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Old 04-13-2007, 11:01 PM   #76
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:14 PM   #77
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If GM expects to sell upwards of 30,000 Z28's and SS's, they can't hike up the price too much. I always said I didn't think the price would go up that high. Sure, it's supposed to compete w/ the Mustang, but IDK. I don't see it going up that high...like maybe 35K for a top of the line. I could see a super special edition blown and all which must be priced upwards of 40K. But, the majority of the mid to upper level entry cars being made will be within a 29-35K area....I think...and hope.:o
After reading a few other threads like this one and thinking about it, here are my thoughts...

A new 1LT Corvette starts at $44,995. That pretty much has just about all of the amenities of a present day car built right in (ie leather seats, auto windows/locks, etc) If you think about it, a $10,000 price difference should be fairly easy to maintain between the Camaro and Corvette. I just can't see them breaking the $10,000 differential between the two cars even with the Camaro "nicely equipt". Once you break that differential, you are in a whole new realm.

IMO I think we will see the "entry level" V8 (L76) undercut the Mustang's Base V8 pricing and the LS3 will be competitively priced with the premium V8 Mustang at around $29,000 for the base w/ no options. Now that would give the Mustang sales a run for their money (pun intended!)

Perhaps this is just wishful thinking, but I really think it could happen. Even with inflation, the cost of a 2002 Camaro Z28 in today's dollars is still under $30,000.
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After reading a few other threads like this one and thinking about it, here are my thoughts...

A new 1LT Corvette starts at $44,995. That pretty much has just about all of the amenities of a present day car built right in (ie leather seats, auto windows/locks, etc) If you think about it, a $10,000 price difference should be fairly easy to maintain between the Camaro and Corvette. I just can't see them breaking the $10,000 differential between the two cars even with the Camaro "nicely equipt". Once you break that differential, you are in a whole new realm.

IMO I think we will see the "entry level" V8 (L76) undercut the Mustang's Base V8 pricing and the LS3 will be competitively priced with the premium V8 Mustang at around $29,000 for the base w/ no options. Now that would give the Mustang sales a run for their money (pun intended!)

Perhaps this is just wishful thinking, but I really think it could happen. Even with inflation, the cost of a 2002 Camaro Z28 in today's dollars is still under $30,000.
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^^That's what I was saying a long time ago, but still...I'm torn on what to think. I always thought GM wouldn't take the Camaro price near the vette. But, they could. The thing is, like I said before, I don't think they will sell the amount they would want. If they go up that high, I won't be getting one. I think this was one of the main concerns on the Camaro when this idea went before the big wigs and bean counters. They made a decision up there and I'm sure they said if they can get the materials priced right, find cost efficient production, etc, and sell enough, it's a go. They must believe this will sell big in order to get 100K Camaros out the door per year. That, to me, means it will be priced well.
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I really hope the top model Camaro is priced well based on those factors.

The only thing that keeps nagging me is that a Camaro SS or Z/28 (or whatever the lead model is) will be designed to compete with the SRT-8s and GT500s, both of which MSRP in the $38K-$42K range depending on options. That isn't far from base vette prices.
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I really hope the top model Camaro is priced well based on those factors.

The only thing that keeps nagging me is that a Camaro SS or Z/28 (or whatever the lead model is) will be designed to compete with the SRT-8s and GT500s, both of which MSRP in the $38K-$42K range depending on options. That isn't far from base vette prices.
True, but you are talking about the top-of-the-line deal. In my mind, that is not even in the same ballpark and should be priced accordingly. It is going to take a whole lot of extras just to make sure that that car meets safety regulations and can handle all of that power.

When you are talking about that kind of power, it to right up there in Vette territory, and should be priced accordingly, IMHO.
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I'm hoping for a third model to compete with the GT500 and SRT-8. It would be a low production run car and Chevy could price it higher and sell them. But people like us could still get the Z or SS for a reasonable price. The third model would also get people in the showrooms who can't afford it and maybe draw them to lower Hp more affordable camaro. It could be the camaro's halo car. My idea would be to make the 550 horse supercharged LS3 camaro and call it a ZL1 and price it in the mid 40's.
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hello all. i just joined today. i must say that i have never owned a camaro of any year. but have had 2 corvettes,2 trans-ams, 1 formula,and 4 stangs.

i hate the new mustangs. way to heavy. and the gt500 is a joke with 500 h/p and a weight of 3900 lbs. please!!!!!!!!!! a base vette w/400 h/p and 3150 weight would prolly smoke the gt 500 b/c of the 800lbs of weight it gives up.

just to put my 2cents on this whole pricing thing. i have been doing extensive research on this car as i am sure all of u have too.

and i read that chevy was goin to price the z28 or whatever to 200.00 over the base price of the stang gt. so rest assured that a 400 h/p camaro will not msrp over 28k. the new base vette for 08 is going to have the now 500 h/p motor found in the z06. the 08 z07 is going to be a 7.0 lit supercharged engine w/ an est 700 h/p. so the now price of a base corvette being 40,500 will prolly jump up to about 45-48k and the z07 will be 65-75k,if not more. i have read all this just in the past 10 days. the info is out there.

GM is well aware that the 4th gen camaro sales were 2to 1. thats for every 2 mustangs sold,1 camaro was sold. they don't want this to be the case again. if they could build it to be competitive than they would have never gotten the go-ahead. poor sale was the only reason GM axed it in the first place.

as far as all this talk about a gazillion engine options,i highly dought it. maybe ,and i mean maybe 2 v6's and 2 v8's. one being a supercharged. so the base v8 will have 400 h/p and th s/c if they even make one will have 450 to 475. they will not make a 500 s/c to compete with the base vette of that year for 15-20k cheaper. there is no way they will shoot them selves in the foot like that.

you also have to remember that the z platform they are building that baby on has been around for what? 5-7yrs. its allready tooled for the most part. they are going to use most of the suspension from the CTS-V so again costs will be down.

they also said that they will be putting out enough 1st year models so we won't have the problems that those poor gt-500 bastards are having. i think it was over 30k units in the first 6mos or 1st year,i can't remember. so that should help price fvckin out alot.

GMhas learned from their mistakes. so don't worry guys. we will all have this AWESOME new camaro. i can't wait.
thanks for reading and i'm sorry it was so long. and i'm sorry if i pissed any of u off. i'm just trying to shed some light.
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Jay,

Welcome to the site. I can tell you share just as much enthusiasm about this car as the rest of us.

However, you may want to check on some of that information. The 2008 vette is not going to have the current Z06's engine (LS7). It is going to have the LS3 that is rated at about 430HP, not 500. You can check out my post here that has a picture and some info. It is post number 69.

The info on the "Z07" or whatever they are calling it today may or may not be accurate, there is little actually known about it.

As for the cost of a Base Vette, you may want to check the chevy website again as they start at $44,995. That price was just recently increased and will most likely remain good for at least a year.

As for the Zeta platform.... I may be wrong about this, but I don't think it has been around for anywhere near 5-7 years, and I don't think the current CTS-V is being built on it. I thought the first American car that will utilize the Zeta chassis will be the Pontiac G8.

You have to be very careful when reading a lot of the info out there as it is almost all meer speculation, so don't take everything as fact.
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thanks Casull, for the welcome.
i agree with u 100%. nothing is really fact untill it hits the road. the specs on the upcomming vette are not fact. motortrend is where i got most of my info on the vette. i was watching a camaro video on you-tube and one of the designers stated that the new camaro was going to share much of the suspension the the CTS-V has on it now.wich is why i thought that the V is the z=platform. and that the pricing was going to be 200. more than a base mustang gt. wich is 24,461 and msrp is 26,440. so in 08 figure the base stang price will go up a few hundred and the camaro will be 200 or more ubove that. so again it shouldn't be no more that 28k msrp for that sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz camaro.

the price i quoted on the base corvette is just the,the base pricing. msrp is 45,075. i thought that because we are all talking about base pricing that i would state that number and not msrp. just so we are clear. no biggie though.

and i am not sure about the zeta platform either. u could be right.

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thanks Casull, for the welcome.
i agree with u 100%. nothing is really fact untill it hits the road. the specs on the upcomming vette are not fact. motortrend is where i got most of my info on the vette. i was watching a camaro video on you-tube and one of the designers stated that the new camaro was going to share much of the suspension the the CTS-V has on it now.wich is why i thought that the V is the z=platform. and that the pricing was going to be 200. more than a base mustang gt. wich is 24,461 and msrp is 26,440. so in 08 figure the base stang price will go up a few hundred and the camaro will be 200 or more ubove that. so again it shouldn't be no more that 28k msrp for that sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz camaro.

the price i quoted on the base corvette is just the,the base pricing. msrp is 45,075. i thought that because we are all talking about base pricing that i would state that number and not msrp. just so we are clear. no biggie though.

and i am not sure about the zeta platform either. u could be right.

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I see what you were saying about the CTS-V. One thing to keep in mind is that two cars can share the same suspension and not necessarily be built on the same platform. If I remember right, the concept actually uses the CTS-V's suspension all together. We will see.

I do know that GM has stated multiple times that the Camaro will be prices within a few hundred of a mustang, so you ar right that we should see a V8 for under 30k... I just hope that V8 comes with an LS on it.
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i hope so too. but whatever it is i really,really hope its a lite car

also i can't wait for it to come out so SLP can come out with a loud mouth cat-back. i've seen the vidoes of it with what i guess is going to be the stock exhaust and it sounds sweet as hell. but if thats not the exhaust it comes with we will need the SLP l/m.
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Haven't logged on in a while so reading this for the first time.

You know even though I won't be able to afford an LS3 version of this car, I'll just be glad that they make it. I want there to be a monster of a "halo" version of this car because it will give the car a completely different image than if they don't really offer anything really exciting in terms of power. Guess what I'm saying is that my V6 or regular V8 Camaro will benefit in image from an LS3 version.
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i hope so too. but whatever it is i really,really hope its a lite car

also i can't wait for it to come out so SLP can come out with a loud mouth cat-back. i've seen the vidoes of it with what i guess is going to be the stock exhaust and it sounds sweet as hell. but if thats not the exhaust it comes with we will need the SLP l/m.

I hope it is a light car too, but weight is the name of the game these days unfortunately.

The Shelby GT500 is a good example how heavy cars are getting again. The Mustang GT coupe weighs in at 35XXlbs depending on options. IMHO that isn't too bad, but not great either. The GTO weighed in at 37XXlbs. Even the Nissan 350Z, a two seater Japanese sports car with a small 3.5L engine is in the 3200-3300lb area.

If the new Camaro can come in under 3750lbs I will be happy.
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I hope it is a light car too, but weight is the name of the game these days unfortunately.

The Shelby GT500 is a good example how heavy cars are getting again. The Mustang GT coupe weighs in at 35XXlbs depending on options. IMHO that isn't too bad, but not great either. The GTO weighed in at 37XXlbs. Even the Nissan 350Z, a two seater Japanese sports car with a small 3.5L engine is in the 3200-3300lb area.

If the new Camaro can come in under 3750lbs I will be happy.
i agree with u. as long as its not at 3700 or above. i guess that would be o.k.
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read this.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/a..._corvette_z07/

i don't know what to think of this. but this is what i was talking about before when we were saying what engine is goin into the vette. it is probable that we won't see a s/c camaro putting down more power than a base vette.

when the c5 era ended chevy put the old z06 motor into the current base corvette. and it looks like it could/will happen again. thats why i was saying that the camaro will prolly have two v-8's available. 1-36x h/p and the other 400 h/p. if there is an ss model with a s/c it won't come near the base corvette out of 505 h/p in the upcomming c-7.
i hope u guys understand what i'm saying. i'm not trying to start a war here,i just want us all to be realistic with whatto expect power wise when this beast comes out. i know that its just a bunch of talk between magazines, but when u think about what has happened in the past and what is being said as to what motor is going to go in the c-7 vette it makes sence.
what do ya's think??
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The base corvette with 500 HP... seems like an aweful lot for a base model, but I guess with the new LS3 at 430-450Hp, 500 is the next logical progression. I just wonder how far it will go. I mean, if this is true, the by 2010 the vette will have a base HP of 500; that is an improvement of 150 HP in only 6 years.

Seeing as how the Camaro has in recent times always had the same engine as the base vette, it makes you wonder if we will not see a 500Hp Z28. I like the sound of that!
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Actually, it's quite possible. GM, I'm sure, has thought about the engine options for the Camaro conflicting w/ those of the vette. They might be concerned that more people would want to buy the new Camaro over the Vette just because they are getting a better motor w/ more hp and saving thousands. I could easily see GM boosting up the power of the vette in a base model just so the public would see who will always be "on top" of the two. Just saying it's a possibility.
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Actually, it's quite possible. GM, I'm sure, has thought about the engine options for the Camaro conflicting w/ those of the vette. They might be concerned that more people would want to buy the new Camaro over the Vette just because they are getting a better motor w/ more hp and saving thousands. I could easily see GM boosting up the power of the vette in a base model just so the public would see who will always be "on top" of the two. Just saying it's a possibility.
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This stuff (articles) is great for conversation, but - Remember when MotorTrend was sure that the Vette would get a 403 hp engine...taking this stuff with a grain of salt is an understatment!
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They could always throw in an identical motor and underrate it like the 4th gen. I'm quite certain I wouldn't be running consistent low 13's stock if I only had 310 HP at the crank. 310 at the ground is more like it. An LS1 is an LS1 is an LS1. Changes to it over the years were across the board, be it in the 'Vette or the F cars. It very well could end up the same way with the new generation. There is definitely more differences in the cars than in the past. The Camaro with it's four seats, IRS(it better not be crap) and powerful motor going up against the current ultimate sports coupe, the BMW M3, and the Corvette, a two seat sports car taking on the world's exotics. I don't see what the problem is. Horsepower ratings don't mean squat in the real world. The Corvette will still be 400-700lbs lighter, and will always be more exclusive and in a completely different class than the Camaro.
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They could always throw in an identical motor and underrate it like the 4th gen. I'm quite certain I wouldn't be running consistent low 13's stock if I only had 310 HP at the crank. 310 at the ground is more like it. An LS1 is an LS1 is an LS1. Changes to it over the years were across the board, be it in the 'Vette or the F cars. It very well could end up the same way with the new generation. There is definitely more differences in the cars than in the past. The Camaro with it's four seats, IRS(it better not be crap) and powerful motor going up against the current ultimate sports coupe, the BMW M3, and the Corvette, a two seat sports car taking on the world's exotics. I don't see what the problem is. Horsepower ratings don't mean squat in the real world. The Corvette will still be 400-700lbs lighter, and will always be more exclusive and in a completely different class than the Camaro.
I agree. I don't think it is a problem. If you talk to just about any Vette owner, they understand what makes their car a Vette besides the name. It is the general public that gets lured into the horsepower marketing ploy that every auto manufacturer uses. "Why would anyone spend $20k more for a Corvette with the same horsepower as a Camaro?" Vette owners realize moreso than most people the great benefits of light weight and aerodynamics!

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Exactly. If I could afford it, or the price of a fully loaded Camaro in '09 is around the same price as a used '06-'07 C6 Z06, my money is going to the Corvette.
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Hey guys i'm new here just thought i'd tell you what i've heard from my uncle on the subject.

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So from what I've heard from my uncle(who i consider my GM insider) it should be a light car. Just my two cents. Sorry if this has already been said and rejected but i didn't read everything yet. and yes I know that its not fact till its in production but i have to pass the time somehow...

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I still can't get by why people say this. You need to understand, I'm not bashing your uncle. But he is telling you what he has heard from the press, and hasn't kept up on the news. The LS2 will be dead as of 2008 +/- a year.
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