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Old 03-08-2012, 10:51 AM   #2676
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WGAS what the exhaust is doing when the cutout is closed? seriously?

Quit trying to argue with me. I know you like setting the standard on what "Not to do" with your car, but for something this simple...


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Well you gotta remember, I don't want my car to lose power with the exhaust cut-outs closed. If I'm not the street and need to get on it and the exhaust cut outs are closed I need it to flow good too.

But I"m not arguing.

I never said I wasn't going to try it. If they can do it then I'll do it. hahaha

The only reason I brought that point up was because you said the Noweeds system was "better" or more "well designed"
depending on how you look at it, Dougs are the best because it pulls the entire blade out of the exhaust path to cause less restriction.

as for your flow, you won't lose enough power to notice when the cutouts are closed. Trust me.

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Old 03-08-2012, 11:11 AM   #2678
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The only reason I brought that point up was because you said the Noweeds system was "better" or more "well designed"
depending on how you look at it, Dougs are the best because it pulls the entire blade out of the exhaust path to cause less restriction.

as for your flow, you won't lose enough power to notice when the cutouts are closed. Trust me.
Ya, I ordered the Dougs because of that. And because I believe it offers less chance of leaking.

But by 'Better' I see the all around package. More noise due to the only escape being out the dumps, low profile let's it sit up higher than my header pipes so it won't scrape, simple install, better looking, Completely removable back to stock. Or back to stock borla anyway. It just replaces the S pipes. Simple.

If I had a noweeds system sitting here along with what I have I could have the noweeds in three times as fast.

BUT, I'm going to the muffler shop later to have them look at it.

At the end of the day, either way I go it's just cut-outs. The true difference between either one will be miniscule. And never even noticed. BUT, the car will be obnoxious loud.
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Old 03-08-2012, 11:14 AM   #2679
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Ya, I ordered the Dougs because of that. And because I believe it offers less chance of leaking.

But by 'Better' I see the all around package. More noise due to the only escape being out the dumps, low profile let's it sit up higher than my header pipes so it won't scrape, simple install, better looking, Completely removable back to stock. Or back to stock borla anyway. It just replaces the S pipes. Simple.

If I had a noweeds system sitting here along with what I have I could have the noweeds in three times as fast.

BUT, I'm going to the muffler shop later to have them look at it.

At the end of the day, either way I go it's just cut-outs. The true difference between either one will be miniscule. And never even noticed. BUT, the car will be obnoxious loud.

Like I said before... just run what you already have.

or pull the whole catback system off for the car show...lol
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Like I said before... just run what you already have.

or pull the whole catback system off for the car show...lol
Well, if he doesn't have room then I'll just wait. If he has room then I'll have him do it. But I will not let him move it further back in the system and I will not let them start hacking up my pipes. Unless it's right there at the headers behind the o2 sensor.
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Well, if he doesn't have room then I'll just wait. If he has room then I'll have him do it. But I will not let him move it further back in the system and I will not let them start hacking up my pipes. Unless it's right there at the headers behind the o2 sensor.

lol... quit trying to justify getting the Noweeds...lmao

would you consider what a pro installation shop would do as "hacking up your pipes"?




there's a difference between just chopping the pipes up and selectively removing pieces to ensure a proper fit.
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Yeah, I don't quite get his desire to not weld anything or cut the exhaust. It's not like you can't get a piece of pipe to replace that section later. Also, most cutouts make them so that it's easy to put a plate in them if there is a problem so that you can send them off for repair.

I prefer to have them welded in.
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lol... quit trying to justify getting the Noweeds...lmao

would you consider what a pro installation shop would do as "hacking up your pipes"?




there's a difference between just chopping the pipes up and selectively removing pieces to ensure a proper fit.
The difference is that I have not yet been able to find a shop here in this area worth a shit.

Example, ..... I pull up to a shop to ask if they can tune an LS engine and they open the hood, see the engine and take out their cell phones to take pics.

The confused looks on most peoples faces when I ask them questions is crazy. I had to show a shop how to use THEIR OWN SMOKE MACHINE. They came to me to tell me I better come see this and they told me it's leaking badly I went out only to see smoke coming out of.............

wait for it........

THE AIR FILTER.

I had to show them how to block of the throttle body to run the test.

Dude, I have ZERO faith in shops here. That's just one example btw.

So if they show me that they have a good plan and are confident that they could do it then that's one thing. But if I have to have the idea and they tell me "Well, aight. Let's gitr' dun' then I'm out.

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Yeah, I don't quite get his desire to not weld anything or cut the exhaust. It's not like you can't get a piece of pipe to replace that section later. Also, most cutouts make them so that it's easy to put a plate in them if there is a problem so that you can send them off for repair.

I prefer to have them welded in.
Spoken by a person with an IPS next door.

But it's the cost also. They told me 80.00 to do a simple weld on both sides. If I have them removing X Pipes and cutting sections and moving things and rewelding this here and that there it's going to cost much more.

My reluctance to weld is from trusting someone to do it right, the cost of the work, and the ability to just be able to take my exhaust off and box it up and ship it if I decide to get a 3" system or whatever later.

But mostly trusting someone to not screw my shit up.

You could never understand how hard it is to find someone down here to do good work. And not be ass holes when you try and show them what you want. I am so fed up with shops it isn't funny.

I have counted up the cost of opening my own shop. Don't have the money but more importantly I don't have the knowledge and I'm not a mechanic. And I'd have to find one. Shops suck here.
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But; isn't about time you update that SIG PIC? Your sig says BEWARE OF "$HIT FOR WHEELS" company, but you promote the look with them in it!
Well, first off while I do have a buyer, I still have to ultimately sell them.

And second, I have Forgelines being made. I have no good pics of my car without these. And I've said all along that these wheels are the best looking wheels I've seen Still are. The quality is just way over rated.
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The difference is that I have not yet been able to find a shop here in this area worth a shit.

Example, ..... I pull up to a shop to ask if they can tune an LS engine and they open the hood, see the engine and take out their cell phones to take pics.

The confused looks on most peoples faces when I ask them questions is crazy. I had to show a shop how to use THEIR OWN SMOKE MACHINE. They came to me to tell me I better come see this and they told me it's leaking badly I went out only to see smoke coming out of.............

wait for it........

THE AIR FILTER.

I had to show them how to block of the throttle body to run the test.

Dude, I have ZERO faith in shops here. That's just one example btw.

So if they show me that they have a good plan and are confident that they could do it then that's one thing. But if I have to have the idea and they tell me "Well, aight. Let's gitr' dun' then I'm out.

Spoken by a person with an IPS next door.

But it's the cost also. They told me 80.00 to do a simple weld on both sides. If I have them removing X Pipes and cutting sections and moving things and rewelding this here and that there it's going to cost much more.

My reluctance to weld is from trusting someone to do it right, the cost of the work, and the ability to just be able to take my exhaust off and box it up and ship it if I decide to get a 3" system or whatever later.

But mostly trusting someone to not screw my shit up.

You could never understand how hard it is to find someone down here to do good work. And not be ass holes when you try and show them what you want. I am so fed up with shops it isn't funny.

I have counted up the cost of opening my own shop. Don't have the money but more importantly I don't have the knowledge and I'm not a mechanic. And I'd have to find one. Shops suck here.
you still haven't answered my question...


who said anything about welding using my method? and why couldnt you do it in your driveway?
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You don't need an IPS to find someone who can weld.

I know I'm fortunate to live near a great speed shop like IPS.
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you still haven't answered my question...


who said anything about welding using my method? and why couldnt you do it in your driveway?
Use sleeve clamps at the joints and it would work just fine. Way too much work on jack stands under the car in the driveway. LOL

Yes, I'd just remove the midpipes and measure it all but I'd rather pay a guy at that point. And I don't want to pay a guy.

I'll see what they say at the muffler shop. Just got my package in.

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Well, you would think. lol

For a simple weld I got no problem. But that's all.
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Use sleeve clamps at the joints and it would work just fine. Way too much work on jack stands under the car in the driveway. LOL

Yes, I'd just remove the midpipes and measure it all but I'd rather pay a guy at that point. And I don't want to pay a guy.

I'll see what they say at the muffler shop. Just got my package in.

Well, you would think. lol

For a simple weld I got no problem. But that's all.
too much work? you make 4 total cuts... shift everything down by a few inches, then hook everything back up and tighten it down. then wire it up...

you've done more work than that.

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Hell just put some of these on and you'll fit right in.... It doesn't take that much and they bolt right in........If I could photoshop I would
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too much work? you make 4 total cuts... shift everything down by a few inches, then hook everything back up and tighten it down. then wire it up...

you've done more work than that.

I told ya, you bring the beer and I'll put them in for you
Dude, if you weren't 14 hours away I'd damn sure do that.

I'm getting to the point I don't really like crawling around under a low car on stands.

Remove tunnel brace = 4 bolts.

Remove X pipe section = 4 bolts.

Make 4 cuts.

Add 2 sleeve clamps.

Place X pipe back in = tighten 4 bolts (2 per sleeve clamp)

Place S pipes back to meet the x pipe location = 2 band clamp bolts.

Place tunnel brace = 4 bolts.

POW, got my room up front.

Bolt in the Y pipe to leave spot right behind the tranny brace.

Not a ton of work but on jack stands it SUCKS.

I'll check it out. Maybe I can borrow a guys lift.

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The wheel and tire assembly did weigh something like 1,600 pounds
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Dude, if you weren't 14 hours away I'd damn sure do that.

I'm getting to the point I don't really like crawling around under a low car on stands.

Remove tunnel brace = 4 bolts.

Remove X pipe section = 4 bolts.

Make 4 cuts.

Add 2 sleeve clamps.

Place X pipe back in = tighten 4 bolts (2 per sleeve clamp)

Place S pipes back to meet the x pipe location = 2 band clamp bolts.

Place tunnel brace = 4 bolts.

POW, got my room up front.

Bolt in the Y pipe to leave spot right behind the tranny brace.

Not a ton of work but on jack stands it SUCKS.

I'll check it out. Maybe I can borrow a guys lift.



And use the Mario hammer. LOL
its a lot of little stuff.

you could get a couple 2X12's, cut them into 12" squares, then once the car is already up on jackstands, raise it higher and put the jackstands on the 2X12"s.

tho I could see that ending badly.

you could always do the 4th gen trick of putting the car on a spare set of wheels to help get the car up higher
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Ya, so bring on the sawsall. I can take it.
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you've got a clone

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So I'm going to get my stripes painted on and front fascia re-painted and my rocker panel redone today and this weekend.

I have decided to just have him paint the stripes solid and add lettering with vinyl. This way I can change it later if I want to and it will still look great.

I will start with Russ's idea.

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"Never run out of real estate, traction and ideas at the same time."
"I was doing fine until about mid-corner when I ran out of talent."
"Don't brake until you see God, just don't meet him"
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