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Old 10-17-2008, 04:02 PM   #26
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of course im at work and cant see the picture....

i'll touch on this tomorrow
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For future referance...... wikipedia is not a real source
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It's good enough for a casual discussion. He isn't doing his thesis here.
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It's good enough for a casual discussion. He isn't doing his thesis here.
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They'll make a Cold Air Intake and if you want to get more air into the motor changing the Mass Air sensor will do it. About 300.00 Hundred for the MAS.
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They'll make a Cold Air Intake and if you want to get more air into the motor changing the Mass Air sensor will do it. About 300.00 Hundred for the MAS.
and if its anything like the MAF's for 4th gens, you are better off sticking with your stock one and geting ported ends.

aftermarket maf's are great for stock or lightly modded motors, but they dont do very well when it comes to tuning


then again, there's always speed density mode
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An F22 and a Blackbird can go fast enough to see a pressure change and a ram effect, a car cannot. Reading that it can on wikipedia is about as much use as asking someone on the street since it is written by whoever thinks they know what they are talking about.
I was explaining the existence of something you claimed doesn't exist. Please explain why it's useless on a car motor.
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and if its anything like the MAF's for 4th gens, you are better off sticking with your stock one and geting ported ends.

aftermarket maf's are great for stock or lightly modded motors, but they dont do very well when it comes to tuning


then again, there's always speed density mode
Yea that would be the one MAFs
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for corvette they make something called the "vette-air", it helps "shove" air up & into the filter. It has been shown/proven to help 1/4 mile times and trap speeds!
But it does not show any gains on the dyno...
due to the fact that it only helps when the car is actually moving air and being "forced"
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Yea that would be the one MAFs
yeah, but my point is aftermarket maf's arent worth the money if you plan on doing a lot of modding/tuning with the car.

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for corvette they make something called the "vette-air", it helps "shove" air up & into the filter. It has been shown/proven to help 1/4 mile times and trap speeds!
But it does not show any gains on the dyno...
due to the fact that it only helps when the car is actually moving air and being "forced"
same concept as this.....
http://www.lt1engine.com/tech/f-body-lt1-free-ram-air/

only you have a RCAI..... Ram Cold Air Intake....


you are basically supplementing the cold air intake of the vette with the "ram air" box. you are basically giving the incoming air a route in which to flow smoother instead of it just coming from all directions
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Old 10-18-2008, 10:51 AM   #36
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ok.... got to see what kyle was thinking... not a bad idea....

in fact it's already in use with the Holden Commodores and Utes







however, you still need to work out the fitment issues with the intake in front of the hood latch
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My friends Kia had an intake like on that BMW ^^. We took it off an put on a K&N cone and gained more hp with the filter bringing in air from the engine bay. I can't prove the power gains but he keeps up better when we accelerate up to the speed limit as fast as we can.LOL But I'm sure the air temp will be lower like that.

This is what I want to get on my Camaro, just a simple cone filter with an enclosed box around it. Also a fat Strut brace like in the picture. (GTO)
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My friends Kia had an intake like on that BMW ^^. We took it off an put on a K&N cone and gained more hp with the filter bringing in air from the engine bay. I can't prove the power gains but he keeps up better when we accelerate up to the speed limit as fast as we can.LOL But I'm sure the air temp will be lower like that.

This is what I want to get on my Camaro, just a simple cone filter with an enclosed box around it. Also a fat Strut brace like in the picture. (GTO)
I think it had a lot to do with a freer-flowing filter, not the fact that it was moved to the engine bay.
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I think it had a lot to do with a freer-flowing filter, not the fact that it was moved to the engine bay.
Just guessing, but that's the stock location
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Just guessing, but that's the stock location
Yeah, but he was referring to moving it from the above position in the commodore/ute to where it was in his picture...This is where the stock location for the Camaro will be!
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I was explaining the existence of something you claimed doesn't exist. Please explain why it's useless on a car motor.
CLUE: google...cold air density and venturi effect
For exactly the reason I stated. A car cannot go fast enough to introduce any pressure differential just by moving through the air. Gas is considered incompressible when the speed is below .3 mach which is about 230 mph depending on altitude. In other words, unless you can go faster then that, ram air doesn't exist.
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Don't tell the Pontiac Ram Air boys that. Cowl induction, Trans Am shakers, Corvette Z06 and ZR1 front fascia scoops, even NASCAR race cars use an air pick-up at the base of the windshield (cowl induction) to utilize the pressure coming off the windshield. Either many a horsepower has been gained with ram air, or an awful lot of people and engineers are full of garbage. IDK...
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Yeah, but he was referring to moving it from the above position in the commodore/ute to where it was in his picture...This is where the stock location for the Camaro will be!
I guess I don't understand what you saying... that's the stock location for all 4 cars (ute, commadore, gto and camaro) - Are you talking about adding the air scoop above the radiator support, or are you talking about adding a K&N and removing the stock cover?

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For exactly the reason I stated. A car cannot go fast enough to introduce any pressure differential just by moving through the air. Gas is considered incompressible when the speed is below .3 mach which is about 230 mph depending on altitude. In other words, unless you can go faster then that, ram air doesn't exist.
It's more about density than compression - trying to access the cooler denser air outside the engine compartment, and I sure wouldn't call that ram air
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It's more about density than compression - trying to access the cooler denser air outside the engine compartment, and I sure wouldn't call that ram air
Exactly, all those intake systems gain power by getting cooler denser air into the engine not by getting more air in due to a pressure increase.
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For exactly the reason I stated. A car cannot go fast enough to introduce any pressure differential just by moving through the air. Gas is considered incompressible when the speed is below .3 mach which is about 230 mph depending on altitude. In other words, unless you can go faster then that, ram air doesn't exist.
Where did you get your information?

Here's a very good article about cold air intake that also addresses the issue of ram-air.
http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/...es/rpo_zl2.htm

Keep in mind that hood is 40 years old. I guess they didn't know ram air doesn't exist under ~230mph. Silly Mr. Shinoda

Also keep in mind the ram air turbulence is no longer an issue, and any gain in air pressure at the intake is good, blowers attest to that fact to an extreme. The engines are considerably smaller, but motorcycles are seeing very good gains from ram-air.

I should also mention, I never stated incredible gains from ram-air in an auto, if you'll re-read my posts you'll see I'm touting 'cold air' intake. But when you say ram air doesn't exist, well, it does but only at ~230, well it does, but it's somewhat insignificant for a car...That last part I'll come closer to agree with. I'm sure you'll also agree that most of us at some time or another have used 'tricks' to gain even insignificant horsepower...K&N maybe? Hotter plugs? You get the idea.
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It's more about density than compression - trying to access the cooler denser air outside the engine compartment, and I sure wouldn't call that ram air
In this case, air density and air compression (pressure) are the same thing. And that's exactly what it is...Ram Air. Guess what a blower is...Yup, a mechanical Ram Air.
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