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Old 05-07-2010, 07:32 PM   #15
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Old 05-07-2010, 11:35 PM   #16
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So, if a one off engine setup (Leno's) has the rumor mill going about the Z/28....I'll add another log, err engine to the fire!
Our Camaro club was invited to bring our cars to have them on display at The Vintage Grand Prix in Pittsburgh, Pa. I can't remember the year, but it had to have been around 2000 or a few years after that. We take our cars (mine an original '69 Z/28 i've owned since 1973) to the show where I met FbodFather for the first time. I remember talking to Scott and some other GM folks (they brought 3 camaros too) about various things. Scott wanted to hear my ole 302(chambered exhaust) run some, so I obliged....and he dang near cried I think! Then the conversation turns from my 302 to the one off 302 they were building/built for a 199x's Camaro that had been half destroyed. They were re-doing it for whatever reason and dropping this one off 302 into it. I've never heard anymore about this car. Maybe they'll redo a 302 with all this money they are pouring into v8s! Hey, anything is possible. With todays/tomorrows technology you could be shifting at 8,000 and making all the horsepower you would need. Food for thought?
Anyone else ever hear of this car? It was owned by GM at the time.

Oh,fwiw department, yes I still shift the ole 302 at 7000 a few times a year, although i only put about 150 miles a year on it. Ain't nothin' like a small block twisting up,up and up some more!
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I think it would be cool if they specaily made a smaller high reving V8. Can be tt or sc, I don't care if it was this case, but that would be financailly impossible. It would be like the good-old days though.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:17 AM   #18
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. A TTV6 Z28 (like Jay Leno's car) makes absolutely no sense. The only thing that might get carried over is the styling. Why doesn't it make sense? Well, it would deliver about the same power as an SS. With about the same weight as an SS. For more money than an SS. Probably with the same fuel economy too. While the V6 you start with is lighter than a V8 by 50-75 lbs, a pair of turbo chargers do not weigh 0 pounds. And their plumbing doesn't either. And neither does the intercooler. Plus, GM would have to extensive (and expensive) R&D for a low volume engine. So the millions upon millions of dollars spend on R&D and tooling would get spread across a small number of engines. The LSA has an assembly line running, its development paid for, and offers a lot bigger performance gain than a TTV6 would. The CAFE argument isn't too strong either. GM will sell around 5000 Z28's per year. Their total US fleet is in the millions, so several thousand Z28's getting something like 15/21 will hardly be felt. Strangely, the SS will likely be a bigger strain on their CAFE score than the Z28 will, due to volume.
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Well just looking at previous years the Z28 has never had more power output than the SS (if I'm not mistaken). No matter what if the Z28 has an LSA and ends up with 556 HP it won't compare to some of the Mustangs, and definitely won't compare to the GT500 price wise. The GT500 starts at $48,000 and has 550 HP, to compare the CTS-V has 556 HP and starts at $62,000. Also to top it off the Mustang is lighter, it just wouldn't make sense for GM to do something like the Z28 and have it be a S/C V8.
and? you are taking history and trying to fit it to your expectations. plus the CTS-V is a luxury car. the engine is only a $13,000 engine. while the LS3 I believe is around 6k in itself. so it's only a 7 k upgrade just for the engine. there are many threads that break the pricing down on how easy it would be to compete with price on the GT500. and just because the lsa is 556 hp in the CTS doesn't mean it would be that in the camaro. just look at the V-6 for a quick example. the camaro gets 6 more horses. . .just a start.

And who says it can't be a Gen V engine with direct injection. . .? you are speculating on a car that hasn't even been confirmed by official channels. who knows what's under the hood.

the comment about the mustang being lighter. that doesn't matter in the 1320 according to what I recently read in car and driver. the mustang still did a 13.2 while the camaro did a 13.0. obviously something that close is going to be a drivers race but it's still a point. if the car performs you can't really say too much about it's weight. and think about it. If it performs and you can drop weight personally. think how much better it would perform then.

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I've said it before, I'll say it again. A TTV6 Z28 (like Jay Leno's car) makes absolutely no sense. The only thing that might get carried over is the styling. Why doesn't it make sense? Well, it would deliver about the same power as an SS. With about the same weight as an SS. For more money than an SS. Probably with the same fuel economy too. While the V6 you start with is lighter than a V8 by 50-75 lbs, a pair of turbo chargers do not weigh 0 pounds. And their plumbing doesn't either. And neither does the intercooler. Plus, GM would have to extensive (and expensive) R&D for a low volume engine. So the millions upon millions of dollars spend on R&D and tooling would get spread across a small number of engines. The LSA has an assembly line running, its development paid for, and offers a lot bigger performance gain than a TTV6 would. The CAFE argument isn't too strong either. GM will sell around 5000 Z28's per year. Their total US fleet is in the millions, so several thousand Z28's getting something like 15/21 will hardly be felt. Strangely, the SS will likely be a bigger strain on their CAFE score than the Z28 will, due to volume.

thank you my point exactly (first post) better explained. . .
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I'm under the impression that the TTV6 was a feeler to see how people responded to a Camaro with that configuration. After all, GM is working on a 3.0L TTV6 that might go into a future Camaro and other products. The Leno car also may have been a feeler for a different styling package. The response was very positive for the hood and fog light assemblies. This styling package could be a Z28, just as rumor has predicted.

We can only speculate until GM tells us something solid.
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I hope they produce more than 5000.
If people are willing to buy them they should make them. The more they sell the more money they make and the happier the customer is.
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I hope they produce more than 5000.
If people are willing to buy them they should make them. The more they sell the more money they make and the happier the customer is.
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That was a guess on my part. Could be 10,000. But there just isn't a market to support tens of thousands of Z28's each year. It will be roughly in line, in terms of volume, as the SRT8's and the GT500's.
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Just an FYI ppl like you get flamed a lot on this site!
40 posts and already saying something like this???
To me it just sounds ignorant
Camaro's shouldn't be offered as a v6? Name one year in the HISTORY of the camaro that a V6 wasn't offered.
This is a public forum and If u feel like their should be a v6 then you're entitled to your opinion , I'm just using this forum to express mine. Have I tried to tell anyone on here that they can't have their opinion, isn't this a free country. I see there are other people on here that feel the same, why didn't you dog them out too
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This is a public forum and If u feel like their should be a v6 then you're entitled to your opinion , I'm just using this forum to express mine. Have I tried to tell anyone on here that they can't have their opinion, isn't this a free country. I see there are other people on here that feel the same, why didn't you dog them out too
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I have a feeling that the Z28 is going to be a lot like the Jay Leno car, too many hints and with cafe standards it's gonna be hard not to be. They might just offer a special edition SS with the S/C, too many company's with Superchargers for the Camaro for GM to do it too. I'm thinking Twin Turbo 6 with racing suspension/brakes etc. input, ideas? Try to keep it clean guys, just asking opinions, check out the Poll.
I'm seeing CTS-V power with CTS-V brakes. LSA has a nice price and with the exception of the intercooler upper manifold, it would drop in with what seems like (at least what's been posted so far) minimal fuss. The rotors and calipers look to bolt right up. Maybe some aluminum in the cradles and control arms. That might make up for some of the added weight of the components above, and adding 30-40 more horses to the CTS-Vs 556 I think would get it dang close, if not better, the the '11 GT500 (I'm leaving out more chassis/suspension tuning).

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I dont think anyone else has come up with this idea yet...(not gunna say im 100% sure about that tho)

What if GM released a TT z28 and a LS9 ZL1

Just saying it would fit with what they represent. The Z28 being a high-revving track car and the ZL1 being a monster

I know its a long shot...but just throwing it out there...
IMVHO - I can see the Leno car for body mods' only. As far as a ZL1 - I don't see that happening, not for a while, if anything. If enthusiasm remains what it is now, I might see that be a possibility in the future (like a Cobra Jet model or something), but I think it'd be too expensive for Camaro. I won't say that I wouldn't want it to be an option though, just like I think it'd be great to see a TT V6; just not in Z28.

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I already have my SS but they shouldn't even offer the Camaro with a V6, much less a Z28 with a V6,V8, monster cubes, Supercharger or Turboed, and a race level automatic tranny
V6 is a good idea for those that value the looks more than the performance (or just don't need all that performance). Though the V6 model doesn't seem to be the popular model than many thought would keep Camaro healthy (sales-wise) initially, I think it will do just that over the following years. I believe much of the initial Camaro sales were from the faithful, and the true success of Camaro will be sustained with V6 models. Not everyone needs, or wants, 400+ horsepower. How often, really, can one use it anyways, lol.

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Just an FYI ppl like you get flamed a lot on this site!
40 posts and already saying something like this???
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Camaro's shouldn't be offered as a v6? Name one year in the HISTORY of the camaro that a V6 wasn't offered.
Don't feed the flaming. Opinions are allowed; how they are stated is another matter...

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Well just looking at previous years the Z28 has never had more power output than the SS (if I'm not mistaken). No matter what if the Z28 has an LSA and ends up with 556 HP it won't compare to some of the Mustangs, and definitely won't compare to the GT500 price wise. The GT500 starts at $48,000 and has 550 HP, to compare the CTS-V has 556 HP and starts at $62,000. Also to top it off the Mustang is lighter, it just wouldn't make sense for GM to do something like the Z28 and have it be a S/C V8.
There was also no SS in Camaro's line-up for something like a couple decades, too... Who's to say Z28 will even have LSA, and that, even if it did, that it would have only 556 horse'? CTS-V has a pretty choked exhaust, for noise I suspect, so why couldn't a few more horses be freed with bigger pipes, an X-pipe (like ZR1), and some higher flowing mufflers with more aggressive sound? I do agree that 556 horse' and all the weight LSA would add to the chassis and suspension would probably not keep it close enough to the GT500, but I really don't think that it would be left with only that much power. I can't prove it; I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.

The '10 2SS starts at $34K; I think Z28 would be based off of this trim level. I think adding LSA and CTS-V brakes, along with other enhancements I've outlined already, would make it comparable to the GT500; there might be a premium that SS had over the Mustang initially, but I think it would be justified with the IRS and a few other features. My bottom line is that I think with the validation that GM already has with these major components on other cars would make engineering costs more feasible and keep Z28 costs close enough to the GT500.

I can't prove any of it though, lol. JMVHOs, just like yours

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I've said it before, I'll say it again. A TTV6 Z28 (like Jay Leno's car) makes absolutely no sense. The only thing that might get carried over is the styling. Why doesn't it make sense? Well, it would deliver about the same power as an SS. With about the same weight as an SS. For more money than an SS. Probably with the same fuel economy too. While the V6 you start with is lighter than a V8 by 50-75 lbs, a pair of turbo chargers do not weigh 0 pounds. And their plumbing doesn't either. And neither does the intercooler. Plus, GM would have to extensive (and expensive) R&D for a low volume engine. So the millions upon millions of dollars spend on R&D and tooling would get spread across a small number of engines. The LSA has an assembly line running, its development paid for, and offers a lot bigger performance gain than a TTV6 would. The CAFE argument isn't too strong either. GM will sell around 5000 Z28's per year. Their total US fleet is in the millions, so several thousand Z28's getting something like 15/21 will hardly be felt. Strangely, the SS will likely be a bigger strain on their CAFE score than the Z28 will, due to volume.


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I'm under the impression that the TTV6 was a feeler to see how people responded to a Camaro with that configuration. After all, GM is working on a 3.0L TTV6 that might go into a future Camaro and other products. The Leno car also may have been a feeler for a different styling package. The response was very positive for the hood and fog light assemblies. This styling package could be a Z28, just as rumor has predicted.

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I already have my SS but they shouldn't even offer the Camaro with a V6, much less a Z28 with a V6,V8, monster cubes, Supercharger or Turboed, and a race level automatic tranny

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