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Old 10-14-2008, 08:57 PM   #1
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Everyone talks about horsepower, but what about handling?

Don't get me wrong, HP and torque are a beautiful thing!

However, handling is important as well. When I was buying my latest car a few years ago, I was looking at the Mustangs--man those things drove like a boat. Maybe I have been spoiled by driving a Honda S2000, BMW and Audi -- but I have come to appreciate agile cars. Is there any indication of how these Camaros will handle?
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:58 PM   #2
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I've read in a couple places and they said it has just a hint of understeer.... but that can be easily eliminated with a little push on the right pedal
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:00 PM   #3
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drive a Pontiac g8 gt they both have the same chasis
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:08 PM   #4
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It pulled off an impressive 8:20 at the nurburgring. For a car of its size, thats decent handling.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:14 PM   #5
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It pulled off an impressive 8:20 at the nurburgring. For a car of its size, thats decent handling.
yeah didnt it beat the m3? or maybe the m5?
(i think i got that info from a youtube comment so i dont know how reliable it is)
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:22 PM   #6
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It pulled off an impressive 8:20 at the nurburgring. For a car of its size, thats decent handling.
That's VERY interesting. I did not know that. I think the Nissan GTR just posted a 7:30 time -- so the Camaro didn't do too bad I guess.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:26 PM   #7
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I've been wondering the same thing.


Is it going to be more like the Mustange GT with its body roll and its fat boy stance....

Or will it work more like its british competitors? I'd like to see it handle like a DB9, but I think that might just be a pipe dream.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:32 PM   #8
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That's VERY interesting. I did not know that. I think the Nissan GTR just posted a 7:30 time -- so the Camaro didn't do too bad I guess.
vette zr1 7:26
nissan gtr 7:29
cobalt ss 8:22

camaro 8:20
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:38 PM   #9
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just goes to show how good the cobalt ss really is
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:43 PM   #10
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That's VERY interesting. I did not know that. I think the Nissan GTR just posted a 7:30 time -- so the Camaro didn't do too bad I guess.
The GTR cheated. Look at my sig my sig.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:45 PM   #11
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porsche is currently ivestigating Nissan's GTR track time.
they say it is complete !
and im with them on that.
i believe the GTR used for the timing was definately not stock.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:47 PM   #12
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drive a Pontiac g8 gt they both have the same chasis

I was just going to post that. And I was going to say, kick it up a notch for the Camaro. Especially FE3 - performance suspension models (SS).

G8 GXP will have FE3 suspension too.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:54 PM   #13
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The 8:20 was an early IVER too... I'd imagine they've squeezed a little more out of it since then.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:59 PM   #14
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porsche is currently ivestigating Nissan's GTR track time.
they say it is complete !
and im with them on that.
i believe the GTR used for the timing was definately not stock.
Even if it was stock. They probably voided the warranty.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:00 PM   #15
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in think this is where the thread in my sig comes into play? lol
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:07 PM   #17
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vette zr1 7:26
nissan gtr 7:29
cobalt ss 8:22

camaro 8:20
My question is... These times are all kind of old (reletive to the Camaro), anyone have the details of which car was used?

I remember reading that there was still a lot of tweaking left to be done on the Camaro test mule when these results were posted. Am I wrong?

BTW heres some more times all slower:

8:22 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS verified manufacturer time[citation needed]
8:22 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32
8:22 BMW M3
8:22 BMW M Coupe
8:24 Audi S5 Sport Auto
8:24 2004 Subaru Impreza Sport Auto (05/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Lotus Exige S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:25 Jaguar XKR Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:25 Porsche Cayman S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:24 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/1999), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2002), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:26 Nissan 350Z Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2003)
8:28 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/1997)
8:32 Porsche Boxster S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/1999)
8:38 Honda NSX Sport Auto, (08/1997)
8:39 Honda S2000 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2000)
8:39 Mazda MAZDASPEED3 Mark Ticehurst 2007 Mazda News (06/2007),[23] Inexperienced driver.[citation needed]
8:40 Chevrolet Corvette C5

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7:54 Nissan GT-R September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[13] stock vehicle with stock tires
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:16 PM   #18
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nice find evotion! its nice to see a lot of other things it beat
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:24 PM   #19
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I think the best indication of the quality of it's performance is the fact that it beat the E92 335i coupe. A lot of sources say that car is one of the best all around cars in the world. Granted the Camaro has an extra 100 or so hp but it's a recent model car with a supposedly underrated turbo engine and it's known to be very quick. If I could afford it and there was no Camaro coming out, I'd be looking into one of those instead.


But that's all performance. That says nothing about how fun it is to drive. Sometimes people don't realize that because a car can lap a track fast, it can still be unexciting or hard to drive. I hope the Camaro is fun to drive fast.

Understeer is tuned into a chassis to keep the driver safe. That way instead of the rear end unexpectedly coming around on you, the front wheels start to push and let you know to do something about it. Rather than the back end of the car overtaking the front and you panicking and tail sliding into a tree or something. Understeer is considered a lot more manageable than oversteer.

And I agree. It's all too often that people say a car is better because it's faster in a straight line. Although it never can hurt to beat a car in both categories. Just like the Camaro beats the Mustang and Challenger.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:32 PM   #20
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porsche is currently ivestigating Nissan's GTR track time.
they say it is complete !
and im with them on that.
i believe the GTR used for the timing was definately not stock.

I am not a Nissan defender, but the video is interesting.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nis...n-the-dai-san/
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:14 AM   #21
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I like how one of the comments on the page of that video says "Warning: Running a record setting lap in your GT-R will probably void the warranty"


I think the GT-R is definitely a very fast car considering how big it is. The first comparison tests and the like showed it smashing cars with more hp and less weight in acceleration. But even since that has become less common, it's still outrunning lighter more powerful cars in many track settings.


And I love love love how some fools say "Porsche says their 'ring time is BS and I'm with them."

I think it's hard to believe. But until you drive the car and experience what it can do yourself I don't think it's fair to say it's obviously bs that it ran that time.

And yes. I agree the warranty situation is effed up.
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I like how one of the comments on the page of that video says "Warning: Running a record setting lap in your GT-R will probably void the warranty"


I think the GT-R is definitely a very fast car considering how big it is. The first comparison tests and the like showed it smashing cars with more hp and less weight in acceleration. But even since that has become less common, it's still outrunning lighter more powerful cars in many track settings.


And I love love love how some fools say "Porsche says their 'ring time is BS and I'm with them."

I think it's hard to believe. But until you drive the car and experience what it can do yourself I don't think it's fair to say it's obviously bs that it ran that time.

And yes. I agree the warranty situation is effed up.
What I think is BS is that they advertise this amazing supercar with great times. But if you ever want to drive it like advertised not only do you void your warranty but possibly blow a transmission. That, sir is true .

But the real story here is that this is my 200th post.
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What I think is BS is that they advertise this amazing supercar with great times. But if you ever want to drive it like advertised not only do you void your warranty but possibly blow a transmission. That, sir is true .

But the real story here is that this is my 200th post.


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Old 10-15-2008, 01:25 AM   #24
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That's VERY interesting. I did not know that. I think the Nissan GTR just posted a 7:30 time -- so the Camaro didn't do too bad I guess.
Whoa that GT-R time is questionable at best. At 3900lbs and 480HP (perhaps 507HP) at the flywheel that time is a fantasy, sorry but it is.
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Whoa that GT-R time is questionable at best. At 3900lbs and 480HP (perhaps 507HP) at the flywheel that time is a fantasy, sorry but it is.
also considering the non stock tires they had to use.
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