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Old 07-24-2013, 01:03 AM   #4976
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Isn't this against the for your grudge match against Chris
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:39 AM   #4977
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i think them rules went out the window about 1/2 way to Fest 2!
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:13 AM   #4978
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Isn't this against the for your grudge match against Chris
The base rules are run em' as you brung em'.

Amendments can be agreed upon. (and were)

BUUUUUUT. For Fest 2 there was a mod limit. With a 419 and forged rods and pistons and my maggie with maayyyybe a tad bigger cam I should break in to the 11s for sure. (Ya, I know I should have already )

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Old 07-24-2013, 10:56 AM   #4979
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??? 419 ???
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:12 AM   #4980
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The base rules are run em' as you brung em'.

Amendments can be agreed upon. (and were)

BUUUUUUT. For Fest 2 there was a mod limit. With a 419 and forged rods and pistons and my maggie with maayyyybe a tad bigger cam I should break in to the 11s for sure. (Ya, I know I should have already )

You had a pre-mod mod at Fest 2....

So, Tell us about this 419....
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:21 PM   #4981
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Livernois mentioned it in my Help me build my engine thread.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:27 PM   #4982
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Or this that Chris found.

http://texas-speed.com/p-295-tsp-418...ort-block.aspx
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:21 PM   #4983
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Orrr you can talk to Robert (SSE) I don't recall where he got his short block, but it's held up pretty well to his TT pressurized abuse!

Orrr have a local machine shop freshen up the block, and find a good stroker kit to throw together yourself... if you think it's not beyond your abilities.

[edit] maybe the local machine shop freshening could be farmed out since Mobile doesn't even have a decent alignment shop
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:38 PM   #4984
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Orrr you can talk to Robert (SSE) I don't recall where he got his short block, but it's held up pretty well to his TT pressurized abuse!

Orrr have a local machine shop freshen up the block, and find a good stroker kit to throw together yourself... if you think it's not beyond your abilities.

[edit] maybe the local machine shop freshening could be farmed out since Mobile doesn't even have a decent alignment shop
I'd certainly have to send it off. It's a thought for sure. I could send it to Texas Speed or Livernois. But it might cost about as much as just using it as a core?
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:34 PM   #4985
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I guess it's time for another chapter in my car. 'Gotta add it to my OP. The build might be a hoot. Torque specs, tips, ideas, problems, ...... injuries.

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Old 07-28-2013, 11:37 PM   #4986
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That Video is just plain scary...WoW...
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Old 07-29-2013, 08:15 AM   #4987
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427 NA 650 crank and sell the blower to cover part of the rebuild costs.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:50 AM   #4988
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That's been my thoughts on this too
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:00 AM   #4989
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"enjoy it while you can you slow ass Corvette" haha, love that comment! lmao!
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:53 AM   #4990
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After watching that video I bet your car is fast you have a supercharger lol





YES I know I honestly cant think of a thing to say right now this thread and that video make my head hurt.
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Old 07-29-2013, 12:32 PM   #4991
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That's been my thoughts on this too
The difference in cost for a 427 over a 419 for whatever reason is about what I could get for the blower.

The 419 is an LS3 block. The 427 means LSX and I suppose they are really proud of those letters. haha

For whatever reason the 427 adds about 2500.00 to everything I have found. 419 is the biggest bore I can find without jumping up a lot of money. I have to be able to use my heads as well. Plus, the sronger internals make using the blower safe and keeps my power with adding a little more using the added displacement.

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Old 07-29-2013, 12:33 PM   #4992
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Old 07-29-2013, 08:45 PM   #4993
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The difference in cost for a 427 over a 419 for whatever reason is about what I could get for the blower.

The 419 is an LS3 block. The 427 means LSX and I suppose they are really proud of those letters. haha


LS3 is an aluminum block
LSX is an iron block...... rated to 2500hp i believe at a certain wall width.... so a bit more than the letters. hahahaha
I think the LSX can technically be bored and stroked to a 511 small block...

that sounds fun
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Old 07-29-2013, 08:50 PM   #4994
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:26 PM   #4995
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I went round and round about 18 months or so ago about this exact scenario... 419 keeping the maggie, or 427 and go TT. I really wanted to do a monster car, so I went 427 LSX TT. I WISH I could have afforded an aluminum 427 block for the weight savings, but it was just too much more money.

If you are not going to wish you could eventually go with REALLY REALLY REALLY big power and you want to keep the maggie, then I think the aluminum block (417, 419 whatevs) is the way to go. Those engines are close to 200 lbs lighter than the 427 LSX.

While your maggie will work with a 427, it just doesn't have the size to really push that much displacement to its potential. The maggie is really nice for the 6.2L, but get too much bigger than that and it just can't make enough psi.

I've discovered building engines and the rest of the car is a balancing act. It's crucial that the blower matches the engine (and that the engine should have the right compression ratio...make sure you get an engine built for a blower). It's also important to make sure you upgrade the rest of the car to match the power the engine is making or you'll not be able to make full use of the power.

I think you are wise to go with the 419 forged aluminum block with the maggie. Oh and save some money for beefier axles and driveshaft... maybe a tranny... If you want a car that is for the street primarily and just an occasional trip to the track, then I think that's the way to go.
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LS3 is an aluminum block
LSX is an iron block...... rated to 2500hp i believe at a certain wall width.... so a bit more than the letters. hahahaha
I think the LSX can technically be bored and stroked to a 511 small block...

that sounds fun
You know what, Chris had told me that. I forgot, so fair enough. But still jumps into a bigger price level than I'm willing.

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I went round and round about 18 months or so ago about this exact scenario... 419 keeping the maggie, or 427 and go TT. I really wanted to do a monster car, so I went 427 LSX TT. I WISH I could have afforded an aluminum 427 block for the weight savings, but it was just too much more money.

If you are not going to wish you could eventually go with REALLY REALLY REALLY big power and you want to keep the maggie, then I think the aluminum block (417, 419 whatevs) is the way to go. Those engines are close to 200 lbs lighter than the 427 LSX.

While your maggie will work with a 427, it just doesn't have the size to really push that much displacement to its potential. The maggie is really nice for the 6.2L, but get too much bigger than that and it just can't make enough psi.

I've discovered building engines and the rest of the car is a balancing act. It's crucial that the blower matches the engine (and that the engine should have the right compression ratio...make sure you get an engine built for a blower). It's also important to make sure you upgrade the rest of the car to match the power the engine is making or you'll not be able to make full use of the power.

I think you are wise to go with the 419 forged aluminum block with the maggie. Oh and save some money for beefier axles and driveshaft... maybe a tranny... If you want a car that is for the street primarily and just an occasional trip to the track, then I think that's the way to go.
Yup I remember. I'd have plenty of fun with the power that a mildly blown 419 would give me. They do have a 427 in an LS3 aluminum block that I could do a NA car with (like Pete said) but even at 650 chp I'd be losing power.

of course if I go with more displacement then I'll need new headers. Ugh.......
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But still jumps into a bigger price level than I'm willing.
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of course if I go with more displacement then I'll need new headers. Ugh.......
eh?
new headers? why is that? did you not buy normal headers the first time?
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new headers? why is that? did you not buy normal headers the first time?
Well, I got the Borla headers and they are only 1 3/4 primaries. Most peope have 1 7/8 primaries. Some have questioned the need for me to changed them with the 376. To go to 419 would push even more air.
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