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Old 04-09-2007, 03:15 PM   #26
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upgraded V8 = LS3 450hp.
Camaro SS = a whole lotta Hp.

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I guess that would be your answer then...

This is how I see it, keep in mind no insider info here, this is just me babbling...

Base v8 = LH6 5.3L DoD 310? hp.
upgraded V8 = LS3 450hp.
Camaro SS = a whole lotta Hp.

How is that?
I dunno... I don't think they will have any form of the 5.3 as an option. The 5.3 is strictly a truck engine (if I am not mistaken). my guess would be that they will use the same 6.0L (L76) that they will be using in the G8/Impalas/etc that gets ~360HP.

The Mustang's power is speculated to be ramped up by the time the Camaro comes out to around 350 hp, so the L76 would work much better than the 5.3L.... just my 2 cents.
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I dunno... I don't think they will have any form of the 5.3 as an option. The 5.3 is strictly a truck engine (if I am not mistaken). my guess would be that they will use the same 6.0L (L76) that they will be using in the G8/Impalas/etc that gets ~360HP.

The Mustang's power is speculated to be ramped up by the time the Camaro comes out to around 350 hp, so the L76 would work much better than the 5.3L.... just my 2 cents.
Nope... 5.3L DOD is not strictly a truck engine... the aluminum block will be in cars as well. This should give the consumer what they want, a wide range of choices in a V8 engine.
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Nope... 5.3L DOD is not strictly a truck engine... the aluminum block will be in cars as well. This should give the consumer what they want, a wide range of choices in a V8 engine.
Ahhh.... I rememebr now. The 5.3L is the "LS4" block used exclusively in transverse FWD applications. I guess it could be adapted to a RWD application, but again, my money is on the L76 as a base engine. It just doesn't make sense in my mind to spend the money to convert it to a RWD application when you already have a ~360 HP engine in production...

Guess we will have to wait and see
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I guess that would be your answer then...

This is how I see it, keep in mind no insider info here, this is just me babbling...

Base v8 = LH6 5.3L DoD 310? hp.
upgraded V8 = LS3 450hp.
Camaro SS = a whole lotta Hp.

How is that?
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I guess I am just in a wierd spot where I can't see gm doing a 310 hp v8 for 28-29k and then turn around and offer the 450 (140hp more) for like 3-4k(guestimate)..

And for me at 33k+ I will just stick my money in one of three spots 1) a used corvette (lets face it enthusiasts we all are... at 33k + we are getting into used vett territory) 2) some other car (mustink, 350znore, g35) or 3)just keep my truck..

I understand costs and that just may push me out but I refuse to pay over $31999.99 because again thats vett territory. Personly I believe gm can offer the ls3 for under that, the question is will they

Guess I get to cross my fingers and see when things are announced officially..
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Ahhh.... I rememebr now. The 5.3L is the "LS4" block used exclusively in transverse FWD applications. I guess it could be adapted to a RWD application, but again, my money is on the L76 as a base engine. It just doesn't make sense in my mind to spend the money to convert it to a RWD application when you already have a ~360 HP engine in production...

Guess we will have to wait and see
Yeah the Ls4 is FWD but the LH6 5.3L is not.
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Yeah the Ls4 is FWD but the LH6 5.3L is not.
Gotcha....
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I guess I am just in a wierd spot where I can't see gm doing a 310 hp v8 for 28-29k and then turn around and offer the 450 (140hp more) for like 3-4k(guestimate)..

And for me at 33k+ I will just stick my money in one of three spots 1) a used corvette (lets face it enthusiasts we all are... at 33k + we are getting into used vett territory) 2) some other car (mustink, 350znore, g35) or 3)just keep my truck..

I understand costs and that just may push me out but I refuse to pay over $31999.99 because again thats vett territory. Personly I believe gm can offer the ls3 for under that, the question is will they

Guess I get to cross my fingers and see when things are announced officially..


I completely understand where you are coming from. I mean, you can buy a NEW vette right now for under $40,000. Used C6s can be had in the mid 30's if you look for them.

I orginally said that my upper limit is $32k, and I am pretty firm on that. I simply can not justify spending more than that. If it comes in in the $35-38k range for an LS3 then I will either wait to see if i can find a slightly used 5th gen within a few years of its release, or I will be looking for a used GTO. Hell, you can get a used GTO in VERY good condition with low miles right now in the low $20's.
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Guys! Don't give up so easily, Remember, this is all hypothetical. You are really bumming me out. Think positive, please! I know what we are building but who is to say what they are going into? As I have said many times, the general will not disappoint us!

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Guys! Don't give up so easily, Remember, this is all hypothetical. You are really bumming me out. Think positive, please! I know what we are building but who is to say what they are going into? As I have said many times, the general will not disappoint us!
You're right, and I am not giving up by any means.... I have waited far too long to own a Camaro to give up before we have any solid info on options. However, I will also not "settle" on a particular package because what I really want is priced too far out of my reach. I will not dedicate more than $32-33k on a new Camaro and I want an LS engine. If that means waiting for one ot show up on a used car lot becasue the first owner couldn't afford the payments, then that is fine with me . But I will not be spending more than $32-33k.
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I guess that would be your answer then...

This is how I see it, keep in mind no insider info here, this is just me babbling...

Base v8 = LH6 5.3L DoD 310? hp.
upgraded V8 = LS3 450hp.
Camaro SS = a whole lotta Hp.

How is that?
The latter two would work for me as well...but I do have a question...

Why would GM put out a high performance V6 engine which as I remember Scott saying, could "put out just as much hp as an LS1 (and save you money on your car insurance)" only to have a Base V8 = 310hp? That does not make sense to me.

From what I gather, the hi-po V6 should put out about the same hp as the LS1, which would be around 320-335hp depending on intake. If GM puts out a V8 matching the V6's hp, why buy the V8??? I wouldn't want a V8 when I could save on both gas and ins by buying the V6. I don't think the base 310hp V8 would sell.....anyone else?
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The latter two would work for me as well...but I do have a question...

Why would GM put out a high performance V6 engine which as I remember Scott saying, could "put out just as much hp as an LS1 (and save you money on your car insurance)" only to have a Base V8 = 310hp? That does not make sense to me.

From what I gather, the hi-po V6 should put out about the same hp as the LS1, which would be around 320-335hp depending on intake. If GM puts out a V8 matching the V6's hp, why buy the V8??? I wouldn't want a V8 when I could save on both gas and ins by buying the V6. I don't think the base 310hp V8 would sell.....anyone else?

i agree... that is why I said I would think the entry V8 would be the L76, just makes more sense. I think the reports suggest that the 3.6L V6 actually gets closer to around 300 HP though, but still it makes absolutely no sense to put in a V8 that makes only 10 HP more. The lineup of engines I foresee will be something like this...


V6 3.9L 250 HP @ $21k

V6 3.6L 300 HP @ $25k

V8 6.0L 368 HP @ $29k (L76)

V8 6.2L 450 HP @ $35k (LS3)

V8 6.2Ls/c 550 HP @ $42k (Blown LS3)
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i agree... that is why I said I would think the entry V8 would be the L76, just makes more sense. I think the reports suggest that the 3.6L V6 actually gets closer to around 300 HP though, but still it makes absolutely no sense to put in a V8 that makes only 10 HP more. The lineup of engines I foresee will be something like this...


V6 3.9L 250 HP @ $21k

V6 3.6L 300 HP @ $25k

V8 6.0L 368 HP @ $29k (L76)

V8 6.2L 450 HP @ $35k (LS3)

V8 6.2Ls/c 550 HP @ $42k (Blown LS3)

Gives us something to think about, doesn't it? Good point about the V6 having around the same Hp. as the small V8, unless they up the hp. on the V8. Where did the 6.0L numbers come from? Our 6L engine had 405hp. I guess we will just have to wait and see.....

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If those #'s for both prices and engines come true, it's going to be tough for me to get into a LS3. Either I won't be able to do it, or I'm going to have to put it off for another 2 years.....this blows. I love getting to play w/ my boy and it is the coolest in the world. But on the other hand, I can't wait until my wife will get her butt back in the workforce and bring in some freaking cash....
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If those #'s for both prices and engines come true, it's going to be tough for me to get into a LS3. Either I won't be able to do it, or I'm going to have to put it off for another 2 years.....this blows. I love getting to play w/ my boy and it is the coolest in the world. But on the other hand, I can't wait until my wife will get her butt back in the workforce and bring in some freaking cash....

I guess we'll have to wait and see when these cars come out and see how they drive. An entry level V8 may not be a bad choice. 368 HP is nothing to sneeze at and probably more than enough for daily driving. Based on my LS1 driving experiences, 368 HP would be a hell of alot of fun. You have to wonder though, when you hit the 450 HP mark, of how fuel efficient the car will be and how streetable it'll be for average joe drivers. That kind of power is not for everybody.
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I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but this is where my opinionated - ness takes its toll: I really don't think the prices or engines are remotely close.... I know I'm no professional, but I just can't see that "appealing to the Younger generation"....not at all.

I've done some research on the Camaros of the past. And between that and some of the hints GM has released, I have come to the following conclusions:

1) There can't be too many engine choices. That will just add to price. From what I understand price is already becoming an issue.

2) Chevrolet is supposedly taking it easy on the whole SS deal. And in 2002, the most recent year of the Camaro, SS was only a package - not whole different trim line as of late. So I doubt a completely different engine is in store for an "SS'

3) And the pricing guesstimates seem sooooo out in left field to me, the Z28 in 2002 only cost around 23000, now I know inflation takes its toll but not to 29000 - ish!!.

4) We know there will be 2 different V6's but I don't think there will be that big of a difference in price between the 2. One is supposed to be fuel - friendly, and the other is supposed to be Powerful.

5) To guess which engines are going to be put into the Camaro is kind of funny, because it's still some 1 to 2 years before the Car comes out. A better guessing game might be price(that's just me, ignore it if you will)

I see it this way plus or minus $1 or $2 thousand (it may be more hope speaking then anything, but I will stick by this list until the car comes out).

A weak little V6 that is decent, but nothing special : $21,000

A speedy little V6 that puts a smile on your face, but it still feels like a V6 : $22,500-$24,000

Then I see Z28 possibly the LS3 if nothing new comes out -detuned a little(or not): $27,000

And an SS performance/appearance package that gives the LS3 or whatever it is a little extra oomf. $2,000 -$3,500
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I agree with casuall and his reasoning explanation -

The reasoning dragon is not previous cost analysis because we have been told it will compete with the mustang, if you check the mustang you notice a few things.. you get 2 engine choices (if you don't include the gt500 which i don't because its a limited production hey look at what we can do type thing)

coupe pricing for baseline

v6 210hp @ $20k-$22k - 2 trims base and deluxe
v8(gt) 300hp @ $26k-$28k - 2 trims base and deluxe
v8 gt500 500hp @ 42k - 1 trim limited production

camaro probability to fall in line

V6 3.9L 250 HP @ $21k - comparable to stang v6 base trim (cam more hp)
V6 3.6L 300 HP @ $25k - comparable to stang v6 deluxe trim (cam alot more hp but price bump)
V8 6.0L 368 HP @ $29k (L76) - comparable to stang v8 base ( cam more hp)
V8 6.2L 450 HP @ $35k (LS3) - comparable to stang v8 deluxe (cam alot more hp but big price bump)
V8 6.2Ls/c 550 HP @ $42k (Blown LS3) - comparable to gt500 (cam more hp)

when compared side by side.. camaro is clear winner, if you get base trim levels (assuming comparable options) you pay the same but get more hp. When you hit the price bump you get major hp upgrade but you pay for it( and probably bundled options hud/nav/bluetooth/ect..)

again personally i don't like it if it goes this way but we will have to see for official word
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First off, you are very right.... We seem to get very emotional when it comes to discussing price, and the thought of a 35k+ Camaro really sets some people (certainly myself included) off. I think this really shows how much passion this car elicits though. I mean, just the thought of not being able to afford it really gets us going!

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3) And the pricing guesstimates seem sooooo out in left field to me, the Z28 in 2002 only cost around 23000, now I know inflation takes its toll but not to 29000 - ish!!.
As for this... inflation is a major factor. 2002 doesn't seem that long ago, but it was 5 years ago now and the gap will grow to 7 years before we see a Camaro. Inflation is typically around 3% a year. if you take that into consideration, a $23,000 Camaro in 2002 would cost $28,287 in 2009. So Inflation certainly can increase the cost of a base Camaro quite a bit.

We will just have to wait and see (unfortunately. I for one am tired of waiting to see :( )
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We will just have to wait and see (unfortunately. I for one am tired of waiting to see :( )
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I guess we'll have to wait and see when these cars come out and see how they drive. An entry level V8 may not be a bad choice. 368 HP is nothing to sneeze at and probably more than enough for daily driving. Based on my LS1 driving experiences, 368 HP would be a hell of alot of fun. You have to wonder though, when you hit the 450 HP mark, of how fuel efficient the car will be and how streetable it'll be for average joe drivers. That kind of power is not for everybody.

Very streetable, look what the LS7 Corvette is getting for mileage. As far as those prices that were posted, they are just what someone figures those packages would be selling for. As far as I am concerned, it is all guess work. as I stated before, the Ls2 6.0L is 405 hp. not 368hp. I am even thinking of putting one of the new engines in my 67 SS350 which is a pig on gas now. If I update the drivetrain, I will be far better off than I am now as far as mileage and performance are concerned. I think the new Camaro will have the hp. and prices to suit everyones' needs.
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Im still kinda worried about the prices but i am going to stay optimistic and trust you on this 3whiterag.
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i like the sound of 400-450 horses. alot more then the last production camaro. u figure the 2006 goat was at i believe 400 horses on the ls2. so its gotta be at least at that figure or above. this is sounding good to me. could you imagine if they drop the ls7 with the supercharger that they are putting in the blue devil vette.
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i like the sound of 400-450 horses. alot more then the last production camaro. u figure the 2006 goat was at i believe 400 horses on the ls2. so its gotta be at least at that figure or above. this is sounding good to me. could you imagine if they drop the ls7 with the supercharger that they are putting in the blue devil vette.

I thought I read somewhere that the LS7 can't run a s/c because it is already running such high compression....
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hmm well what are they putting engine wise in the blue devil?
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