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06stalliongt · 10-14-2008, 05:38 PM

ive been registered to this site a little over a year now i havent posted much but i have been paying close attention to the devolpment of the new camaro using this site im on here everyday...my final verdict is its everything gm said it would be n it is truly amazing...that being said...THE PRICING OF THIS CAR IS LUDACRIS!!! GM just cant get it rite...y would they put a 30k(after tax n all the other charges) v6 in the lineup!!! and a true ss2 that will be in the high 30k maybe even 40k after adding the options we all wnt...cuz the ss1 dosent have some options that the ss2 has...there is no mid level v8 n if there was a majority of us would be going after...i hate to say it but i think ford and dodge have it rite... (2 v8's in the line up) nobody really wnts to drive a v6 camaro thats just how its always been n how it always will be...i knw im gonna hear alot of crap about this frm u guys...but its my opinion

kdbolt70 · 10-14-2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06stalliongt

ive been registered to this site a little over a year now i havent posted much but i have been paying close attention to the devolpment of the new camaro using this site im on here everyday...my final verdict is its everything gm said it would be n it is truly amazing...that being said...THE PRICING OF THIS CAR IS LUDACRIS!!! GM just cant get it rite...y would they put a 30k(after tax n all the other charges) v6 in the lineup!!! and a true ss2 that will be in the high 30k maybe even 40k after adding the options we all wnt...cuz the ss1 dosent have some options that the ss2 has...there is no mid level v8 n if there was a majority of us would be going after...i hate to say it but i think ford and dodge have it rite... (2 v8's in the line up) nobody really wnts to drive a v6 camaro thats just how its always been n how it always will be...i knw im gonna hear alot of crap about this frm u guys...but its my opinion

Show me a better deal on the planet for a vehicle of this caliber. Please.

Perhaps all the bells and whistles do add a fair amount to the price, but you're speaking in V-6's and V-8's not in nav screens and bluetooth. Show me a 300hp+ 23k car or a 420hp+ 31k car. I dare you.

the 30k after TTL V6 is still a 300hp car. And it is fully loaded. There's something to be said for a rumble of a V8, but its really how fast she goes, not how many cylinders it has. I really don't see how the pricing is "LUDACRIS", when you take a look at hp/dollar it has every other car on the market beat by $10. You're right, there's nothing that lines up parallel to the Mustang GT, but does there need to be? The V6 is going to be close to it performance wise, and for another $3k on top of the GT price you can blow its doors off with an SS. *shrugs*

ucla1ove3 · 10-14-2008, 05:45 PM

he is not talking about performance completely here, he is talking about convenience and goodies which everyone wants unless it's going to be a strict race car.

Jamestwilliams · 10-14-2008, 05:48 PM

He is a mustang fan, a grain of salt should be used here.

ucla1ove3 · 10-14-2008, 05:51 PM

he's a sports car fan, don't hate.

FenwickHockey65 · 10-14-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06stalliongt

nobody really wnts to drive a v6 camaro thats just how its always been n how it always will be...i knw im gonna hear alot of crap about this frm u guys...but its my opinion

I want a V6 Camaro. Along with a ton of other people on this site. Don't be so quick to assume that everyone will go for the V8.

Jamestwilliams · 10-14-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ucla1ove3

he's a sports car fan, don't hate.

I wasn't hating on him for being a mustang fan, I just mean the degree of the rant should be taken with a grain of salt that's all.

Craig · 10-14-2008, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06stalliongt

THE PRICING OF THIS CAR IS LUDACRIS!!!

ucla1ove3 · 10-14-2008, 06:00 PM

i want a v6 too. i don't have the money for a v8. nor do i wanna die when the pain at the pump comes back in like 6 months. and also like most people i don't want a stripped car, i love goodies, leather, ambient lighting, halos, BA sound... everthing, so ill get a loaded LT2RS.... hopefully, as long as i can get my friends GM employee discount to work

06stalliongt · 10-14-2008, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamestwilliams

He is a mustang fan, a grain of salt should be used here.

heres my list of cars ive owned to prove ur statement wrong:
1884 Trans Am
1989 Camaro IROC Z
2002 Trans Am ws.6
2006 Monte Carlo SS V8
2008 Chevy Avalanche

and one 2006 Mustang GT cause i wasnt crazy bout the monte carlo and there were no other sports cars out there...i think my devotion to gm is strong enough...wouldnt u agree?

All Im sayin is yeah i respect the technology of a 300hp V6 but muscle cars arent about that...there about balls to the wall power wrapped in an attention grabbing exterior that turns heads and wont put a hole in your pocket

kdbolt70 · 10-14-2008, 06:22 PM

Nevermind... not going there.

FenwickHockey65 · 10-14-2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06stalliongt

All Im sayin is yeah i respect the technology of a 300hp V6 but muscle cars arent about that...there about balls to the wall power wrapped in an attention grabbing exterior that turns heads and wont put a hole in your pocket

Yes...but welcome to 2008. Gas prices are through the roof. Would I love to have a 2SS model? Hell yes. Can I afford one? No. Can I afford the gas for it? No. But, I will be able to afford a 2LT model with pretty much the same features as the 2SS for less money, better fuel economy, but still have great performance.

The_Stache · 10-14-2008, 06:33 PM

I am in the same boat.. unfortunately its SLIGHTLY higher than I thought it would be and I believe I can get it down to invoice.

That said..

YES its a great deal for what you are getting, NO its a $h1tty deal compared to the mustang. GM wanted to compete on the mustangs level.. but are too far above it content wise.

Basically these are 2 cars in separate categories (AGAIN) and the mustang will sell more based on price ALONE. This is where GM screwed up.. yes they wanted to give us more content.. but they need to price it LIKE a mustang regardless of content.

Personally I think they should have cut back content to compete better on price. But we have to live with what they did.

Edit: final thought... Content doesn't sell cars... PRICE sells cars. The general public is going to hear 30k for a v8 and immediately head to the mustang becuase its a v8 and cheaper.

garfin · 10-14-2008, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06stalliongt

ive been registered to this site a little over a year now i havent posted much but i have been paying close attention to the devolpment of the new camaro using this site im on here everyday...my final verdict is its everything gm said it would be n it is truly amazing...that being said...THE PRICING OF THIS CAR IS LUDACRIS!!! GM just cant get it rite...y would they put a 30k(after tax n all the other charges) v6 in the lineup!!! and a true ss2 that will be in the high 30k maybe even 40k after adding the options we all wnt...cuz the ss1 dosent have some options that the ss2 has...there is no mid level v8 n if there was a majority of us would be going after...i hate to say it but i think ford and dodge have it rite... (2 v8's in the line up) nobody really wnts to drive a v6 camaro thats just how its always been n how it always will be...i knw im gonna hear alot of crap about this frm u guys...but its my opinion

#1 Glad to meet another enthusiast! Hope you're enjoying the rebirth of reasonably priced power and performance!! (not to mention style and presence!!) FWIW, "presence" is not the same as a Christmas present...
#2 When trying to get your point across and establish legitimacy, proper spelling and correct grammar really does go a long way.
#3 "Ludacris" is a group - not an adjective. (thank you for spelling Camaro correctly!)

#4 So you think nobody wants to drive a V6 Camaro... because "that's how it's always been"?
Oh man, for your information, that was yesterday... and today is now. I have driven the V6 Camaro and to put it in the simplest of terms, IT'S JUST FREAKIN' AWESOME. This car is a huge surprise and just joy to drive!
#5 1SS is simply one of the best, if not the best performance car values that's been made available to our market in a very long time - most likely since before when you were born... but... that doesn't necessarily make you a bad person!

#6 No mid-level V8 is a concern for you?!?
Here's a philosophy you can take to the bank:
"ANYTHING WORTH DOING, IS WORTH OVERDOING
We don't need no steenkin' "mid-level" V8s - especially with a V6 car that runs 0-60 times in 6 seconds... or less!!

#7 Do your homework, and the math... so that you find a way to get your prices right... and then make your comparisons!
#8 Thank you for your post and allowing me the opportunity to do this!!!

I've had an absolute blast!
I'm looking forward to meeting you and seeing you in your new 5th Gen!! What color do you think you might be ordering?!?

Best regardSS,

Elie

ucla1ove3 · 10-14-2008, 06:48 PM

garfin... ahahahahahahaahahahahahahah lmao ^^

kylepo · 10-14-2008, 06:58 PM

I wonder if this guy realizes that the starting price for a 2009 challenger R/T is $30,990 and the camaro 1SS starts at $30,995 so are we going to really argue about a 5 dollar difference??? And I think we all know which of the two cars will be faster.

blackZbandit · 10-14-2008, 07:00 PM

Hate to quote my own post but...

YellrRS · 10-14-2008, 07:09 PM

Here was my thought process on v6 vs. v8. It wasnt the cylinders, but the horsepower. The v6 has over 300 horse, and thats at least what the 60's Z28 had if I remember correctly.

At the pump it will take regular, get better gas mileage, and probably be less to insure. What adjustment I will make, is to the exhaust note. After that I will be plenty fast, and sounding good

rlg3 · 10-14-2008, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I am in the same boat.. unfortunately its SLIGHTLY higher than I thought it would be and I believe I can get it down to invoice.

That said..

YES its a great deal for what you are getting, NO its a $h1tty deal compared to the mustang. GM wanted to compete on the mustangs level.. but are too far above it content wise.

Basically these are 2 cars in separate categories (AGAIN) and the mustang will sell more based on price ALONE. This is where GM screwed up.. yes they wanted to give us more content.. but they need to price it LIKE a mustang regardless of content.

Personally I think they should have cut back content to compete better on price. But we have to live with what they did.

Edit: final thought... Content doesn't sell cars... PRICE sells cars. The general public is going to hear 30k for a v8 and immediately head to the mustang becuase its a v8 and cheaper.

+1

rlg3 · 10-14-2008, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garfin

#1 Glad to meet another enthusiast! Hope you're enjoying the rebirth of reasonably priced power and performance!! (not to mention style and presence!!) FWIW, "presence" is not the same as a Christmas present...
#2 When trying to get your point across and establish legitimacy, proper spelling and correct grammar really does go a long way.
#3 "Ludacris" is a group - not an adjective. (thank you for spelling Camaro correctly!)

#4 So you think nobody wants to drive a V6 Camaro... because "that's how it's always been"?
Oh man, for your information, that was yesterday... and today is now. I have driven the V6 Camaro and to put it in the simplest of terms, IT'S JUST FREAKIN' AWESOME. This car is a huge surprise and just joy to drive!
#5 1SS is simply one of the best, if not the best performance car values that's been made available to our market in a very long time - most likely since before when you were born... but... that doesn't necessarily make you a bad person!

#6 No mid-level V8 is a concern for you?!?
Here's a philosophy you can take to the bank:
"ANYTHING WORTH DOING, IS WORTH OVERDOING
We don't need no steenkin' "mid-level" V8s - especially with a V6 car that runs 0-60 times in 6 seconds... or less!!

#7 Do your homework, and the math... so that you find a way to get your prices right... and then make your comparisons!
#8 Thank you for your post and allowing me the opportunity to do this!!!

I've had an absolute blast!
I'm looking forward to meeting you and seeing you in your new 5th Gen!! What color do you think you might be ordering?!?

Best regardSS,

Elie

ludacris is not group he is a solo artist

camaro5 · 10-14-2008, 07:16 PM

Outside the Camaro world there are people who feel it is priced too high. It's not cheap, let's face it.

The Ford engineers went through a giant battle in'05 with their beancounters regarding independant rear suspension. The beancounters won. Solid rear axle is too retro for me, and most people.

So think of the Camaro as getting a modern design, that is also fresh, and comes with an interior with some style. IRS would cost you more than $2000 in the Mustang, if they offered it.

The restyled 2010 Mustang is just that...The same thing re-styled. Not my first car choice, but on my list. I like everything fun to drive.

I was all set for Camaro official pricing...Think Pontiac G8 GT and G8 GXP, the Camaro are sister and brother in more ways than one.

And BTW, we welcome Mustang owners here, GM wants and needs to earn your business.

kylepo · 10-14-2008, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I am in the same boat.. unfortunately its SLIGHTLY higher than I thought it would be and I believe I can get it down to invoice.

That said..

YES its a great deal for what you are getting, NO its a $h1tty deal compared to the mustang. GM wanted to compete on the mustangs level.. but are too far above it content wise.

Basically these are 2 cars in separate categories (AGAIN) and the mustang will sell more based on price ALONE. This is where GM screwed up.. yes they wanted to give us more content.. but they need to price it LIKE a mustang regardless of content.

Personally I think they should have cut back content to compete better on price. But we have to live with what they did.

Edit: final thought... Content doesn't sell cars... PRICE sells cars. The general public is going to hear 30k for a v8 and immediately head to the mustang becuase its a v8 and cheaper.

your right price does sell cars thats why you can get a 300 hp camaro for $22,545 and a 300 hp mustang for $26,775 and the $22,545 car has more content

JMAN311 · 10-14-2008, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06stalliongt

.........All Im sayin is yeah i respect the technology of a 300hp V6 but muscle cars arent about that...there about balls to the wall power wrapped in an attention grabbing exterior that turns heads and wont put a hole in your pocket

So a 300hp V6 isn't "balls to the wall power" but a 300hp mustang V8 for $3K more is?

Reborn · 10-14-2008, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMAN311

So a 300hp V6 isn't "balls to the wall power" but a 300hp mustang V8 for $3K more is?

heavyt100 · 10-14-2008, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I am in the same boat.. unfortunately its SLIGHTLY higher than I thought it would be and I believe I can get it down to invoice.

That said..

YES its a great deal for what you are getting, NO its a $h1tty deal compared to the mustang. GM wanted to compete on the mustangs level.. but are too far above it content wise.

Basically these are 2 cars in separate categories (AGAIN) and the mustang will sell more based on price ALONE. This is where GM screwed up.. yes they wanted to give us more content.. but they need to price it LIKE a mustang regardless of content.

Personally I think they should have cut back content to compete better on price. But we have to live with what they did.

Edit: final thought... Content doesn't sell cars... PRICE sells cars. The general public is going to hear 30k for a v8 and immediately head to the mustang becuase its a v8 and cheaper.

I'm OK with people buying Mustangs on price alone.

It only means my Camaro will be built sooner.

That's not a bad thing.

10-14-2008, 06:22 PM	#11
kdbolt70 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Haslett, Mi Posts: 1,287 View My Garage	Nevermind... not going there. __________________ 2SS/RS Victory Red M6 w/ Black Rallys #3305 Muffler Delete, Lloyd "SS" Floormats, K&N Aircharger, Skip Shift Eliminator, Blacked Bowties

10-14-2008, 06:33 PM	#13
The_Stache SoCal Race Team #13 Drives: 2010 1SS:RS:LS3:SW Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,627 View My Garage	I am in the same boat.. unfortunately its SLIGHTLY higher than I thought it would be and I believe I can get it down to invoice. That said.. YES its a great deal for what you are getting, NO its a $h1tty deal compared to the mustang. GM wanted to compete on the mustangs level.. but are too far above it content wise. Basically these are 2 cars in separate categories (AGAIN) and the mustang will sell more based on price ALONE. This is where GM screwed up.. yes they wanted to give us more content.. but they need to price it LIKE a mustang regardless of content. Personally I think they should have cut back content to compete better on price. But we have to live with what they did. Edit: final thought... Content doesn't sell cars... PRICE sells cars. The general public is going to hear 30k for a v8 and immediately head to the mustang becuase its a v8 and cheaper. __________________ A.K.A - Diarmadhi (old handle) - So much to do.. So little money

10-14-2008, 07:00 PM	#17
blackZbandit Drives: BLACK ON BLACK 2012 CAMARO SS Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LOS ANGELES, CA Posts: 743 View My Garage	Hate to quote my own post but... __________________ BLACK CAR + FLAT BLACK STRIPES + BLACK WHEELS = BLK PW3R!! **Thanks to Silver Streak for the pic I used to make this sig**

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10-14-2008, 05:38 PM	#1
06stalliongt Drives: 1988 Camaro IROC Z28 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: new york Posts: 28	some thoughts about the camaro...a new yorkers point of view ive been registered to this site a little over a year now i havent posted much but i have been paying close attention to the devolpment of the new camaro using this site im on here everyday...my final verdict is its everything gm said it would be n it is truly amazing...that being said...THE PRICING OF THIS CAR IS LUDACRIS!!! GM just cant get it rite...y would they put a 30k(after tax n all the other charges) v6 in the lineup!!! and a true ss2 that will be in the high 30k maybe even 40k after adding the options we all wnt...cuz the ss1 dosent have some options that the ss2 has...there is no mid level v8 n if there was a majority of us would be going after...i hate to say it but i think ford and dodge have it rite... (2 v8's in the line up) nobody really wnts to drive a v6 camaro thats just how its always been n how it always will be...i knw im gonna hear alot of crap about this frm u guys...but its my opinion

10-14-2008, 05:45 PM	#3
ucla1ove3 Drives: soon to be 2010 CAMARO :] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: houston, tx Posts: 1,287	he is not talking about performance completely here, he is talking about convenience and goodies which everyone wants unless it's going to be a strict race car.

10-14-2008, 05:48 PM	#4
Jamestwilliams junior member Drives: Grand Am Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: canada Posts: 534	He is a mustang fan, a grain of salt should be used here.

10-14-2008, 05:51 PM	#5
ucla1ove3 Drives: soon to be 2010 CAMARO :] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: houston, tx Posts: 1,287	he's a sports car fan, don't hate.

10-14-2008, 06:00 PM	#9
ucla1ove3 Drives: soon to be 2010 CAMARO :] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: houston, tx Posts: 1,287	i want a v6 too. i don't have the money for a v8. nor do i wanna die when the pain at the pump comes back in like 6 months. and also like most people i don't want a stripped car, i love goodies, leather, ambient lighting, halos, BA sound... everthing, so ill get a loaded LT2RS.... hopefully, as long as i can get my friends GM employee discount to work

10-14-2008, 06:48 PM	#15
ucla1ove3 Drives: soon to be 2010 CAMARO :] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: houston, tx Posts: 1,287	garfin... ahahahahahahaahahahahahahah lmao ^^

10-14-2008, 06:58 PM	#16
kylepo Drives: 2002 firehawk.....missing 02CE Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Midland MI/salamanca NY Posts: 360	I wonder if this guy realizes that the starting price for a 2009 challenger R/T is $30,990 and the camaro 1SS starts at $30,995 so are we going to really argue about a 5 dollar difference??? And I think we all know which of the two cars will be faster.

10-14-2008, 07:09 PM	#18
YellrRS Drives: Harley Davidson Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northeast Posts: 17	Here was my thought process on v6 vs. v8. It wasnt the cylinders, but the horsepower. The v6 has over 300 horse, and thats at least what the 60's Z28 had if I remember correctly. At the pump it will take regular, get better gas mileage, and probably be less to insure. What adjustment I will make, is to the exhaust note. After that I will be plenty fast, and sounding good

10-14-2008, 07:16 PM	#21
camaro5 Drives: Off Into The Sunset Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cape Coral, Florida Posts: 4,428	Outside the Camaro world there are people who feel it is priced too high. It's not cheap, let's face it. The Ford engineers went through a giant battle in'05 with their beancounters regarding independant rear suspension. The beancounters won. Solid rear axle is too retro for me, and most people. So think of the Camaro as getting a modern design, that is also fresh, and comes with an interior with some style. IRS would cost you more than $2000 in the Mustang, if they offered it. The restyled 2010 Mustang is just that...The same thing re-styled. Not my first car choice, but on my list. I like everything fun to drive. I was all set for Camaro official pricing...Think Pontiac G8 GT and G8 GXP, the Camaro are sister and brother in more ways than one. And BTW, we welcome Mustang owners here, GM wants and needs to earn your business.