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Old 01-20-2009, 12:23 PM   #26
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Yes its the Shelby Cobra but it no longer sports the Cobra name on it like in the 90's and early 2000's. It now just sports the Shelby name on it with a few Cobra emblems. It was suppost to be the next variation of a Cobra but the SVT group got push into the mix with everyone else at Ford. They are no longer a specialty group amongst themselves. They kept the car and with the reassociation with Shelby it got his name on it instead of SVT.
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:31 PM   #27
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Okay, so here's the article:

I would just like to point out that this is a truck article with ONE sentence about a Mustang. The entire thing is speculation, it doesn't say anything about the 6.2 going into the mustang at all. Soooo let's just wait for Ford to say something instead of getting all excited over nothing, k?


"PickupTrucks.com is reporting that by the end of 2010, Ford will alter the three engine options that currently make up the engine choices in the F-150. What is coming in time for the 2011 model year will be a new 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 and a 5.0-liter V8 code-named "Coyote."

Subbing the V6 EcoBoost for the V8 is about providing the same power with more efficiency. Said to be the premium engine for light-duty trucks, the direct-injection gas engine will offer something like 400 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque while carrying an EPA rating of "at least 23 miles-per-gallon on the highway." Those power numbers handily beat what you'll get from any of the current engines on offer, even though it's down two cylinders.

The "Coyote" 5.0-liter, modular, four-valve V8 will have "huge heads," and will return the same numbers as the V6: 400 hp and 400 lb-ft. This engine will become the standard F-150 lump, returning the same gas mileage as the current 5.4-liter but with much more power. This same engine will also reportedly find its way into the Mustang. That will leave the 6.2-liter V8 (the Boss) slated for the Raptor later this year as last engine choice (unless there's a 4-cylinder EcoBoost added in 2013), and it will go into special edition F-150s and the Super Duty trucks."

I bolded the one sentence about the Mustang.
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:56 PM   #28
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So yall are spooked...
why would chevy be spooked?

Ford wont build a mustang with more power/quality for less $$ . The GT500 is evidence of that.
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:09 PM   #29
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:11 PM   #30
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Yes its the Shelby Cobra but it no longer sports the Cobra name on it like in the 90's and early 2000's. It now just sports the Shelby name on it with a few Cobra emblems. It was suppost to be the next variation of a Cobra but the SVT group got push into the mix with everyone else at Ford. They are no longer a specialty group amongst themselves. They kept the car and with the reassociation with Shelby it got his name on it instead of SVT.
SVT's name is still on the car.
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:13 PM   #31
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Ford Responds...

Wonder if it will make its way up to 427 hp....

It appears that the 'shot over the bow' with the Camaro is drawing a response...let the HP wars continue!


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Old 01-20-2009, 02:32 PM   #32
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well thank God Ford is finally going to have some competition
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:55 PM   #33
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:57 PM   #34
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:07 PM   #35
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well IMO if ford puts a better engine in the mustang then GM will put a better engine in it and repeat
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:09 PM   #36
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This will be interesting. Like I said in that last epic thread about the mythical 5.0/400HP Mustang... I just don't see it happening. I don't claim to know the costs of these engines, and I'm sure the economies of scale will definitely be in play being that the motor will be shared by the #1 selling vehicle in the world (F-150), but I can't for the life of me see how Ford can put the Coyote in the Mustang withot raising the price to be at least EQUAL to the Camaro's. And that just goes against their business model for that car... as far as the Mustang is concerned Ford's always made 'em cheap and left it to their buyers to make 'em fast. Maybe Ford is spooked enough to finally drop the knife and bring a gun to the gunfight but, man, I just don't see it... not for a few years at least.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:10 PM   #37
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Hmmm... this seems to be a bit more credible

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2011-for...re-50l-v8.html

Aww well... faster Mustangs just means more mods for my Camaro... yipee!!!
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:14 PM   #38
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By announcing so early a new engine that is more powerful, it will hurt the sales of this years GT.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:17 PM   #39
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well IMO if ford puts a better engine in the mustang then GM will put a better engine in it and repeat
The article is for the 2011 Mustang. We already know what will be in the 2010.
I don't know about GM putting a "better" engine but maybe adding more horsepower to the LS3.
Either way I doubt GM will let the Camaro go down without a fight.

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By announcing so early a new engine that is more powerful, it will hurt the sales of this years GT.
I doubt it. The Mustang is a big seller no matter what.
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Yes its the Shelby Cobra but it no longer sports the Cobra name on it like in the 90's and early 2000's. It now just sports the Shelby name on it with a few Cobra emblems. It was suppost to be the next variation of a Cobra but the SVT group got push into the mix with everyone else at Ford. They are no longer a specialty group amongst themselves. They kept the car and with the reassociation with Shelby it got his name on it instead of SVT.
The only reason the non-Shelby Cobra's exist is because Shelby sold the name to Ford for $1 when they took over his operation. Shelby's became Cobra's and now they are Shelby's again because the name sells. When Shelby decides he doesn't want Ford using his name again or his old age sadly gets the best of him then they will become non-Shelby Cobra's again.
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I doubt it. The Mustang is a big seller no matter what.
Yea 75% of them are of the v6 variety anyway.
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The article is for the 2011 Mustang. We already know what will be in the 2010.
I don't know about GM putting a "better" engine but maybe adding more horsepower to the LS3.
Either way I doubt GM will let the Camaro go down without a fight.



I doubt it. The Mustang is a big seller no matter what.
Z28 anyone.



This might be just what we need, thanks Ford for potentially waking the Z28 from its slumber.
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how could a v6 make 400 hp there is no way it could make 400 hp and absoultly no way it will have 400 pounds of torque
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how could a v6 make 400 hp there is no way it could make 400 hp and absoultly no way it will have 400 pounds of torque
The GTR has a V6 that makes 480+hp. its not impossible.
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These engines would be going into the newest body style Mustangs, correct? This isn't about some 2015 MY or anything...
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These engines would be going into the newest body style Mustangs, correct? This isn't about some 2015 MY or anything...
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Old 01-20-2009, 05:42 PM   #47
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So yall are spooked...

Not at all. Ford will never win a hp war with gm, mainly because of the reason that there are 3 more motors that are not going ( or haven't ) been put in the camaro, which are alot more powerful then the regular LS3 or L99.

( LS7, LSA, LS9 ).

505, 556, 638.

But hey, the camaro deserves a little competition!

oh yeah almost forgot, the cts-v is priced in the low 60's and is a cadillac. that tell you anything about how much a camaro that would match the gt500's (45-$60,000) performance would cost?
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Old 01-20-2009, 05:47 PM   #48
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The GTR has a V6 that makes 480+hp. its not impossible.
the GTR'S motor is hand built and comes wrapped up in an $80,000 package.

anyways, here is what i think about ford putting a 400 hp/400 tq V6 in the mustang:


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Not me. I'm glad that Ford's finally taking a hint.

But I also think this whole arrangment will turn out different from what's expected. That article was about the F-150, and they mentioned the Mustang in passing. It might happen, just not the way some are expecting.
Historically, Ford has always shared the 4.6 between the F150 and the Mustang, so I'd have to assume that if one has something the other will too. It cuts down on production costs big time to have one v8 to produce instead of both the 5.0 Coyote and the 4.6.

I'm looking forward to this interesting development. It looks like Ford doesn't want to give the top spot to the Camaro after all.

As I've said many times, competition benefits all of us no matter what your brand preference is.

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It's winning it right now with the 2010 GT500. GM needs to step up and give us a Z28. At some point. Right now I don't think it's a feasible option given their delicate financial status.
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It's winning it right now with the 2010 GT500. GM needs to step up and give us a Z28. At some point. Right now I don't think it's a feasible option given their delicate financial status.
True. But then you have to remember that gt500 sales aren't that great. That's why GM wouldn't want to waste money they don't have on a high performance pony car, that most likely wouldn't make them a whole lot of $.

You see, comparing a car that starts at 43 grand with one that starts at around 31 makes no sense to me.

GM doesn't have the money right now. That doesn't mean they aren't capable.

its kind of like kick boxing against a guy with a peg leg that's missing his arm and is in a wheelchair.
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