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Old 07-28-2010, 10:51 PM   #85
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I am installing the GEN 2 version of Protorque's converter in a few weeks..
We will have the tuning figured out for this unit, Joe has done alot of work on his newest GEN 2 verter...

Joe was very happy to have us be one of his testers and I will get data for u soon...
We run his stuff exclusively because its the best.
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Old 07-28-2010, 11:07 PM   #86
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I am installing the GEN 2 version of Protorque's converter in a few weeks..
We will have the tuning figured out for this unit, Joe has done alot of work on his newest GEN 2 verter...

Joe was very happy to have us be one of his testers and I will get data for u soon...
We run his stuff exclusively because its the best.
Awesome, can't wait. What tuning software do you use?
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Old 07-29-2010, 12:16 PM   #87
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Old 08-19-2010, 08:45 PM   #88
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I am installing the GEN 2 version of Protorque's converter in a few weeks..
We will have the tuning figured out for this unit, Joe has done allot of work on his newest GEN 2 verter...

Joe was very happy to have us be one of his testers and I will get data for u soon...
We run his stuff exclusively because its the best.
Any updates? Currently working on a fix for the 17.8 psi pre-apply that will inevitably destroy the verter.
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Old 08-19-2010, 08:55 PM   #89
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Oh yeah. Sorry. I totaly forgot about this thread. I guess my Pro Torque converter is a Gen 2 as well. I've had in in for almost two months. First thing I can tell you is that you don't notice it at all driving. I let my dad drive the car and he asked if the stall was in. Secondly, Ted did not need to do anything to the tune. They bolted the converter in and I was on my way. I've had no issues since the install and about 1500 miles. I just took it on a trip down to DC from CT and in the 100 degree heat it was flawless. Stop and go on the Jersey Turnpike was not a problem. Which brings me to my next point. I have no trans cooler and my temps remain the same as stock. They did not increase at all.

At the track, I only got three passes, the 60' went from a 1.60 with the stock stall to a 1.48. This is on slicks. No doubt this thing will be in the very low 1.4's when the DA turns negative in the fall. It feels like it pulls the wheels. At least thats what it feels like. All in all The Pro Torque converter has been much more than I expected. I'm glad I trust Ted to put in the good stuff.
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Old 08-19-2010, 11:35 PM   #90
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Oh yeah. Sorry. I totally forgot about this thread. I guess my Pro Torque converter is a Gen 2 as well. I've had in in for almost two months. First thing I can tell you is that you don't notice it at all driving. I let my dad drive the car and he asked if the stall was in. Secondly, Ted did not need to do anything to the tune. They bolted the converter in and I was on my way. I've had no issues since the install and about 1500 miles. I just took it on a trip down to DC from CT and in the 100 degree heat it was flawless. Stop and go on the Jersey Turnpike was not a problem. Which brings me to my next point. I have no trans cooler and my temps remain the same as stock. They did not increase at all.

At the track, I only got three passes, the 60' went from a 1.60 with the stock stall to a 1.48. This is on slicks. No doubt this thing will be in the very low 1.4's when the DA turns negative in the fall. It feels like it pulls the wheels. At least thats what it feels like. All in all The Pro Torque converter has been much more than I expected. I'm glad I trust Ted to put in the good stuff.
Thanks for the update. I think Protorque uses a single disk clutch that hides the stepped apply pressure very well.That seems to be the case with everyones single disk converter. When you go to a multi disk system it seems to rear its ugly head. Having said that, you as well as every 6L80E owner are getting the pre-apply pressure of 17ish psi. This is very bad on the converter and wear can be seen on units with as little as 10K on them.

Does the Protorque guarantee a WOT lockup?
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Old 08-19-2010, 11:41 PM   #91
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Also, being supercharged puts/keeps the TCM in the high load tables. By that I mean your tranny is always seeing an enormous amount of power compared to stock and more than likely out of desired slip tables. I would be very interested to see a cruise/lockup log.
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Wacker, you last two posts are over my head but if it can be done using the SCT, would you like me to log some stuff for you? It would only be some around town driving and short highway runs. And it may take a week or to to get any info since I don't really use the car. Let me know.
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:35 PM   #93
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Joe has figured out the issues, I talked to him in lenght about what u are experiencing and neither me or superscharged with see this problemm

Joes fin and stator design makes for a stock like stall with good flash characteristics out of a 12" stock verter....
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Old 08-21-2010, 12:37 AM   #94
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Joe has figured out the issues, I talked to him in lenght about what u are experiencing and neither me or superscharged with see this problem

Joes fin and stator design makes for a stock like stall with good flash characteristics out of a 12" stock verter....
I know Joe makes good stuff. The reason your do not feel the pre-apply pressure is because of the single disk clutch. Joe has basically taken the stock converter, worked his magic, and re-sealed it back up. The Protorque retains the stock damper and single clutch element. Trust me, you are getting a pre-apply pressure, every 6L80E does. I know because I've ran a vet, truck, G8, and caddy OS in my Camaro. They all do it. What you will not get with a single disk converter is the ability to have WOT lockup with a good amount of power beyond stock or you'll have a very short converter life. Also, the 12" (300mm) converter is huge compared to a 248 or 258. What this translates to is more rotating mass regardless of stator used. I'd be curious to see a multi disk Protorque and how it reacts in this tranny. I think Yank was building one. Circle D is sending me another verter with less clutches possibly in the 278mm realm. The trick is to retain the high HP WOT lockup while eliminating the converter drag caused by the 17ish pre-apply pressure.
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Old 08-21-2010, 12:39 AM   #95
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Wacker, you last two posts are over my head but if it can be done using the SCT, would you like me to log some stuff for you? It would only be some around town driving and short highway runs. And it may take a week or to to get any info since I don't really use the car. Let me know.
What is an SCT? If your capable of selecting PID's, select TCC Solenoid pressure.
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:50 AM   #96
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What is an SCT?
SCT is a handheld flash tuner.

Question: are you running Circle Ds dual disk convertor... I've been in contact with them and trying to figure out which one to go with...
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SCT is a handheld flash tuner.

Question: are you running Circle Ds dual disk convertor... I've been in contact with them and trying to figure out which one to go with...
Like I mentioned earlier, the 258 multi disk I run drags a little until line pressure is allowed to ramp in above the 17.8psi. It does stall quick do to its size. The same converter with a single disk does not drag, however its WOT holding capacity is far less. I'm going to test another version in the coming weeks. If your planning on WOT lockup you might want to hold off a bit until I get some data, or you could probably test one too. The Circle D converter is freekin sweet compared to stock. You really see the quality in the billet cover. I gained a solid 2 tenths at a 3k DA. Should see around 3-4 when the colder temps arrive

I doubt he'd be able to log TCC apply pressure then.
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Old 08-22-2010, 02:05 PM   #98
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U are totally correct, the stock size verter joe is building is for this reason
Not dissagreeing with u at all.

I am sure someone will figure out the multi disc stuff but I have tested MANY verters over the yrs in 4L60's and locking them up was worth only mph....This was of course on NA setups ranging from 11.90 to 10.80...

My 10.60 383 LT1 nitrous car did pick up .1 locking up at the top of 2nd....

Supercharged is propably running a version of my 12" too
Just goes to show u that a 9.5" isnt always needed...


I am going to base line my car next week (NA)
Then do the verter and go the following week (NA)
I will keep records of DA to compare, sit tight
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