies fellas...the light came on some 500ish miles after the CAI and shorites were installed. Per Jannetty's posts my CAI shouldn't cause the check engine light.

They have now decided to "cut me a break" and diagnose the problem for $85...what a deal! lol

Guess this is the road you go down when you start ANY mods.
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That is what they charge at all dealerships to diagnose problems, time limit is usually 1 hour.
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:00 PM   #10
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I would tell them to %$#@ off and get your car back. Take it to Autozone and have the code read for free. If it is a problem caused by your mods then fix it on your own. If it is unrelated they will print the code and you can take it to the dealer to fix. Total BS...
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:05 PM   #11
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Well, if the shorties, or CAI did indeed cause the code, why should that be warranty? At this point they are just covering their a$$es. You can't blame them for that. I would say either take somewhere else or tell them you will only pay IF your mods caused the codes.
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Push your OnStar button and they can tell you what the code is and what might be causing the problem, then come back to the forum and see if there is quick fix!!!!
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:13 PM   #13
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They should check it out for free and only charge you if it is something that is caused by you putting an aftermarket intake on it.. If an oxygen sensor is bad and caused the check engine light to come on and not by the cold air intake, then you should not have to pay anything...
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They should check it out for free and only charge you if it is something that is caused by you putting an aftermarket intake on it.. If an oxygen sensor is bad and caused the check engine light to come on and not by the cold air intake, then you should not have to pay anything...
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Push your OnStar button and they can tell you what the code is and what might be causing the problem, then come back to the forum and see if there is quick fix!!!!
Fantastic idea!
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Hey Doc! Remember when we both said we will never MOD our Camaros?
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:27 PM   #17
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Dont pay anything to have your code read. Take it to another dealer, tell them thanks but no thanks.
+1 Take it somewhere else, my dealer recommends which aftermarket parts should be installed and even installs some of them. I would order my corsa though them if they didn't charge $1800 installed.
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Let us know what the CEL is. I have gotten codes caused by a CAI before.

GM is looking at voiding warrenties because of CAI's. I don't really blame them. From what I've seen most of the CAI's throw the tune way off.I've seen L-terms max out at part throttle on some cars.
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How do they know your CAI caused the code?

Magnuson-Moss Act--- look it up.. They can't legally void/ not honor a warranty for something that is unrelated.


example- If you add an aftermarket radio, and your Windshield washer motor goes out-- they have to replace that part.. It is unrelated.

Now if you have an aftermarket radio/amp etc. on factory speakers, and the speaker blows-- the factory speaker will not be replaced.

Simple stuff.

If the CEL was determined to be caused by the CAI,, then you should pay the bill, but only if it is caused by CAI.



On Star Diagnostics would be a good idea.
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Old 05-05-2010, 02:44 AM   #20
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Let us know what the CEL is. I have gotten codes caused by a CAI before.

GM is looking at voiding warrenties because of CAI's. I don't really blame them. From what I've seen most of the CAI's throw the tune way off.I've seen L-terms max out at part throttle on some cars.
Can you name all the ones that throw your FT's off? I know of only 1 but I haven't seen the FT data from the ERA or VR units. The Volant is known to max out your LTFT's and throw a code. The majority of the rest have been proven to NOT alter your LTFT's much or at all. I know my Halltech was right about what the OEM setup did to LTFT's.
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Hey Doc! Remember when we both said we will never MOD our Camaros?
I do SSOOCH...a time long ago, far away! Awaiting the verdict this morning on what the light was for, I wish I had just pressed the damn on star button like the fellas here suggested. I'll let you all know what they have to say.
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Docholliday, I would tell them to stick it. I am so glad I have a great relationship with my dealer. They would never do something like that to me. I swear some of these dealers think this is the only car you will ever buy from them. I've done mods to cars that really affected the warranty to several cars over the years and my dealer always warranties the car. We should start posting the names of dealers like this so they can be outed for their poor customer service. Maybe there is already a thread like this I don't know.
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Let us know what the CEL is. I have gotten codes caused by a CAI before.

GM is looking at voiding warrenties because of CAI's. I don't really blame them. From what I've seen most of the CAI's throw the tune way off.I've seen L-terms max out at part throttle on some cars.
Slowhawk, please elaborate on your statement for me - for some reason common sense tells me, NO WAY! Ok sure, if I take my car to the dealer to get fixed with AM Parts on it that are related to the failure/repair issue sure - but just a Warno Light shouldn't just tell them to void my powertrain warranty. Would it?

That shouldn't void any warranty on the engine at all. Someone with more knowledge on this please help...

Doc: I am sorry it happened to you, but this is a good lesson for those who are in the process of installing/purchasing a CAI. Thanks for being our guinea-pig, brother!
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With your mods, you should probably pick up a code scanner - you can get a pretty nice one for under $100. I like the Actron scanners and they're available everywhere. Be sure to get one that also resets codes, so you can turn them off and see if they come back.

You might just have a loose gas cap.
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Slowhawk, please elaborate on your statement for me - for some reason common sense tells me, NO WAY! Ok sure, if I take my car to the dealer to get fixed with AM Parts on it that are related to the failure/repair issue sure - but just a Warno Light shouldn't just tell them to void my powertrain warranty. Would it?

That shouldn't void any warranty on the engine at all. Someone with more knowledge on this please help...

Doc: I am sorry it happened to you, but this is a good lesson for those who are in the process of installing/purchasing a CAI. Thanks for being our guinea-pig, brother!
That's right. It is illegal for the dealer to void a warranty just because a car has after market parts installed. The proper protocol would be to look at the car and determined what is causing the light to come on first and then see if it relates to the CAI ,and they have to prove that the CAI caused the light or they have to warranty the car. I wouldn't pay them a penny until they prove that the CAI caused the code.
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