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Old 05-04-2010, 05:47 PM   #1
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Oo Er.. doubting getting the Z/28 now..

It was exciting to know that confirmation of the Z/28's arrival in 2011 is getting stronger. However, that made me think whether I really wanted to get it.

The thing is, the 2010 SS has excellent performance numbers. However, I took it for a test drive and the experience left me lukewarm. I did however enjoy the test drive of the 2010 Shelby GT500.

Now I am thinking the Z/28 will place better on the road or have better handling but I don't know for sure. The problem is I will probably never get a test drive for a long time (maybe 1-2 years after release?) since every order will be virtually a sold order. It took me about a year from release to get a test drive of the 2010 SS.

So I am full of extreme doubt right now. It is a huge risk not to test drive it before purchasing due to my experiences with the 2010 SS test drive. Conceivably I could make a test drive conditional of a purchase when I order the Z/28, but I think it is too much of a commitment too late. I could be driving in a 2011 Shelby GT500 in Spring 2011 rather than roll the dice with a Fall 2011 Z/28 test drive (which would mean if I didn't like it I would have to wait until Spring 2012 to purchase a Shelby GT500).

Anyway: I was wondering if anyone can give their 2c on the matter.
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I never test drove a single car I bought and I was never dissapointed.
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well do what you want. seems like the shelby is the thing for you. waiting isn't for everyone. takes a special kind of individual to be able to wait for something worth it now a-days. with the gotta have it now generation.

so do what you think is right buy a shelby now and have the question of did you purchase the wrong vehicle all the way up until the Z comes out or wait and have the doubt that you shouldn't have waited until the Z comes out. either way you need to commit to something and stick with it. no second guessing. just enjoy whatever decision you make.
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I'm not sure how comparing driving SS to a car that's not even out yet will really give you an objective opinion, however, it really sounds like you want to go fast now. You can't go wrong with the Shelby, for sure, so maybe that's the direction you should go. It's hard for me to think in that mindset, because I'm a diehard Z28 guy, and believe Z28 should be something special (mostly because SS, in recent years, has been splashed on so many Chevy models) that a Camaro fanatic will appreciate, that's a step up from SS. I might still end up with SS (probably due to how much I'm sure Z28 will cost) and will have to make my own Z28, but I'll still wish it were a Z28. Z28 was my first car, my second car, and I hope I can make it my third. My point is, go with your gut. It already seems like you've made up your mind, and it doesn't sound like it really matters what you drive as long as it fits your performance expectations.

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Yeah the timing is bad. If the Z/28 were out for 3-4 years, that will be ideal. Then I can really make a proper assessment on my preferred car, and the Z/28 can properly improve to an ideal state.

The other problem is apparently the Camaro might move to alpha platform in 2014 which will probably leap-frog it ahead of the Mustang and correct many issues such as weight and visibility. Things will continually get better. But as someone said before: "if you keep waiting for the ideal car, you will never end up buying any car because cars are always improving". Therefore 2011 is the year of my car. I guess I will wait for the 2011 Shelby GT500 performance numbers and the 2012 Z/28 news before making my final decision.
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I never test drove a single car I bought and I was never dissapointed.
Me either. I am a firm believer that test driving CAUSES dissappointment because it points out the things you liked more about other cars because they all have trade offs!
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It was exciting to know that confirmation of the Z/28's arrival in 2011 is getting stronger. However, that made me think whether I really wanted to get it.

The thing is, the 2010 SS has excellent performance numbers. However, I took it for a test drive and the experience left me lukewarm. I did however enjoy the test drive of the 2010 Shelby GT500.

Now I am thinking the Z/28 will place better on the road or have better handling but I don't know for sure. The problem is I will probably never get a test drive for a long time (maybe 1-2 years after release?) since every order will be virtually a sold order. It took me about a year from release to get a test drive of the 2010 SS.

So I am full of extreme doubt right now. It is a huge risk not to test drive it before purchasing due to my experiences with the 2010 SS test drive. Conceivably I could make a test drive conditional of a purchase when I order the Z/28, but I think it is too much of a commitment too late. I could be driving in a 2011 Shelby GT500 in Spring 2011 rather than roll the dice with a Fall 2011 Z/28 test drive (which would mean if I didn't like it I would have to wait until Spring 2012 to purchase a Shelby GT500).

Anyway: I was wondering if anyone can give their 2c on the matter.
One other thought...

With the reworked 2011 mustang GT, and the 2012 addition of the Z28, I'd anticipate the 2012 shelby will probably be as much of an improvement over the 2011 as the 2011 GT is over the 2010.... just my thoughts.
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Dude...really this again? I am now convinced you are a dreaming school boy...nothing wrong with that..but don't act like you really plan on buying a Z or a GT500 any time in the remote future...

This is at least the 3rd thread of this type this member has posted...
1st it was "loosing interest in the SS"...then that part 2..now this...
Either go get the GT500 and post some pics or go back to the Huffy forum.
If you aren't a kid maybe you need to talk with someone...you know lay on the couch for awhile...

Unreal.

BTW I am not a Camaro fanboy as you called some who called you out in other threads....just saying how old your threads on this subject are getting...
Seriously kid..knock it off.
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what did you not like during your test drive?
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Dude...really this again? I am now convinced you are a dreaming school boy...nothing wrong with that..but don't act like you really plan on buying a Z or a GT500 any time in the remote future...

This is at least the 3rd thread of this type this member has posted...
1st it was "loosing interest in the SS"...then that part 2..now this...
Either go get the GT500 and post some pics or go back to the Huffy forum.
If you aren't a kid maybe you need to talk with someone...you know lay on the couch for awhile...

Unreal.

BTW I am not a Camaro fanboy as you called some who called you out in other threads....just saying how old your threads on this subject are getting...
Seriously kid..knock it off.
you do realize that if I post pics of me smirking beside my car, I will be guilty of the very pretentiousness that your cynicism is implying. And even if I did that, you'd think that I was faking the pic.

I'll tell you what: you prove you're not a hypocrite by doing what you've asked of others: post a picture of your car, your house and especially your face so that I can judge all of your forum posts based on pictures of your private life.

I'm convinced that you're a primary school kid based on your bad English and your inability to think outside the box that maybe other people think differently to you, and therefore conduct themselves on a forum different to you.
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what did you not like during your test drive?
the late engagement of the clutch and the handling: specifically placing the car precisely on the road. I'm not sure whether it was because of the visibility or the sheer width of the car or the suspension.
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One other thought...

With the reworked 2011 mustang GT, and the 2012 addition of the Z28, I'd anticipate the 2012 shelby will probably be as much of an improvement over the 2011 as the 2011 GT is over the 2010.... just my thoughts.
I've read that DI is in the next iteration.
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you do realize that if I post pics of me smirking beside my car, I will be guilty of the very pretentiousness that your cynicism is implying. And even if I did that, you'd think that I was faking the pic.

I'll tell you what: you prove you're not a hypocrite by doing what you've asked of others: post a picture of your car, your house and especially your face so that I can judge all of your forum posts based on pictures of your private life.

I'm convinced that you're a primary school kid based on your bad English and your inability to think outside the box that maybe other people think differently to you, and therefore conduct themselves on a forum different to you.

So....just make a decision for yourself like an adult and buy a damn car or don't. Asking questions to may an educated purchase is one thing but starting multiple threads about how you can't make a decison, asking people to talk you into buying a Camaro over a GT500,then asking about the handling of a car that isn't even available and that no one can talk about even if it exisits because you may want it instead of the GT500 ect...is plain ridiculous.


"smirking" huh?
I don't care if you post pics or not...matter of fact I wouldn't care if the above was your last post ever...I'd actually prefer that
And eventually 90% of the members on this forum will get tired of you BS threads and you will move on to muck up some other forum...hopefully sooner than later.
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and the handling: specifically placing the car precisely on the road. I'm not sure whether it was because of the visibility or the sheer width of the car or the suspension.

Sounds like a poor driver to me..seriously. Maybe you are used to a GoKart or need one..lots of visibility and plenty narrow so you can keep it in a lane...
And let me guess you still haven't driven a GT500 have you?
You are trying to sound like you know something about driving...but it isn't working.


I stand by the fact that your threads and posts are pure
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highoctane - do you have a lot of time on your hands or do you like to stalk me? Seriously, why do you care so much what kind of questions I ask on this board?

FYI, I ask them because I have about 1 year to wait till I get my car. So why not talk about it, that's what a forum is for is it not? Or do you suppose a forum exists purely for you to harass people. Go start your own thread, I promise I won't care about yours if you promise you will ignore mine. Okay? Seems like the mature thing for you to do.
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highoctane - do you have a lot of time on your hands or do you like to stalk me? Seriously, why do you care so much what kind of questions I ask on this board?

FYI, I ask them because I have about 1 year to wait till I get my car. So why not talk about it, that's what a forum is for is it not? Or do you suppose a forum exists purely for you to harass people. Go start your own thread, I promise I won't care about yours if you promise you will ignore mine. Okay? Seems like the mature thing for you to do.
I don't have alot of time on my hands...that is why I detest you wasting peoples time with worthless threads such as this one...
I am all for helping when I can as are most of the members here..so they will waste their time unkowingly responding to the same questions you have asked over and over in multiple threads.

To anyone who cares...search the OPs previous threads before you waste your time giving him advice...
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stop the bickering. You don't like the thread, then stay out of it.
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Guys, guys there's no need to keep beating a dead horse.

OP Just get the gt500, if thats what you want then get it.. simple as that.

I don't own a gt500.. so I couldn't back this up, but I heard the stock tires suck.. just saying
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I don't have alot of time on my hands...that is why I detest you wasting peoples time with worthless threads such as this one...
I am all for helping when I can as are most of the members here..so they will waste their time unkowingly responding to the same questions you have asked over and over in multiple threads.

To anyone who cares...search the OPs previous threads before you waste your time giving him advice...
That's illogical. To save time, people can opt out of clicking on the thread. I fail to see what compels you to click on a thread that obviously annoys you. And by the way, you're the only one who consistently harasses me, so yeah it's just you on the whiney whiney horse. But nice try asking people to join you on your funny ride.

Despite how much you annoy me, do you see me going to your threads to harass you? No, because my time is too precious to waste and I respect your right to write whatever you wish. One wonders why you are incapable of managing your time as sensibly, or affording others the same courtesy for that matter.

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the late engagement of the clutch and the handling: specifically placing the car precisely on the road. I'm not sure whether it was because of the visibility or the sheer width of the car or the suspension.
In my humble opinion, these comments are pretty silly and speaks of someone who needs lots more driving experience. In addition, it sounds like you do not want a Camaro. I daily drive my '10 M6 SS up/down CA Highway 1 and the car is flat out amazing. It does exactly what I want it to, and corners brilliantly. It is a BIG car, but that has no real meaning for me as I have never had an issue on any of the twisty backroads - except people in smaller and/or "faster" cars holding me up. It's quite easy and comfortable to guide this car through these roads at the speed limit.

Today I drove my Classic Mini which is obviously quite a bit smaller than the Camaro. A few days ago I drove my Impreza. I've had lots of experience on these roads in many, many cars and I've zero complaints on the Camaro.

As far as test driving the car or whatever, I refused to test drive it until they removed the markup. I was finally poised to buy a new daily driver and took one last look at the new Camaros on the way to test drive my choice, a 2010 VW GTI. I bought the Camaro and never set foot on the VW car lot. I moved the Camaro about 10 feet by the time I decided I wanted it. I never want to sell it. My suggestion to you is to find a car that you feel THIS WAY about, and then buy it. Next, do some High Performance Driving Events with NASA or another group and really get to know your car and your driving abilities in a safe environment.

Personally the thought of feeling "lukewarm" after driving a new Camaro is quite alien - I don't understand it. Even going out to the car this morning to put the windshield shade in since it's sitting - I take a look around the interior and that's pretty exciting for me. I found the right car for ME. Hope you do too!!
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I'd like to see exactly what the Z28 is going to have. Until Chevy releases all the data, all we can do is guess. That being said, I'm pretty darn happy with my 2SS!
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In my humble opinion, these comments are pretty silly and speaks of someone who needs lots more driving experience. In addition, it sounds like you do not want a Camaro. I daily drive my '10 M6 SS up/down CA Highway 1 and the car is flat out amazing. It does exactly what I want it to, and corners brilliantly. It is a BIG car, but that has no real meaning for me as I have never had an issue on any of the twisty backroads - except people in smaller and/or "faster" cars holding me up. It's quite easy and comfortable to guide this car through these roads at the speed limit.

Today I drove my Classic Mini which is obviously quite a bit smaller than the Camaro. A few days ago I drove my Impreza. I've had lots of experience on these roads in many, many cars and I've zero complaints on the Camaro.

As far as test driving the car or whatever, I refused to test drive it until they removed the markup. I was finally poised to buy a new daily driver and took one last look at the new Camaros on the way to test drive my choice, a 2010 VW GTI. I bought the Camaro and never set foot on the VW car lot. I moved the Camaro about 10 feet by the time I decided I wanted it. I never want to sell it. My suggestion to you is to find a car that you feel THIS WAY about, and then buy it. Next, do some High Performance Driving Events with NASA or another group and really get to know your car and your driving abilities in a safe environment.

Personally the thought of feeling "lukewarm" after driving a new Camaro is quite alien - I don't understand it. Even going out to the car this morning to put the windshield shade in since it's sitting - I take a look around the interior and that's pretty exciting for me. I found the right car for ME. Hope you do too!!
While I can feel your passion through the computer screen, please be careful with your suggestive comments (specifically regarding the driving experience).

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In my humble opinion, these comments are pretty silly and speaks of someone who needs lots more driving experience. In addition, it sounds like you do not want a Camaro.
The every single professional reviewer needs more driving experience by your standards because my feelings mirror theirs. Here is an example (2009):


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"lively feel"
"feels lighter"
"almost like a race car around turns"

That's on the 2010, and has been the consistent universal feeling amongst professional reviewers. Here's the updated review for 2010:


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"light nimble chassis"

Here's another one:



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"feels poised and precise all the way to the limit"

None of these comments of "precise", "poised", "nimble", "feels lively" etc. are EVER given to the Camaro.

Now I'm not saying all this to put down the Camaro, but merely to rebuff your suggestions that I don't have driving experience as clearly your opinion contradicts professional reviewers with more objectivity and experience than you.

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I daily drive my '10 M6 SS up/down CA Highway 1 and the car is flat out amazing. It does exactly what I want it to, and corners brilliantly. It is a BIG car, but that has no real meaning for me as I have never had an issue on any of the twisty backroads - except people in smaller and/or "faster" cars holding me up. It's quite easy and comfortable to guide this car through these roads at the speed limit.

Today I drove my Classic Mini which is obviously quite a bit smaller than the Camaro. A few days ago I drove my Impreza. I've had lots of experience on these roads in many, many cars and I've zero complaints on the Camaro.

As far as test driving the car or whatever, I refused to test drive it until they removed the markup. I was finally poised to buy a new daily driver and took one last look at the new Camaros on the way to test drive my choice, a 2010 VW GTI. I bought the Camaro and never set foot on the VW car lot. I moved the Camaro about 10 feet by the time I decided I wanted it. I never want to sell it. My suggestion to you is to find a car that you feel THIS WAY about, and then buy it. Next, do some High Performance Driving Events with NASA or another group and really get to know your car and your driving abilities in a safe environment.

Personally the thought of feeling "lukewarm" after driving a new Camaro is quite alien - I don't understand it. Even going out to the car this morning to put the windshield shade in since it's sitting - I take a look around the interior and that's pretty exciting for me. I found the right car for ME. Hope you do too!!
Now, I must say, I DID enjoy my testdrive of the Camaro SS. I didn't have anything really to complain about except for the late engagement of the clutch. Apparently though, a late engaging clutch is desirable for racing purposes as it allows you to do quick gear changes. Personally I don't like it because I will use it more for street than on the track.

However, I simply enjoyed the precise feeling of the handling of the Mustang more. I have recently narrowed my choices down to two cars now. First choice is the 2011 Shelby GT500, and second is the 2012 Camaro SS if finances don't pan out for some reason. I've decided against the Camaro Z/28 just because the timing doesn't allow me to test drive it and then make a decision in my time frame.

I think the lack of precision is a combination of the visibility and size of the Camaro. It is something that you can get used to over time, but if you're going for a test drive or you're a professional reviewer, you're going to be comparing it with other cars. So therefore, I'm not too concerned about my feelings of the Camaro's precision. I think it's a terrific car. At the GT500 price, I would choose the GT500 over the Z/28; but at the Mustang GT price, I would choose the Camaro SS.

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At the GT500 price, I would choose the GT500 over the Z/28

There is NO Production 5th Gen Z/28!!!!!!(all though I hope there is soon) There isn't even any solid info at this point...So yes that choice would be pretty easy lol. Lets see GT500 or a car that doesn't exsist...hmmm?



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