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Old 05-20-2010, 06:03 PM   #1
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Thinking of Doing Nitrous to the mighty V6.

what should i be looking for/ into. and what should i know. ive heard that it will mess up your motor. and that its bad. and of course its cheating but w.e. im thinking of doing it because i feel our 3rd and 4th gears are LONG! as in they take a while to go up. and with a little 50 or 75 or 100 shot. i would be more than please. please put your input please.
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Old 05-20-2010, 07:53 PM   #2
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what should i be looking for/ into. and what should i know. ive heard that it will mess up your motor. and that its bad. and of course its cheating but w.e. im thinking of doing it because i feel our 3rd and 4th gears are LONG! as in they take a while to go up. and with a little 50 or 75 or 100 shot. i would be more than please. please put your input please.
Couple things... done correctly N20 will not mess up your motor... second, it's NOT cheating. And finally running N20 on the street is not only illegal in 39 states, it's also going to be a bit useless.. It really is meant for the track... In the 1/4 mile you are really not going to hit 4th gear...

I posted a much of N20 info in one of the other threads... let me see if I can find it...
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Old 05-20-2010, 07:57 PM   #3
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start at post #50...
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Old 05-20-2010, 08:18 PM   #4
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100 shot will kill that motor. It's not designed to take load. Pull it out and upgrade the internals if you really want to do that.
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100 shot will kill that motor. It's not designed to take load. Pull it out and upgrade the internals if you really want to do that.
evidence to back up your claim?

The LLT is a pretty robust motor:

http://gmhightechperformance.automot...n-chamber.html
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It's extremely efficient but it's nowhere near as well designed and built as the new 3.0. It's like comparing an LS3 to an LS7. The LS3 is robust but it's no LS7.
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It's extremely efficient but it's nowhere near as well designed and built as the new 3.0. It's like comparing an LS3 to an LS7. The LS3 is robust but it's no LS7.
Still haven't answered my question? Do you have any evidence to back up your claim this motor won't handle a 100 shot?
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Still haven't answered my question? Do you have any evidence to back up your claim this motor won't handle a 100 shot?
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:12 PM   #10
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:29 PM   #12
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No game.... just asking you to back up your claim... if you are going to make a very general and bold claim like that, please be prepared to explain your position and provide us with more facts to back it up...
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zex says you can run a 100 shot......
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:20 AM   #14
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No game.... just asking you to back up your claim... if you are going to make a very general and bold claim like that, please be prepared to explain your position and provide us with more facts to back it up...
Okay then.....you back up your claim that the LLT can take 100 shot. I want to know how many runs it's good for and why you think it's internals can take it. The burden of proof is actually with you!
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No game.... just asking you to back up your claim... if you are going to make a very general and bold claim like that, please be prepared to explain your position and provide us with more facts to back it up...
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Okay then.....you back up your claim that the LLT can take 100 shot. I want to know how many runs it's good for and why you think it's internals can take it. The burden of proof is actually with you!
Actually, in this case, i'd think the burden of proof is with both of you. I'd actually like to hear both reasons with facts if possible.
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actually, i just read scrming's link. and it shows more to his point than the point that the engine can't handle 100shot.

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In sum, this mill has a lot going for it: it's a heck of a medium-displacement engine that promises additional fuel economy and reduced cost over the V-8s while still providing at least 300 horsepower. And while we haven't seen any forced-induced Saturn Outlooks prowling the streets, the LLT should be sturdy enough to tolerate abundant power-enhancing modifications. Fans of fourth-gen, 3800 V-6 Camaros, rejoice: the LLT is ushering in a new era of six-cylinder Camaro performance. We say, "bring it on!"
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actually, i just read scrming's link. and it shows more to his point than the point that the engine can't handle 100shot.
Okay I am game for a good discussion/debate. Provided the other side will come to the table with their proof as well.


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In sum, this mill has a lot going for it: it's a heck of a medium-displacement engine that promises additional fuel economy and reduced cost over the V-8s while still providing at least 300 horsepower. And while we haven't seen any forced-induced Saturn Outlooks prowling the streets, the LLT should be sturdy enough to tolerate abundant power-enhancing modifications. Fans of fourth-gen, 3800 V-6 Camaros, rejoice: the LLT is ushering in a new era of six-cylinder Camaro performance. We say, "bring it on!"

BTW - I do not trasnslate "tolerate abundant power-enhancing modifications" as being able to take shot. I suspect the author was talking about bolt-ons and perhaps a cam.
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Okay I am game for a good discussion/debate. Provided the other side will come to the table with their proof as well.


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BTW - I do not trasnslate "tolerate abundant power-enhancing modifications" as being able to take shot. I suspect the author was talking about bolt-ons and perhaps a cam.
can the 4th gen v6's take 100 shot?
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Ide be alot more worried about the transmissions than I would the motor.
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can the 4th gen v6's take 100 shot?
Let's see -

cast block
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can the 4th gen v6's take 100 shot?
I don't know about the 4th gens.... my Ford 4.0 V6 took a 100 HP shot with no issues... Couple people said the same thing, that the 4.0 would never take ANY boost or N20.. I ran a LOT of N20 through my 4.0! And know a lot of guys running 10 to 12 PSI with no issues...
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Let's see -

cast block
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SORRY, I didn't see you were responding to the 4th Gen question! My bad...

For the 3.6L DI, however:

Crankshaft: Forged steel
Connecting rods: Sinter forged steel
Main bearing caps: Sintered steel

also:

- Cast aluminum structural oil pan stiffens the cylinder block structure and reduces noise

− Oil jets cool the pistons, while polymer-coated skirts reduce noise and friction

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http://www.gmpowertrain.ca/Product/3...ro%20Specs.pdf

As I mentioned... my 4.0 was not this robust and it happy with the 100 HP shot...
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Ide be alot more worried about the transmissions than I would the motor.
manual perhaps... Automatics are a bit more resilient...
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