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Old 10-14-2008, 11:01 AM   #1
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WITH ALL RESPECT QUESTION REGARDING NEW CAMARO!!!

I have not posted anything on Camaro 5 for a few weeks. I was very excited to go to the Indy Bash "Great Time"!!! I waited years to see the new production Camaro in person and I did. I was all set to buy a Super Charged Z28 no matter what the price was. I came to the reality that an SS was what I was going to have to settle for. When I was driving home from Indy my buddies said are you alright? I said not really, I don't think I am going to spend at that time my quess was $38,000 to $40,000 on a car that really isn't what I wanted. I was pumped that the muscle car wars are back and that GM would have to build a Super Charged Camaro to compete with the Shelby. I have had a bad feeling since after Indy. I own one of each gerneration of Camaro's and for the first time in my life I switched from my true love and bought a Corvette. I go into my garage and see all Camaro's and a Corvette. It makes me feel weird to see a Corvette in my garage but I wanted the power and weight savings. I am not trying to put the new Camaro down and I am not saying the new Camaro isn't AWSOME witch it is! I quess what I am asking is this: Does anyone on this forum feel like me? Does anyone feel like GM gave us a Camaro and not the whole package? I am not trying to start a fight or degrade the car, this is just how I feel. Being an owner of over 30 Camaro's through out the years. Please do not be negitive I am just sharing my thoughts on how I feel and seeing if anyone feels the same. Thank you, IROCZJEFF
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:08 AM   #2
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The Corvette is always going to be the lighter, more nimble performance machine. If you can get a Corvette to put in your garage, you should feel proud, not ashamed.

The 2010 Camaro is a little heavy, but it is faster than the pony car competition, faster than the import competition, and better looking than almost anything out there if you're into that muscle car look.

It makes sense that there would be some doubts surrounding this car. It's pretty amazing. The price hurts a little more than expected, but the Camaro is still a killer bargain. At $30,995, the 1SS is faster and hotter than cars for much more than that. You won't find a car this unique for so little.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:15 AM   #3
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Very well put! I quess I just thought that since the Camaro was the last muscle car to be released Gm would have thrown everything at it. Thanks again for the great comment. IROCZJEFF
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:21 AM   #4
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Very well put! I quess I just thought that since the Camaro was the last muscle car to be released Gm would have thrown everything at it. Thanks again for the great comment. IROCZJEFF
Historically, GM has almost never "thrown everything at it" in the first year of a new model.

Instead, it's been GM's pattern to steadily develop new models.

The C6 Corvette, for example, arrived in 2005; a year later, the Z06 model was introduced. And now, the ZR1 for 2009.

I would not be surprised to see the Camaro follow a similar trajectory.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:32 AM   #5
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Very well put! I quess I just thought that since the Camaro was the last muscle car to be released Gm would have thrown everything at it. Thanks again for the great comment. IROCZJEFF
Buy a SS with whatever goodies you desire, and then stuff twin turbo's or a supercharger on it from the aftermarket. You know the aftermarket companies will have these available very quickly.
It sounds like the SS drivetrain will handle it too.

Sounds like you will always want one, so go for it!

You will feel better.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:35 AM   #6
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at least you kept it in the family Jeff.... but you do realize that your collection is not complete, and you will have to buy a 5th gen eventually right....lol
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:38 AM   #7
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IMO the Z28 will follow about a year after the release of the convertible, (which will probly not hit the streets until 2010). Be patient and have faith.
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Old 10-14-2008, 12:35 PM   #8
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One thing is for sure, I will own a new Camaro. It just depends on POWER PLANT. Great thread, I am glad everyone is giving good feeback without any negitivity. We are all on this websight because of how much we like Camaro's. Jeff
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Old 10-14-2008, 12:36 PM   #9
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"Almost anything?"

The reason you used the word "almost" is because you've seen the new Challenger, right?



Not at the car....but at your comment.
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Old 10-14-2008, 12:50 PM   #10
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Does anyone on this forum feel like me? Does anyone feel like GM gave us a Camaro and not the whole package?
+1, Yes.

I was hoping for an LS9 powered 5th gen Camaro. Not so concerned by the badge it wears. SS, Z28, ZL1.

It's okay tho. I can wait. And if it never comes, so be it. Now we need to see what GM and the Camaro will look like at the other end of these current economic times...
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Old 10-14-2008, 01:26 PM   #11
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IMO the Z28 will follow about a year after the release of the convertible, (which will probly not hit the streets until 2010). Be patient and have faith.
I totally agree............there is no doubt I'm buying a new Camaro......but somehow I have been able to convince myself to wait for the big one
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Old 10-14-2008, 01:38 PM   #12
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I am getting and already ordered a 2SS/RS. I will either trade or keep it and buy a Z28 or whatever high power Camaro GM may build later. I'm happy to have an SS for now, it willl be worth the wait, and i'll have some pretty damn good muscle while we're waiting.
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Old 10-16-2008, 04:29 PM   #14
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I quess what I am asking is this: Does anyone on this forum feel like me? Does anyone feel like GM gave us a Camaro and not the whole package?
No. /thread.

To be more specific... After 35 years of offering cars with peak hp in the 300s with only special editions supposedly getting 430hp (ZL1), you're complaining about not getting a 550hp monster Camaro?

The Current Camaro is probably going to be the fastest if not the second fastest (second possibly to the 4th gen ss that was known to run 12s in the 1/4) Camaro ever. And undoubtedly the best all around car with it's fully independent suspension and brembos. Not to mention the 'ring tuning done on it which is a first for a Camaro.

The Z/28 is most likely a no-go. That's too bad because it'd be nice to see it beat up on the other entrants in that class. But really. You feel let down by the fastest, most powerful and best handling Camaro ever?

Granted the Camaro will not hang with a Vette, but the SS is in a different class.
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Old 10-16-2008, 04:39 PM   #15
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Okay if they debuted with a 350hp SS and a 430hp z28, would you then consider that the Camaro program was complete. Would you then have bought the Z28? You said you have many previous camaros do any of them have anywhere near 422hp?
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Old 10-16-2008, 04:48 PM   #16
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The Camaro is everything I was looking for, except for a few very minor details. I bought the 2SS/RS and plan to make it my own.

Although, if I had the money and one of every generation Camaro in my garage, i'd have bought a Vette too!...then held out for a 2nd or 3rd year 5th generation.
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Old 10-16-2008, 05:39 PM   #18
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I have not posted anything on Camaro 5 for a few weeks. I was very excited to go to the Indy Bash "Great Time"!!! I waited years to see the new production Camaro in person and I did. I was all set to buy a Super Charged Z28 no matter what the price was. I came to the reality that an SS was what I was going to have to settle for. When I was driving home from Indy my buddies said are you alright? I said not really, I don't think I am going to spend at that time my quess was $38,000 to $40,000 on a car that really isn't what I wanted. I was pumped that the muscle car wars are back and that GM would have to build a Super Charged Camaro to compete with the Shelby. I have had a bad feeling since after Indy. I own one of each gerneration of Camaro's and for the first time in my life I switched from my true love and bought a Corvette. I go into my garage and see all Camaro's and a Corvette. It makes me feel weird to see a Corvette in my garage but I wanted the power and weight savings. I am not trying to put the new Camaro down and I am not saying the new Camaro isn't AWSOME witch it is! I quess what I am asking is this: Does anyone on this forum feel like me? Does anyone feel like GM gave us a Camaro and not the whole package? I am not trying to start a fight or degrade the car, this is just how I feel. Being an owner of over 30 Camaro's through out the years. Please do not be negitive I am just sharing my thoughts on how I feel and seeing if anyone feels the same. Thank you, IROCZJEFF
I ended up feeling that way after the pricing came out unfortunately. To top it all off i went by the pontiac/GMC dealership, and what do you know, there is a '05 LS2 GTO sitting there. Everything i want in a car is right there, and it is listed at 17k with 23k miles on it. It has really tested my loyalty. I would absolutely LOVE a camaro, but the more i look at it, it just looks a little too expensive for what i want. I guess i'll just have to wait it out and see. If i could find a camaro for that same price at the same type of specs (couple years old, low mileage, it would be a no brainer.
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It is a little heavy, but it's still the best performing, best built Camaro ever. How can you be dissapointed with that. I don't understand why people thought a supercharged version would be out the first year anyway. Besides, you can always put an aftermarket supercharger on it. Sounds to me like you're getting older and wanted an upgrade to the Corvette, it just feels weird cause you're so used to having Camaro's. You feel like you cheated on your wife. Seriously though, there's nothing to be ashamed of by having a Corvette.
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Hold off for aftermarket. I don't mean stuff that you have to put on. I mean from dealers that want to offer up special editions. You will be able to buy from those types of dealers...as long as they ahve allocation.
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I have not posted anything on Camaro 5 for a few weeks. I was very excited to go to the Indy Bash "Great Time"!!! I waited years to see the new production Camaro in person and I did. I was all set to buy a Super Charged Z28 no matter what the price was. I came to the reality that an SS was what I was going to have to settle for. When I was driving home from Indy my buddies said are you alright? I said not really, I don't think I am going to spend at that time my quess was $38,000 to $40,000 on a car that really isn't what I wanted. I was pumped that the muscle car wars are back and that GM would have to build a Super Charged Camaro to compete with the Shelby. I have had a bad feeling since after Indy. I own one of each gerneration of Camaro's and for the first time in my life I switched from my true love and bought a Corvette. I go into my garage and see all Camaro's and a Corvette. It makes me feel weird to see a Corvette in my garage but I wanted the power and weight savings. I am not trying to put the new Camaro down and I am not saying the new Camaro isn't AWSOME witch it is! I quess what I am asking is this: Does anyone on this forum feel like me? Does anyone feel like GM gave us a Camaro and not the whole package? I am not trying to start a fight or degrade the car, this is just how I feel. Being an owner of over 30 Camaro's through out the years. Please do not be negitive I am just sharing my thoughts on how I feel and seeing if anyone feels the same. Thank you, IROCZJEFF
I also agree with u totally, except I haven't bought a Corvette yet. I also left Indy very dejected. Great post
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I don't really understand a couple of things, call me stupid.....Going to Indy everyone knew that there was NOT going to be a Z28 made, at least in the near future.....It's hard to tell what the future may hold, but right now it's a no go.........

You didn't say if the vette was new or used and what model it was C5 C6.....However as of right now the Camaro with the manual has more HP than the base C6 and only 8 less than the C6 with the Z06 exhaust.....Correct me if I'm wrong.......

Now with the Vette being 15-20k more than lets say your 1SS I would think thats a better deal of the two. That leaves a whole lot more for upgrades........

I'm not bashing Vettes, love them and own one. Blast to drive.

The thing that I don't understand is everyone is upset that GM is not producing a high HP car. I don't recall GM offically make that statement. It was all speculation.
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