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Old 11-05-2008, 02:18 PM   #52
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Maybe the challenger will get better (if and) when GM buys out DC.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:38 PM   #53
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No kidding!?! Wow.

Even if you put it at 6.0 and 14.3 for "drivers error", that's still in line with the V6 Camaro...interesting. And sad for Dodge guys....
Motortrend go the following from the R/T ..

2009 DODGE CHALLENGER R/T
Base price $29,995
Price as tested $39,055
Vehicle layout Front-engine, RWD, 5-pass, 2-door, coupe
Engine 5.7L/376-hp/410-lb-ft OHV 16-valve V-8
Transmission 6-speed manual
Curb weight (f/r dist) 4154 lb (53/47%)
Wheelbase 116.0 in
Length x width x height 197.7 x 75.7 x 57.1 in
0-60 mph 5.1 sec
Quarter mile 13.6 sec @ 104.9 mph

Braking, 60-0 mph 135 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.82 g (avg)
MT figure eight 27.5 sec @ 0.63 g (avg)
EPA city/hwy fuel econ 16 / 25 mpg
CO2 emissions 1.02 lb/mile

For the SRT8 ..

2009 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT8
Base price $41,695
Price as tested $43,730 (manual), $42,840 (auto)
Vehicle layout Front-engine, RWD, 5-pass, 2-door, coupe
Engine 6.1L/425-hp/420-lb-ft OHV 16-valve V-8
Transmission 6-speed manual, 5-speed auto
Curb weight 4146 lb (man), 4137 lb (auto)
Weight dist, f/r 55/45%
Wheelbase 116.0 in
Length x width x height 197.7 x 75.7 x 57.1 in
0-60 mph 4.6 sec (man), 4.7 sec (auto)
Quarter mile 13.1 sec @ 108.4 mph (man), 13.1 sec @ 108.3 mph (auto),

Braking, 60-0 mph 121 ft (man)/117 ft (auto)
Lateral acceleration 0.87 g (avg, man), 0.87 g (avg, auto)
MT figure eight 26.7 sec @ 0.67 g (avg, man), 26.4 sec @ 0.69 g (avg, auto)
EPA city/hwy fuel econ 14/22 mpg (man), 13/19 mpg (auto)
CO2 emissions 1.16-1.28 lb/mile
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:20 PM   #54
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This is something I think everybody will get a kick out of, especially future V6 Camaro owners. I just read in the current ( December 2008 ) issue of Road & Track on page 122. Believe it or not, they tested the Dodge Challenger R/T, ( NOT the SRT8, but the R/T )and got a 0-60 time of 6.2 seconds, and a quarter mile time of 14.5 seconds at 99 mph. If the Direct 6 Camaro is as advertised, there are going to be some turly surprised and very upset / embarrassed Challenger R/T owners!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That pretty funny, but Road and Track, Car and Driver, and Edmund's can't test a car properly to save their lives. They honestly can't drive. I go with M/T for times.
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:12 AM   #55
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The MT numbers are usually spot on. But heres a few things to get your smile back on.
7.3 - The 0-60 time of the base Challenger. Hahaha.
15.6 - The 1/4 time of the base Challenger. Hahaha.

13G's - The difference in base prices for the SS and the SRT8. And the SS is just as fast
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:14 AM   #56
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The MT numbers are usually spot on. But heres a few things to get your smile back on.
7.3 - The 0-60 time of the base Challenger. Hahaha.
15.6 - The 1/4 time of the base Challenger. Hahaha.

13G's - The difference in base prices for the SS and the SRT8. And the SS is faster
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:20 AM   #57
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Hahaha. But really... i dont think so. 4.6 is the SS's time. And thats what MT gave it.

And also in the stats you see the challenger's manual is faster. That is the first sign of a crappy automatic.
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:12 AM   #58
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Hahaha. But really... i dont think so. 4.6 is the SS's time. And thats what MT gave it.

And also in the stats you see the manual is faster. That is the first sign of a crappy automatic.
4.6 is the manufacturer's estimated time. It will be faster. Just like the V6 camaro (which, incidentally, low 14s for the 1/4 should be closer to 5.5 0-60, right?).
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:46 AM   #59
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Hahaha. But really... i dont think so. 4.6 is the SS's time. And thats what MT gave it.

And also in the stats you see the manual is faster. That is the first sign of a crappy automatic.
if autos are supposed to be slower how does that mean its a crappy auto?
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:30 AM   #60
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4.6 is the manufacturer's estimated time. It will be faster. Just like the V6 camaro (which, incidentally, low 14s for the 1/4 should be closer to 5.5 0-60, right?).
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I think you give them too much credit. they said the v6 would get 27 on the highway. But now they resign and say it 26. Id say 4.6 is where we will be. And im FINE with that. 4.6 is bustin butts.
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:32 AM   #61
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if autos are supposed to be slower how does that mean its a crappy auto?
Not anymore. look at porsche and mercedes. Almost all of their automatics are faster and more fuel efficient. Because they are well developed, with computer controlled shifts and what not. I think youd agree that a computer does a better job than your foot and hand...
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Old 11-06-2008, 09:47 AM   #62
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The 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T with its 375-hp 5.7-liter V8 and six-speed manual transmission accelerated to 60 mph in 5.9 seconds (5.5 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip), then reached the quarter-mile in 14.1 seconds
Lets not kid our selfs, the R/T will smoke the the LT

seriously 400 ft of torque
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^ He's right. The R/T Challenger is pretty much on par with the Mustang GT, which will both smoke a Camaro V6.

Even IF the Camaro does 0-60 in mid 5's which I think is wishful thinking personally due to its weight and torque... 5.7-5.9 is probably the most accurate estimation that we can say for now. It's .1 quicker than the 5.8 time of the CTS 3.6L V6 and .1 slower. But seeing the Camaro V6 weighs around 120-200lbs lighter it should be capable of 5.7....

Needless to say it won't be beating the Challenger R/T or Mustang GT stock...
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^ He's right. The R/T Challenger is pretty much on par with the Mustang GT, which will both smoke a Camaro V6.

Even IF the Camaro does 0-60 in mid 5's which I think is wishful thinking personally due to its weight and torque... 5.7-5.9 is probably the most accurate estimation that we can say for now. It's .1 quicker than the 5.8 time of the CTS 3.6L V6 and .1 slower. But seeing the Camaro V6 weighs around 120-200lbs lighter it should be capable of 5.7....

Needless to say it won't be beating the Challenger R/T or Mustang GT stock...
Apparently the people at Road & Track have a broken stopwatch.
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Yeah, but even if it doesn't beat them stock, one can do a lot of work with the 4500 dollars saved over the mustang GT and the 7500 saved over the challenger R/T.
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Arg... You guys make my head hurt.

I think I should probably clear up a few things about direct injection and my love (3.6DI).

Firstly, one of the issues is NOT fuel pressure overcoming cylinder pressure. Somone quoted 2000PSI for cylinder pressure. Yeah thats at peak cylinder ignition, you aren't injecting anything into the motor during an ignition event silly :] In addition to that direct injection is actually spraying at well over 1000 PSI, just an FYI.

To all of these "two words" guys that are using one reason the car is making power with 4.5 PSI.

It is a combination of the high compression ratio, direct injection as it cools the cylinder and intake charge, but more so the very good flowing heads.

One thing I wanted to add, you can knock with direct injection too, the ONLY reason why there is a lower propensity for knock is due to simple physics. Blast compressed air onto your hand, as the air moves from high pressure to low it absorbs heat during expansion, so it feels cool to your hand even though it was much hotter compressed. Same with the fuel, the dispersion and expansion of the atomizing fuel going from well over 1000 psi to a 200 psi cylinder ( not 2000, remeber the fuel hasn't ignited yet ) allows it to cool the air charge by a good margin.

I only hope GM moves to E85 with Direct Injection as well, the results would be remarkable, although I would imagine there would be an extra bit of sooting over the DI due to the cooling effect the alcohol would have over even the gasoline which already soots in a DI setup.

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