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Old 01-20-2009, 08:40 PM   #51
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I think you guys are forgeting that the aftermarket is going to jump all over the Ecoboost in a similar fashion like the Supra!! Don't be surprised when 600hp TT Mustangs start showing up on the street and the track. It is extremely easy to get waaaaaaay more Hp and Tq by simply turning up the boost.
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Old 01-20-2009, 08:56 PM   #52
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I still don't understand why you guys are demanding a Z28. I never said anything about a Z28. What I said was that GM can still add more horsepower to the current LS3, in order to compete with the 2011 Mustang. It would be a smarter idea seeing the economic status they are in.
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Old 01-20-2009, 09:33 PM   #53
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Z28 anyone.



This might be just what we need, thanks Ford for potentially waking the Z28 from its slumber.
Oh nooo...not another Z28 thread
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:17 PM   #54
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I still don't understand why you guys are demanding a Z28. I never said anything about a Z28. What I said was that GM can still add more horsepower to the current LS3, in order to compete with the 2011 Mustang. It would be a smarter idea seeing the economic status they are in.
good point.


Or they could put it on a diet.
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:21 PM   #55
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Or they could put it on a diet.
They could but you have to think. The things they would remove in order to take off weight would be things that pertain to safety regulations.
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:34 PM   #56
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so would the 5.0 beat a stock SS
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:37 PM   #57
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so would the 5.0 beat a stock SS
no. but id be close.



drivers race.
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:52 PM   #58
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:52 PM   #59
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no. but id be close.



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Very close power/weight ratios, assuming the 2011 Mustang with this exact engine gets a 6-speed, and weight stays similar.

Of course...the Camaro will still have that IRS advantage.....
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:59 PM   #60
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Very close power/weight ratios, assuming the 2011 Mustang with this exact engine gets a 6-speed, and weight stays similar.

Of course...the Camaro will still have that IRS advantage.....
yep. and by the time Ford tries to follow GM and give it the IRS, the Camaro will likely have a weight advantage on the mustang.
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:07 PM   #61
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uh oh
ford announces its dual clutch for 2010

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/21/f...-201/#comments
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:09 PM   #62
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uh oh
ford announces its dual clutch for 2010

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/21/f...-201/#comments
Well it looks like Ford is getting their stuff together with the technologies they are going to be putting out in the next few years. Good for them!
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:13 PM   #63
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uh oh
ford announces its dual clutch for 2010

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/21/f...-201/#comments

I TOLD YOU!!!!!



I POSTED ABOUT THIS LIKE A YEAR AGO HAHA



This is big news though... not gonna lie. This is not good for the Camaro/Challenger.


Can you imagine the first model year glitches on that gear box?
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:39 PM   #64
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Issue I see? GM JUST came out with their 6-speed autos not 4-5 years ago. And they're fantastic! But this is better...If they want to go full-scale dual-clutch, then they're going to want to make them in-house to replace their autos, which means refitting the transmission plants...which they can't do right now thanks to some $$ issues...

ugh. I'd love to be surprised by GM on this one. LOVE to be.
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:52 PM   #65
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stranger things have happened with GM ^^^
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:03 AM   #66
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Maybe this will encourage GM to get working on that Generation V V8 w/ DI...
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The dual clutch unit is slated mostly for their economy models. There is no guarantee that it will be able to handle the power or torque of a V-8 or turbo 6 engine. Hopefully they have kept that in mind as an ecoboost Mustang with a dual-clutch is interesting. The lack of an IRS is still a concern.

I’d like to see Ford bring over the Euro Focus or whatever that new model (can remember the name, the concept was a candy red color) that is replacing it with 350-400hp and AWD. I bet they offer that with the 2010 Fusion SVO/SHO which will handle well as it’s basically a Mazda 6 platform.
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Old 01-21-2009, 01:59 PM   #68
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And again...I will believe any of this when I see it. LLN especially is not any sort of reliable source of information.
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Old 01-21-2009, 02:23 PM   #69
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intersting. the camaro will finaly be pushed. the eco-boost alone will be giving the ss a run for the money if they get the weight correct.
twin clutch tho will be something. the evoX has a twin clutch system and its simply flawless and shifts super fast. it will be intersting to see how ford will merry it up with their motors
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A 400-hp 5.0 hooked up to a dual-clutch? Oh, hell yeah!
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Old 01-21-2009, 02:33 PM   #71
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And again...I will believe any of this when I see it. LLN especially is not any sort of reliable source of information.
Well if you would like to see it, here it is. The first shots of Fords new 5.0L being tested, and in a Mustang none the less...



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And again...I will believe any of this when I see it. LLN especially is not any sort of reliable source of information.
About the 5.0 or the dual-clutch? The dual-clutch has been confirmed by a press release.
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:16 PM   #73
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Well if you would like to see it, here it is. The first shots of Fords new 5.0L being tested, and in a Mustang none the less...
So there is no way someone randomly stuck a 5.0L into a Mustang and took photos.

Hmm.

As for above poster, I can believe they are developing a dual-clutch, but I'll believe the successful application in an affordable car when I see it.
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Ford looks like they are moving in the right direction...


however, somehow i doubt ford is going keep the weight/price down on this one. Adv. Camaro.
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Hmm. 400 hp and 23 mpg. The Camaro will already do that, without DI or OHC. We should be concerned because the weight of the Mustang won't go up too much so they will esentially equal our power to weight. So then it comes down to powerband, gearing, and driver.

However, the GM could let the LS3 breath a bit better to boost its output if they so choose. And of course, there is the the upcoming Gen V engines but they aren't due for a few years and GM doesn't have the cash to push the program ahead faster.

2010-2011 should shape up to be a very close match between the Mustang and Camaro.
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