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Old 10-16-2008, 08:38 AM   #1
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V6 Camaro and SS Cobalt will NOT get its ass bust by Genesis coupe/ Challenger might

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The Genesis Coupe is being launched in South Korea this week, and we've already heard from CAR regarding their testing of the 310-hp 3.8L V6 model. Hyundai released its own performance numbers for the hotly anticipated RWD coupe, and it also included information for the turbocharged 2.0L base model. While CAR achieved a fairly respectable 0-60 time of 5.9 seconds for the V6 model, Hyundai is claiming a sprint to 62 takes 6.3 seconds.

In the Korean home market, the force-fed 2.0L base model will achieve 223 hp and 220 lb-ft with premium fuel, and 210 hp with regular. U.S. customers will reportedly only receive the 210-hp version, and you'll hit that magic number at 6,000 RPM while the turbocharged nature of the 2.0L helps you hit peak torque at a low 2,000 RPM. Hyundai claims the base Coupe's 0-62 time is a rather leisurely 8.3 seconds, but we're guessing that plenty of enthusiasts will get their hands underhood in an effort to greatly boost those numbers.

Korean market pricing starts at 23,200,000 Korean won for the base model and 33,920,000 won for the top of the line V6 model. That's $18,728 and $27,382 in U.S. currency, but Hyundai won't announce official U.S. pricing until closer to the Genesis Coupe's spring 2009 debut.

UPDATE: A source inside Hyundai has told Autoblog to expect a 0-60 time of around 7.5 seconds for the 2.0-liter turbocharged Genesis Coupe. The combination of less weight (under 3,500 pounds) and a retuned engine (Hyundai is still months away from launching the Coupe in the U.S.) will bring performance up to par, compared to its Korean counterpart.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:41 AM   #2
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re; "Camaro V6 getting it's a@@ busted by the Genesis"?

DON'T COUNT ON IT.

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Old 10-16-2008, 08:48 AM   #3
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If the price point is $27k+ then the camaro V6 will win in the cost department. That just seems a bit pricey for them to enter this market. Their cars bost equal quality and performance for less $. That is what their branding market is. If they entered the V6 at 27k no one will buy it over many of the other vehichles that can go 5.9 0-60 for that price.

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Old 10-16-2008, 09:30 AM   #4
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You have to be Kidding....

It can't even match the Cobalt SS in performance.. 260HP, 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, .9G skidpad rating and all for 22K..(All this from the Speed website) both the Genisis V6 and turbo are a joke...
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:50 AM   #5
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Similar performance to the LS/LT Camaro, at a price similar to the 2LT (somewhat more than the base LS). What about fuel economy, features, and interior quality?
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:10 AM   #6
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27k for their top model that may bust our base V6s a$$?
doesn't sound too fair to me
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:56 AM   #7
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If the price point is $27k+ then the camaro V6 will win in the cost department. That just seems a bit pricey for them to enter this market. Their cars bost equal quality and performance for less $. That is what their branding market is. If they entered the V6 at 27k no one will buy it over many of the other vehichles that can go 5.9 0-60 for that price.

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stop comparing cars based solely on quarter times
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:26 AM   #8
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Bwahaha lawl lawl lawl!!!!11oneoneleven!!! The cobalt ss/tc would rape that and it's cheaper and it's cooler and only 4 cylinders
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:32 AM   #9
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so i heard the rear end doesnt look like a g37 with hyundi badging? the interior looks pretty decent just not a fan of all the little button and big knobs. the gauges are nice.
camaro interior>genesis interior.
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:33 AM   #10
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stop comparing cars based solely on quarter times
Performance alone? no. Performance + something else? sure!
The way I look at it, there are 3 categorys when it comes to comparing cars by the numbers:
What it has
What it does
How much does it cost

So comparing cars based on what it does (0-60) then saying the better one is the one that is less expensive is fine. It makes a lot more sense than comparing cars based on horse power (V6 Camaro vs Mustang GT)
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:40 AM   #11
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To echo the sentiments above, re; comparing 1/4 mi. times, other than bragging rights/bench racing, most people are also concerned with handling, driveability, ease of use, etc., not just 1/4 mi. times.

Sure, looking at 1/4 mi. times is something we all do, but as the saying goes, "There will always be someone faster than you."

So, while 1/4 mi. times are important, it's not the defining factor in what makes a great sports/muscle car.
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Old 10-16-2008, 12:05 PM   #12
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Don't forget resale value, not that domsetics are the king of that. Co-worker had a Hyundai. In his words don't buy one unless you want to keep it forever. Never could sell the thing, ended up donating it for a small tax right off. Probably improved in that aspect, but still something to consider.

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Old 10-16-2008, 12:15 PM   #13
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re; "Camaro V6 getting it's a@@ busted by the Genesis"?

DON'T COUNT ON IT.

I agree 100%
The V6 Camaro will be mildly quicker (at LEAST as quick) than its top-of-the-line model. I'd bet it'll handle better, too. For alot less $$$.
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Old 10-16-2008, 12:21 PM   #14
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lets face it thought. for the money hyundai wants, not many people are gonna say OMG i need that Hyundai. its alot of money when there are better brands to buy for similar price and performance.......all in all Muscle master i give this trolling a 5/10.......
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lets face it thought. for the money hyundai wants, not many people are gonna say OMG i need that Hyundai. its alot of money when there are better brands to buy for similar price and performance.......all in all Muscle master i give this trolling a 5/10.......
Lol its was noting else to talk about
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Old 10-16-2008, 12:34 PM   #16
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Lol its was noting else to talk about
I think the real title here should be...



Genesis Coupe Destorys V6 Challenger/Charger!!!!!!
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hyundai used to say the genesis is going to be the cheapest 300hp car. i doubt it now that we know what the maro costs the gen coupe overall is nice, but the front is just plain ugly. wuah.
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hyundai used to say the genesis is going to be the cheapest 300hp car. i doubt it now that we know what the maro costs the gen coupe overall is nice, but the front is just plain ugly. wuah.
They probably weren't expecting the Camaro to have the full 300 hp DI engine from the CTS. Looks like the were aiming to undercut the Mustang by just enough.
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Old 10-16-2008, 01:03 PM   #19
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Genesis Coupe Destorys V6 Challenger/Charger!!!!!!
can we get a mod to change the thread tittle to acurately reflect its contents plz
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Looks like a toss between an Accord and and one of those newer Escorts. What were they, ZX2's or something??

The Camaro V6 should still walk all over that Genesis, and the Cobalt SS/TC isn't gonna have ANY trouble smoking that thing. The new Turbo Cobalts are runnin 12's with a tune, and cat-back exhaust for cryin out loud. LOL!!
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Old 10-16-2008, 04:18 PM   #21
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stop comparing cars based solely on quarter times
The point is I WASN'T comparing on just 1/4 mile. If you read my post it 1st suggested cars in the same market PRICE. From there I then compared the cars that would be compeditors of the hyundi coupe in performance.

I didn't even mention 1/4 mile times in there. But the fact of the matter is that those cars I listed would be competition for this V6. Not just in "1/4" but in price, overall performance, and then the obvious bias categories like looks, appointments, etc. They pride themselves on low cost, competative styling and performance, and an outstanding warrenty. If this car comes in at 27K+ then it has already lost the biggest battle.
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Thanks Mod Who changed the title.....its epic now...
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lol title change
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i am actually a fan of this car... although not the v6... ill take a 19 grand turbo 4 with a 8 year warrenty and 38 mpg... and decent quarter times BEFORE a boost in turb and tune.... you guys can argue all you want but its a barn burner... less than 20 you can have a turbo rwd coupe

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stop comparing cars based solely on quarter times
Getting a little touchy huh..
You did not include any performance info other than accelleration times and horsepower.. how else can we compare them???
I did point out the Cobalt ss had a .9 G skidpad rating, so i guess it will hold it's own on the roadcourse...in fact it laps the ring in 8 min 22 seconds.

What did that Hyundog do it in?
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