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Old 05-16-2010, 03:53 PM   #1
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Should Video Games Be covered under the 1st amendment?

First I would like to say, this thread is NOT open for political discussion. This is about video games and the future of gaming that this Supreme Court hearing holds. Keep ALL replies about video games and your opinions on whether or not they should be covered by the first amendment.

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One of if not the most important video gaming case is going to the US Supreme Court. Should Video Games Be covered under the 1st amendment?

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For nearly two decades, elected officials have tried to regulate which video games you can buy, rent and play. Every single time they’ve passed a law, the federal courts have struck it down as unconstitutional. But this may change this fall.

The Supreme Court of the United States has agreed to hear the State of California’s infamous ‘violent video game case,’ Schwarzenegger v. EMA. That means that this year, or early next, the Court is going to decide whether to agree with the lower federal courts or not. Agreeing would mean that they believe that video games are, and should continue to be, First Amendment protected speech; just like books, movies and music. The court disagreeing would mean that they think video games should be treated differently. This could lead to new bills and laws curtailing video game access in states across the country.

It is no exaggeration to state that their hearing represents the single most important moment for gamers, and the pivotal issue for gaming, in the sector’s history.

Over this summer, we’ll be drafting and formally submitting our amicus brief, which will be included with the other official court documents related to the case. Separately, we will also attach a petition signed by you, the American public, which –by its very existence – will publicly define who the consumers of interactive entertainment are and why we care enough about the issue to take the time to make the effort to speak up and make our voices heard. The petition establishes an authoritative collective position which cannot be redefined by detractors nor co-opted by others. And it enshrines each and every signatory’s participation in the court documents and in the U.S. National Archives’ official records related to the case.

If you’re an American gamer, and you care about gaming and your rights, stand up and be counted; sign the petition today!
Please sign the petition below if you agree. This one court case can very well change how we and our kids are able to buy and play video games in the future.

http://action.theeca.com/p/dia/actio...ction_KEY=1781

Also I would also like to ask, if you are a gamer to PLEASE pass this on to your friends, family, other forums and anybody else you may know that plays games and wants to protect their ability to buy and play games they want as they see fit.

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Old 05-16-2010, 04:15 PM   #2
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All gamers should have the right to tube the noobz. Look at Australia. They can't even get half the games we do because their classification system doesn't have an 18+ M rated category. So if it can't get a Teen rating it's pretty much an X rating and the game never hit's there shores. :(
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Old 05-16-2010, 07:35 PM   #3
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All gamers should have the right to tube the noobz. Look at Australia. They can't even get half the games we do because their classification system doesn't have an 18+ M rated category. So if it can't get a Teen rating it's pretty much an X rating and the game never hit's there shores. :(






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Where is the petition?
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Old 05-16-2010, 07:55 PM   #5
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Where is the petition?
Bah hold on let me fix the link. I screwed it up with all my copying and pasting. I've been posting this on a couple other forums all day and got tired so I just copied and pasted one of my other threads which screwed up the link.

There we go all better.
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Old 05-16-2010, 08:00 PM   #6
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All gamers should have the right to tube the noobz. Look at Australia. They can't even get half the games we do because their classification system doesn't have an 18+ M rated category. So if it can't get a Teen rating it's pretty much an X rating and the game never hit's there shores. :(


I totally agree which is why I started this thread.

My biggest fear is not just the limitation of what can be bought but the limitation of what developers can make. This one hearing has the capability of completely ruining the gaming industry.
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No games should not be covered under the first amendment.
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No games should not be covered under the first amendment.
If I may ask, why do you believe this?

The 1st amendment gives us the freedom and the right to express ourselves in any way we choose as long as it is done so using lawful means. Should game developers not have the freedom to express themselves and their artistic abilities by creating games they choose? Should gamers not have the freedom to express themselves by purchasing and playing games that they choose? The 1st amendment already covers paintings, drawings, movies and music so why not games as well?

Please tell me, why do you think games should not be covered?
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It irritates me to hell and back when people try to censor video games.
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If I may ask, why do you believe this?

The 1st amendment gives us the freedom and the right to express ourselves in any way we choose as long as it is done so using lawful means. Should game developers not have the freedom to express themselves and their artistic abilities by creating games they choose? Should gamers not have the freedom to express themselves by purchasing and playing games that they choose? The 1st amendment already covers paintings, drawings, movies and music so why not games as well?

Please tell me, why do you think games should not be covered?
I think he's agreeing with you...
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Old 05-16-2010, 08:19 PM   #11
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I think he's agreeing with you...
Well after looking at it a second time I can see where you can get this. It all depends on the punctuation of the sentence. I read it as "No, games should not be covered under the first amendment."
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I think he's agreeing with you...
I think you're right. Perhaps a bit lost?
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It irritates me to hell and back when people try to censor video games.


It grinds my gears when parents can't take one second out of their lives and actually look at the games that they are buying their children. Then when the kids get home and all the sudden their kids are killing people, "OMG" the parents say, and then they start screaming censorshit! Parents have to take some responsibility here, and quit blaming the gaming industry for things that the parents themselves could have easily avoided by reading the ESRB rating on the back of the case.
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I don't see why they sensor it to begin with. You'll see worse things on youtube these days...I know some people think of video games as an escape from reality, well if some people want that escape to involve killin 500 aliens or terrorists so be it, it's their right...there is too much money involved now to start banning games like modern warfare or halo. Look at the tv shows they are showing these days, there really isn't much comparison of violence, sexual content, and offensive language between games and t.v. now...and hardly anybody complains about tv anymore. imo I'm a video game addict, and can't wait for red dead redemption to come out tomorrow....ya'll have a great day
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It grinds my gears when parents can't take one second out of their lives and actually look at the games that they are buying their children. Then when the kids get home and all the sudden their kids are killing people, "OMG" the parents say, and then they start screaming censorshit! Parents have to take some responsibility here, and quit blaming the gaming industry for things that the parents themselves could have easily avoided by reading the ESRB rating on the back of the case.


I let my 6yo play gears or war, call of duty, spinter cell...any game he wants really. People need to quit blaming stuff kids do on video games and accept responsibility for the real problem....their parenting.

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If I may ask, why do you believe this?

The 1st amendment gives us the freedom and the right to express ourselves in any way we choose as long as it is done so using lawful means. Should game developers not have the freedom to express themselves and their artistic abilities by creating games they choose? Should gamers not have the freedom to express themselves by purchasing and playing games that they choose? The 1st amendment already covers paintings, drawings, movies and music so why not games as well?

Please tell me, why do you think games should not be covered?
The bolded text has a theme: these are all types of media that have become common place. Video games definitely fall into this category as well and therefore should be protected by the constitution.
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I let my 6yo play gears or war, call of duty, spinter cell...any game he wants really. People need to quit blaming stuff kids do on video games and accept responsibility for the real problem....their parenting.

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I'd rather have a way to be able to restrict porn access on the internet than censor a game. take an adult video store. if you are underage you can't buy an adult mag or vid.

But you can damn sure stumble across it on the web.....

As long as Games follow a rating system for parents to be able to assess the content then so be it. And if it is illegal to purchase a game based on your age without a parent... That's all I can ask for as a parent. Even if a friend of a friend buys a game for my kids, I should still be checking to see what my kids are doing and make a decision.

I dont' need law or Gov. to help me raise my kids. I need tools to determine what is good and bad for my kids.

When they turn 18 or 21. Then it's on them.
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It grinds my gears when parents can't take one second out of their lives and actually look at the games that they are buying their children. Then when the kids get home and all the sudden their kids are killing people, "OMG" the parents say, and then they start screaming censorshit! Parents have to take some responsibility here, and quit blaming the gaming industry for things that the parents themselves could have easily avoided by reading the ESRB rating on the back of the case.
The role of a parent is to protect and guide children. When parents fail to do either, children do some crazy things. They don't know any better.
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The role of a parent is to protect and guide children. When parents fail to do either, children do some crazy things. They don't know any better.
Maybe at the age of 3..... But not as a teenager... They know exactly what they are doing.
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I don't see how you can disconnect the Gov. from this topic.
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I don't see how you can disconnect the Gov. from this topic.
Done alright so far. Give it a chance.
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I'd rather have a way to be able to restrict porn access on the internet than censor a game. take an adult video store. if you are underage you can't buy an adult mag or vid.

But you can damn sure stumble across it on the web.....

As long as Games follow a rating system for parents to be able to assess the content then so be it. And if it is illegal to purchase a game based on your age without a parent... That's all I can ask for as a parent. Even if a friend of a friend buys a game for my kids, I should still be checking to see what my kids are doing and make a decision.

I dont' need law or Gov. to help me raise my kids. I need tools to determine what is good and bad for my kids.

When they turn 18 or 21. Then it's on them.
Well said.
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I'd rather have a way to be able to restrict porn access on the internet than censor a game. take an adult video store. if you are underage you can't buy an adult mag or vid.

But you can damn sure stumble across it on the web.....
Agreed. I can't seem to understand why they even bother to ask for age at an adult video store anymore.
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Depends on how the first amendment is applied here I would think. Also, it would depend on the content. It's not a slam dunk because the legal process is far different than emotional responses. Just because you think it should/shouldn't be regulated, doesn't mean the legality issues will make a decision you like.

Regardless, I'm thinking a video game would not be unlike a newspaper website, which is a protected form of media. But as was mentioned, as long as there are tools for parents to evaluate the game as what's proper for their family, that should be good enough.

Like just about everything else, let the people decide. Don't need any nanny state telling us what we should read/watch/play.
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