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Old 12-12-2007, 02:19 PM   #251
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You don't have to worry about the 5.3. (I'm assuming you're speaking of the LS4 from the Impala) One: it's designed to be transversely mounted. i.e. Front wheel drive. and Two: it makes below the power of the old LS1. So...I think we can safely put that one to bed, too.


we just had a trans out on one of these cars at work and it has a totally different block with a small v-6 bell housing mounting, this will make it hard for rear wheel drive swaps
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:26 PM   #252
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We'd sure hope so! But, at this time, we don't know what to think w/ Scott telling us to forget everything we know about engines.
so 6.2 is out of the question???
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so 6.2 is out of the question???
Which one?
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:53 PM   #254
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Which one?
Exactly. there are at least 2 of them that GM makes. and a third in prototype form. just ripping on you.

But no, I wouldn't say "out of the question" but rather "highly questioned" again.:p Go figure.
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:53 AM   #255
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:35 PM   #256
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And we still have assurance that the LS3 is a 450 HP engine, right???
well the current LS3 is 400, so in a few years when the 5th gen arrives it ll prolly be round 450ish then Ford will up their anty and WAR can continue.. Thank god as I still get that disgusting wave of nausea when i see a mustang

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well the current LS3 is 400, so in a few years when the 5th gen arrives it ll prolly be round 450ish then Ford will up their anty and WAR can continue.. Thank god as I still get that disgusting wave of nausea when i see a mustang

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Umm, that was the LS2 that had 400. The LS3 has 430.
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:26 PM   #258
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I hope the gen V engines will be out and I think not knowing what will be in the beast will keep me anxious until production.
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Exactly. there are at least 2 of them that GM makes. and a third in prototype form. just ripping on you.

But no, I wouldn't say "out of the question" but rather "highly questioned" again.:p Go figure.
this engine speculation is drving me nuts.
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:26 AM   #260
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I just wish someone would leak motor options to us already. If they have test-mules then they must have the engine decisions all but finalized, I'd like to know what we're looking at >.<

I wonder if the secrecy is in part to keep the info away from competitors?
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Well things can still change. They may be 99% sure, but it wouldn't be too hard to change to a different, but similar engine. Of course most of the Challenger's engine data is still unofficial, along with everything about the next 'stang, so it is a waiting game against the competition.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:27 AM   #262
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I wonder if the secrecy is in part to keep the info away from competitors?
You hit the nail on the head. That's 90% of the reason.
Scott sounds like a parrott sometimes, as he keeps repeating over and over; Don't show your cards untill you're ready.
GM's not ready, yet.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:19 AM   #263
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Well things can still change. They may be 99% sure, but it wouldn't be too hard to change to a different, but similar engine. Of course most of the Challenger's engine data is still unofficial, along with everything about the next 'stang, so it is a waiting game against the competition.
That's right. I was looking for Challenger info last night. They've set a starting price and some basic information, but the goal is to keep the Mustang at bay, not just the Challenger. Without any good info on the upcoming Mustang, GM isn't safe announcing horsepower numbers, engine name, or car features. I really commend GM for being so organized and smart about what they release to the public. They've done a great job.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:21 AM   #264
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I've never seen a car project quite as tight-lipped as this one is!
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Yeah, it has to be. The Camaro has two very clear competitors, and in this class of cars its all about one-upping with the numbers, a lot like trucks. If GM shows their hand too early Ford and Dodge know just how much they have to do to just beat it, and suddenly the Camaro's superiority is gone.
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...in this class of cars its all about one-upping with the numbers.

I really hope the Camaro two-ups the competition!
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I really hope the Camaro two-ups the competition!
I don't think we have to worry.
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:55 AM   #268
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I'll just throw this out there to torture us more, Ive asserted that the car would get a HVV6(pushrod) in a 3.5L size, a HFV6(DOHC) in 3.6L and a GenIV 6.o or 6.2 v8. I would still bet money on the 6.2L being the V8 avail @ launch as its only a year away now and no new v8's (besides the LS9 for the ZR1 and the LFA for the hybrid SUV's) have been validated as far as I know. But keep in mind that the L76(6.0 from G8) is produced in a VVT version, and its still called L76(its used in trucks) and VVT works really with a supercharger The LS9 for the ZR1 is going to have over 600hp(expect 620 as it trumps ALL of the real competitors, and would make a nice round 100hp/L) but I have seen a few dyno run reports of LS9's putting out only 575-80hp. What is this engine for???(besides the CTS-v, Ive never liked the magazine reports of an "LSA" engine, its too close to "LFA" which is the truck hybrid 6.0L v8) Spark Ignition Direct Injection, SIDI, the true name for whats getting called gasoline direct injection, is one of GM's chosen technologies, expect to see it proliferate throughout the entire catalog regardless of cost(naturally aspirated 2.0L SIDI 4 cylinder with over 150hp should be powering the base Cobalt when the Camaro comes out) the GenV is SIDI equipped, the HFV6's are SIDI equipped, the ECOTEC's are getting it, the only engine family that will be around in 2010 model year that I havent seen a SIDI version of yet is the LZ engines(60degree V6's or High Value v6, the pushrod 3.5 and 3.9) and its because of this fact that I would NOT expect to see a 3.5 or 3.9 under the hood of the Camaro., its just not capable(imo) of meeting the newer standards, want some "proof"? Look only as far as the Malibu(midsize Chevys are what the 60deg V6 was invented for), no pushrods anywhere to be seen, just the 2.4L LE5 ECOTEC and the 3.6L V6. hmmm. And if you can find any of GM's releases regarding the 3.5L theyll tell you that its virtually all new and now shares over 3/4's of its parts with the 3.9L, what they dont tell you is that the reason it shares so many parts is that its now just a destroked 3.9L! it used to be its own engine, it had a unique bore, a completely different block, different cooling system, cylinder heads, etc.... now there is only one block, pistons, heads, etc, the only real difference is the crank. I dont think that is a good sign for the longevity of of this engine family(which is third oldest in use behind the the 3800 and 4.3L v6 truck engine) I would expect to see a standard EFI 3.6L or the possibly forthcoming 3.0L SIDI as the base engine and an over 300hp SIDI 3.6L as the second six. expensive or not this is GM's most popular engine family and is used by EVERY division save for Hummer(who should use it instead of the shitty 3700 I5) and it is currently used in no less than 12 different model lines in the USA alone, the most prolific use of any engine in General Motors history.(IIRC)
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my personal opinion of v-8 engine, might be a 6.0l or 6.2 di gen v for the 2010 camaro. massive power for the technology. glad gm isn't saying the true #'s. bet to say it will have 400whp or more at the pavement, for the top model. having more hp in store later if needed. leaves ford and dodge , what did you just do to us? lol gen v engines there for the reepings!!!!!! hope new camaro get an optional m6 for top model.
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3whiterag can you comment on this?
something tells me smiles all over this?

gm thanks for the dedication to detail in performance. i was a big E sr. fan
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3whiterag can you comment on this?
something tells me smiles all over this?

gm thanks for the dedication to detail in performance. i was a big E sr. fan
Welcome to the site, Nascar Style! I think you'll like it here.

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its funny how we are in a horsepower and pony car war when gas is expensive as all hell
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its funny how we are in a horsepower and pony car war when gas is expensive as all hell
Isn't it? It could just be the key to winning, though. a 30+mpg, 400hp car will likely attract a LOT of attention.
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