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Old 04-09-2007, 02:07 PM   #18
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my biggy question 3whiterag is gm considering the ls3 the base v8 (aka the base mustang) for price or is the ls3(supercharged or not) the gt500 competition?

If the ls3 is in the gt500 range.. my guess is the l98 is the base v8!?!?!

PS - i really wish the ls3 would be the base v8
I doubt 3whiterag would be able to answer that... it seems as though only those who are directly involved with the Camaro project know those details.

I would really like to see the LS3 as the base V8; however, just about every source has mentioned multiple V8 options. Therefore, I would think it is a good bet that there will be two different V8s and the lineup will include the L98, the LS3, and a s/c LS3.

If they are going to offer the L98 as a base V8, then the LS3 option had better come with some worthwhile upgrades (better suspension, bigger brakes, etc) in order to justify the price differential because there is no way the engine alone is any more expensive to produce.

I really wish we had an idea of pricing though. If there will be an L98 base V8, then it will likely start around $29-30k. I would then assume that the LS3 will start at $35k, which is my upper most limit... so we will see.
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my biggy question 3whiterag is gm considering the ls3 the base v8 (aka the base mustang) for price or is the ls3(supercharged or not) the gt500 competition?

If the ls3 is in the gt500 range.. my guess is the l98 is the base v8!?!?!

PS - i really wish the ls3 would be the base v8
First of all - a.k.a. means "also known as". I hope to God Camaro isn't going to be known as Mustang.... I think the only way Mustang will make it's way into the Camaro name is with killer after it.

Second - I don't think SS (assuming this is Top Dog) will be the equivalant of a GT500. That may have to be a limited Production Camaro model, in order to compete. My belief is that 'SS' is going to be an apperance/perfomance package again. Not a-whole-nother trim level. Chevrolet says they are going to take it easy with the SS this and SS that. If they weren't careful we may have ended up with an Uplander SS. So to make a Camaro SS when Z28 already has dibbs would be kind of pointless IMO.

And as far as I have heard: The L98 is supposed to be the foundation of the LS3 (IMO the high-end Camaro V8)- keep in mind the L98 is still a truck engine so.............
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Old 04-09-2007, 02:41 PM   #20
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First of all - a.k.a. means "also known as". I hope to God Camaro isn't going to be known as Mustang.... I think the only way Mustang will make it's way into the Camaro name is with killer after it.

Second - I don't think SS (assuming this is Top Dog) will be the equivalant of a GT500. That may have to be a limited Production Camaro model, in order to compete. My belief is that 'SS' is going to be an apperance/perfomance package again. Not a-whole-nother trim level. Chevrolet says they are going to take it easy with the SS this and SS that. If they weren't careful we may have ended up with an Uplander SS. So to make a Camaro SS when Z28 already has dibbs would be kind of pointless IMO.

And as far as I have heard: The L98 is supposed to be the foundation of the LS3 (IMO the high-end Camaro V8)- keep in mind the L98 is still a truck engine so.............

Just a point of clarification.

Actually, I believe the L98 is a slightly modified version of the L76... both of which have been used exclusively in the Holdens (until the G8 makes its debut, and until the L76's production on the GM trucks). I think the L98 is actually on its way out and is being replaced with the L76 which has a slightly higher displacement, but, ironically, makes slightly less power. - although power is being ramped up for the G8 just slightly to match the L98's power.

I believe the L92 (the 6.2L LS3 based block used in the Cadillac's) is the one you were referring to...
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Old 04-09-2007, 03:21 PM   #21
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How about this scenario...... Three V8 choices. Makes sense to me. Can you guys figure out which ones they are or they may be? We know there are going to be some six cylinder models, and a base v8. Go from there. I know what we are building but I can only surmise where they are going.... Isn't this exciting? Oh yeah! You guys are jumping all over the place. Sit down and relax and think about it. Common sense prevails....then do the opposite.
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my biggy question 3whiterag is gm considering the ls3 the base v8 (aka the base mustang) for price or is the ls3(supercharged or not) the gt500 competition?

If the ls3 is in the gt500 range.. my guess is the l98 is the base v8!?!?!

PS - i really wish the ls3 would be the base v8
Lets get one thing straight, the GT500 is not the base mustang so why would the LS3 be in the base Camaro?
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True Casull, my bad. I was thinking of the L92.........(grumble) stupid codes.
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Lets get one thing straight, the GT500 is not the base mustang so why would the LS3 be in the base Camaro?
Well, it is going to take more than just the LS3 to compete witht he GT500... that s/c version we keep hearing about would do the trick. The LS3 alone will just not do - it would compete somewhere between the GT and the GT500...
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Well, it is going to take more than just the LS3 to compete witht he GT500... that s/c version we keep hearing about would do the trick. The LS3 alone will just not do - it would compete somewhere between the GT and the GT500...

I guess that would be your answer then...

This is how I see it, keep in mind no insider info here, this is just me babbling...

Base v8 = LH6 5.3L DoD 310? hp.
upgraded V8 = LS3 450hp.
Camaro SS = a whole lotta Hp.

How is that?
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upgraded V8 = LS3 450hp.
Camaro SS = a whole lotta Hp.

How is that?

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Old 04-09-2007, 04:35 PM   #27
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I guess that would be your answer then...

This is how I see it, keep in mind no insider info here, this is just me babbling...

Base v8 = LH6 5.3L DoD 310? hp.
upgraded V8 = LS3 450hp.
Camaro SS = a whole lotta Hp.

How is that?
I dunno... I don't think they will have any form of the 5.3 as an option. The 5.3 is strictly a truck engine (if I am not mistaken). my guess would be that they will use the same 6.0L (L76) that they will be using in the G8/Impalas/etc that gets ~360HP.

The Mustang's power is speculated to be ramped up by the time the Camaro comes out to around 350 hp, so the L76 would work much better than the 5.3L.... just my 2 cents.
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:54 PM   #28
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I dunno... I don't think they will have any form of the 5.3 as an option. The 5.3 is strictly a truck engine (if I am not mistaken). my guess would be that they will use the same 6.0L (L76) that they will be using in the G8/Impalas/etc that gets ~360HP.

The Mustang's power is speculated to be ramped up by the time the Camaro comes out to around 350 hp, so the L76 would work much better than the 5.3L.... just my 2 cents.
Nope... 5.3L DOD is not strictly a truck engine... the aluminum block will be in cars as well. This should give the consumer what they want, a wide range of choices in a V8 engine.
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Nope... 5.3L DOD is not strictly a truck engine... the aluminum block will be in cars as well. This should give the consumer what they want, a wide range of choices in a V8 engine.
Ahhh.... I rememebr now. The 5.3L is the "LS4" block used exclusively in transverse FWD applications. I guess it could be adapted to a RWD application, but again, my money is on the L76 as a base engine. It just doesn't make sense in my mind to spend the money to convert it to a RWD application when you already have a ~360 HP engine in production...

Guess we will have to wait and see
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I guess that would be your answer then...

This is how I see it, keep in mind no insider info here, this is just me babbling...

Base v8 = LH6 5.3L DoD 310? hp.
upgraded V8 = LS3 450hp.
Camaro SS = a whole lotta Hp.

How is that?
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I guess I am just in a wierd spot where I can't see gm doing a 310 hp v8 for 28-29k and then turn around and offer the 450 (140hp more) for like 3-4k(guestimate)..

And for me at 33k+ I will just stick my money in one of three spots 1) a used corvette (lets face it enthusiasts we all are... at 33k + we are getting into used vett territory) 2) some other car (mustink, 350znore, g35) or 3)just keep my truck..

I understand costs and that just may push me out but I refuse to pay over $31999.99 because again thats vett territory. Personly I believe gm can offer the ls3 for under that, the question is will they

Guess I get to cross my fingers and see when things are announced officially..
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Ahhh.... I rememebr now. The 5.3L is the "LS4" block used exclusively in transverse FWD applications. I guess it could be adapted to a RWD application, but again, my money is on the L76 as a base engine. It just doesn't make sense in my mind to spend the money to convert it to a RWD application when you already have a ~360 HP engine in production...

Guess we will have to wait and see
Yeah the Ls4 is FWD but the LH6 5.3L is not.
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Yeah the Ls4 is FWD but the LH6 5.3L is not.
Gotcha....
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I guess I am just in a wierd spot where I can't see gm doing a 310 hp v8 for 28-29k and then turn around and offer the 450 (140hp more) for like 3-4k(guestimate)..

And for me at 33k+ I will just stick my money in one of three spots 1) a used corvette (lets face it enthusiasts we all are... at 33k + we are getting into used vett territory) 2) some other car (mustink, 350znore, g35) or 3)just keep my truck..

I understand costs and that just may push me out but I refuse to pay over $31999.99 because again thats vett territory. Personly I believe gm can offer the ls3 for under that, the question is will they

Guess I get to cross my fingers and see when things are announced officially..


I completely understand where you are coming from. I mean, you can buy a NEW vette right now for under $40,000. Used C6s can be had in the mid 30's if you look for them.

I orginally said that my upper limit is $32k, and I am pretty firm on that. I simply can not justify spending more than that. If it comes in in the $35-38k range for an LS3 then I will either wait to see if i can find a slightly used 5th gen within a few years of its release, or I will be looking for a used GTO. Hell, you can get a used GTO in VERY good condition with low miles right now in the low $20's.
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