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Old 05-27-2010, 07:32 PM   #69
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To me its not such a long shot to think of so many changes coming for the 2012 model, i mean just look at Camaro heritage, the 67' was the first Camaro, then look 2 years ahead to the 69', pretty substantial differences.

As for the interior im pretty tired of all the whining, if GM can pull off "Audi quality" without increasing the price at all then more power too them, but if they're planning to bring the price along with their new standard then i vote nay. I like the interior as it is, its fun, good quality, very comfortable, and its affordable. What he said is close to exactly what ive been arguing against through the whole 5th gen run. We need LESS frills in muscle cars, this whole "muscle/luxury" thing is really wearing thin. People want their muscle cars at affordable prices but American companies are pushing the masses of customers away by adding a rediculous amount of luxury commodities that raise the price thousands of dollars and right out of the average buyer's price range.

I was pissed when i first saw a new Camaro going for $38k (respectivly with mark up), so what's this new "audi" interior going to bring? Camaros for the price of Corvettes and Corvettes for the price of Ferraris? Come on...our Muscle cars have always been about affordable performance for the masses, not just the super rich.
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Old 05-27-2010, 07:59 PM   #70
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Alright GM has not disappointed anyone with the sheetmetal form of the car and I can say that the interior has been no disappointment either. But then this isn't just any car is it....Well of course it's not. This car inspires the imagination and makes goose bumps on a hot moon lite summer night as it proweles the shadows between the street lights. It is hard and it is fast it is simple but what details it has are worth there location.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:21 PM   #71
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IMO the form of the interior doesn't need to change. But the material representation of this car tend toward machined steel or stainless steel wrapped in leather. Now we can't have these materials obviously but we could have good representations of them. The idea would be to set what spartan detail there is off in a profound way. And bring back detail like the way the seat belt plugged into the console on the 69. utilitarian details like this are the caracter of the car.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:21 PM   #72
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Buying a car is a big commitment if you're going to spend 20 to upper 30k on a car you better like what you buy.

That's a big reason why I was holding off on buying, broke in and tried to buy one but had no credit even with half the money down. I just rented a 2011 ford Taurus SEL while I was in florida and aside from liking how it drove I liked the interior alot better than the camaro.

The camaro interior just leaves more to be desired IMO. I'm going to wait and see what it looks like and then if I don't like it I'll buy a 10 or 11 and do my own changes.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:39 PM   #73
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the steering wheel has to change thou it looks like it came out of a mercury montego
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:05 PM   #74
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i have the first order for 2011 at my dealer in south eastern Ontario. i put my money down over 2 months ago and i have an order number. i am going to cancel my 2011 order tomorrow. i REALLY dont like the current interior. i am happy to wait for a possibility better fit! i am very excited!!
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Old 05-27-2010, 10:41 PM   #75
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Thats kinda B.S.... We were the first to buy them now more upgrades/quality is gonna be incorporated into next years? Well, live and learn I guess
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:32 PM   #76
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i have the first order for 2011 at my dealer in south eastern Ontario. i put my money down over 2 months ago and i have an order number. i am going to cancel my 2011 order tomorrow. i REALLY dont like the current interior. i am happy to wait for a possibility better fit! i am very excited!!
I'd only ask this...is the possibility minor change really worth waiting a whole year more?


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Thats kinda B.S.... We were the first to buy them now more upgrades/quality is gonna be incorporated into next years? Well, live and learn I guess
2012 is 3 years from the start...Did you expect the car to get worse with time?
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:33 AM   #77
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Thats kinda B.S.... We were the first to buy them now more upgrades/quality is gonna be incorporated into next years? Well, live and learn I guess
Not really...it's the same with computers, MP3 players, etc. Continual product improvements.

If GM didn't do it, they'd be crucified for that as well.

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Old 05-28-2010, 02:00 AM   #78
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Maybe they should look less to Chevrolet for interior cues and look at what Holden did with the last few models that made it over here as Pontiacs. For the price of a 2SS there's no excuse as to why it can't have seats as nice as the last GTO.
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Old 05-28-2010, 03:20 AM   #79
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Its good that there is a desire to improve but, who cares about Audi. I don't want a european car. I want a Chevy. And Chevys don't look or feel like an Audi. Just my two cents.
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Old 05-28-2010, 03:43 AM   #80
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You know with all the turrmoil that GM had actually getting the Camaro into production, I think that we are lucky that the 2010 is as good as it is. I personally expected it to be a disaster and was pleasantly surprised when I sat in one for the first time. It's nice to see that GM is trying to improve on what was a rush rush........on hold.......rush rush design, even if we all love it now. I'll be glad to see what they do, as I'm probably buying in 2012.........hopefully a Z28.
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Old 05-28-2010, 04:45 AM   #81
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I've been really hoping they'd do something with the interior. It's the only disappointing thing about this otherwise, amazing looking car.

We own an Audi and a Mercedes and while I'm happy to hear that GM's goal is Audi-quality, it doesn't need to fully match Audi quality to satisfy someone like myself. I realize there is a signficant price-point difference and I just want something more professional and modern-looking with improved materials.


Items I hope they change:
  • Center Stack: Get rid of the gimmicky, robot-looking radio/head-unit and give us a double-din-type unit with a nice LCD screen and Nav/back-up cam capability. They can do this cheaply. They don't need a head-unit that is specifically designed for the Camaro. That doesn't make sense for reducing costs. Go with a standard double-din unit. Should save cost, look better and give people the options they want.
  • Climate control: Get rid of the playstation controls (that looked cool on the concept but didn't translate well in plastic) and give option for automatic/electronic climate control. What car these days doesn't have that option?
  • Tacky-looking loop door handles. Most cars have a nice, small, L-Shaped handle. No need for a big, chrome loop. Or go push-button like the 'Vette.
  • Guages: Shape of speedo/tach is nice and unique. But look of the gauges should be more professional and modern looking with better quality trim.
  • Air-conditioning outlets: The center one looks very unfinished, the way it sits behind the dash plastic.
  • Steering Wheel - Not a major priority for me but prefer something better looking
Address most of these areas and I'll be purchasing in 2012...
On everything except the stearing wheel, I'm one of the off beat ones I guess when it comes to the stearing wheel, I really like it. I sure do hope they put in Automatic climate control that would help them out and better materials. I wish they offered a LCD NAV Screen But I'm thinking the reason they dont is becuase of all the money and marketing theve poored into OnStar, If they start putting in good quality NAV's at a good price point there OnStar will lose ALOT of buisness.
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Old 05-28-2010, 05:13 AM   #82
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Thats kinda B.S.... We were the first to buy them now more upgrades/quality is gonna be incorporated into next years? Well, live and learn I guess
Not trying to You, Just want to point something out. GM came out with a great car. But that dosent mean they shouldent always keep improveing it and they will. They have to, You know there Competitors will. This car has been out for a year now, abouts, and we just got ours, and there isnt a day that when I or her take it out we come home with a story about what someone said or there they gave us. In 5 years from now that might not be quite as comin, thats what early adoption gets you, or you can wait and have something a littel better I hope anyway, but the next year will be something even better and so on. Or lets hope because that would truely mean GM has turned a great corner. As for US, Yes we would like something a littel nicer in the interior segment but thats what aftermarkets are for and we LOVE Our Car right now the way it is and We dont plan on tradeing up. Though maybe getting a second one someday is something nice to dream about
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Old 05-28-2010, 07:44 AM   #83
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Thats kinda B.S.... We were the first to buy them now more upgrades/quality is gonna be incorporated into next years? Well, live and learn I guess

Don't forget, your Camaro was designed, engineered, and assembled under turmoil in cash-straped old GM (they did a magnificent job considering the circumstances, but now they can do better). New GM really is a different company. Whitacre is laying the hammer down on decision makers to make better decisions, and the money is available for them to do things they weren't able to do before.

As one of the quality control people checking final pre-production on a Chevy Cruze who rejected one because there was a <1 millimeter gap in the instrument pannel assembly said: "We're not building Cobalts anymore"
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Old 05-28-2010, 07:53 AM   #84
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[QUOTE=Dragoneye;1914048]I'd only ask this...is the possibility minor change really worth waiting a whole year more?

well....i see what youre saying. but, it gives me more time to pay off student loan and save more downpayment. so....while i TOTALLY dont want to wait a year.....i dont completely mind waiting. i find that i am some what a pleasure delayer anyway.

i hope that the interior is not so much audi as much MODERN.

i hope you all have a great weekend!
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:21 AM   #85
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Thats kinda B.S.... We were the first to buy them now more upgrades/quality is gonna be incorporated into next years? Well, live and learn I guess
That's kind of a lesson for not buying first model years with me. The car always gets better as bugs are worked out and they freshen the car through the years. Just the way it's always been. The first gen only went 2 years before a body style change etc. It's all good, it will always be a sweet car.
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