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Old 06-07-2010, 10:37 PM   #1
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My Supercar Suspension Installed!

Well guys, I finally have it all installed and all I can say is WOW! From the way Pedders and Pfadt worked with me and each other to get the rights parts to Heath and Sam at American Muffler and Brake Fredricksberg TX who did a Top Notch installation. My car is now AWESOME!
Pedders US parts warehouse manager Dan aka PartsGedder was also there to greet me assist in the whole install. I dropped the car off at 8 am Sat. morning and wouldn’t you know it the only car rental place in town is closed on Sat. Heath came to my sons rescue and loaned me his truck for the day (like I said a top notch guy). We got back over to the shop about 3 pm and they had the front done and were on the left side of the back. We watched them work on the car for a few hours then headed back to the hotel to await the call. When I say these guys are hard core I mean it, they called about 12 am to verify the height then called back at 3am to say the car was done. When I got to the shop and during the check drive a slight thump could be heard at low speed upon acceleration, we messed with it for about an hour before crying uncle and picked it back at 9 am Sunday morn. After a few more drives and three trips back up on the rack and two complete bolt checks of every nut and bolt we finally concluded it is the play in the rear-end and with the HD bushings vs. soft rubber you can just hear it now. I will give LPE a call to check the spec on that one this week.
Well back to the Camaro and the results of all of these parts and professional installation. The difference is night and day, if when GM builds the Z28 they really need bring Pedders into the design. The super car coilovers are amazing, I haven’t even had a chance to play with adjustments yet but at 15 clicks it is nice. The ride is firm but not harsh at all, like when I had the 21’s on my car I hated the harsh ride. You will notice more road noise from the bushings, but I got the HD’s and they are very hard. The steering and road tracking is also vastly improved, no more fighting the wheel at 80 to hold a line on a rough road. In a corner the car is flat and it now feels like the only limits are tires and the intestinal fortitude to push it. In fact I would say it is beyond a Z06 corvette, and would love to have the chance to compare it with a ZR1.
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164086 SportsRyder Supercar Coilover
EP1167HD Zeta HD Differential Mounts
EP1201HD Camaro HD Rear Sub Frame Repl
EP2112 Zeta Steering Rack/Pinion Mnt
EP6577 Camaro Front Radius Rod Bush
EP7264 Zeta Rear Lower Control Arm In
EP7322 Camaro Rear Upper Control Arm
EP7323 Zeta Rear Trailing ArmToe Link
PDUSACAM2800 Camaro Complete Brake Hose Kit
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit

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Camaro Performance Rear Trailing Arm
Pfadt Camaro Sway Bar End Links
2010 Camaro Engine Mounts (have to re-order, correct size received C6)
2010 Camaro Camber Kit

Here are some pics and as soon as I get a chance to clean her up will add some better after shots, these were taken at about 3am.
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:40 PM   #2
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Cool!! What components did you get installed, exactly?
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:32 PM   #3
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I got the same clunk in the rear end after the Pedders install too. Chased it for a while and have decided it's slack in the diff as well. Post up if you figure it out.
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Old 06-08-2010, 01:32 AM   #4
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did the pfadt camber plates end up working?
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Old 06-08-2010, 01:50 AM   #5
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That's a gorgeous setup. I have their street Xtreme package with their bushings and Xa Coilovers and I quite agree, the difference is like night and day compared to stock.

How do you like the Racing Brake rotors in the front?
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Old 06-08-2010, 06:26 AM   #6
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did the pfadt camber plates end up working?
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Old 06-08-2010, 06:28 AM   #7
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That's a gorgeous setup. I have their street Xtreme package with their bushings and Xa Coilovers and I quite agree, the difference is like night and day compared to stock.

How do you like the Racing Brake rotors in the front?
I like them, just wish they would get the rears done. I also added the Hawk pads, they also helped a lot.
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Cool!! What components did you get installed, exactly?
Detail added to the first post. When I get time I will do a complete build thread of everything done so far to the car.
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Mike, It was great to meet you. I have the 2AM pic of the car with the finished ride heights, 640mm front, 650mm rear. The picture is dark, but it shows the drop. The picture didn't look that fuzzy when it was taken...



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Well guys, I finally have it all installed and all I can say is WOW! From the way Pedders and Pfadt worked with me and each other to get the rights parts to Heath and Sam at American Muffler and Brake Fredricksberg TX who did a Top Notch installation. My car is now AWESOME!
Pedders US parts warehouse manager Dan aka PartsGedder was also there to greet me assist in the whole install. I dropped the car off at 8 am Sat. morning and wouldn’t you know it the only car rental place in town is closed on Sat. Heath came to my sons rescue and loaned me his truck for the day (like I said a top notch guy). We got back over to the shop about 3 pm and they had the front done and were on the left side of the back. We watched them work on the car for a few hours then headed back to the hotel to await the call. When I say these guys are hard core I mean it, they called about 12 am to verify the height then called back at 3am to say the car was done. When I got to the shop and during the check drive a slight thump could be heard at low speed upon acceleration, we messed with it for about an hour before crying uncle and picked it back at 9 am Sunday morn. After a few more drives and three trips back up on the rack and two complete bolt checks of every nut and bolt we finally concluded it is the play in the rear-end and with the HD bushings vs. soft rubber you can just hear it now. I will give LPE a call to check the spec on that one this week.
Well back to the Camaro and the results of all of these parts and professional installation. The difference is night and day, if when GM builds the Z28 they really need bring Pedders into the design. The super car coilovers are amazing, I haven’t even had a chance to play with adjustments yet but at 15 clicks it is nice. The ride is firm but not harsh at all, like when I had the 21’s on my car I hated the harsh ride. You will notice more road noise from the bushings, but I got the HD’s and they are very hard. The steering and road tracking is also vastly improved, no more fighting the wheel at 80 to hold a line on a rough road. In a corner the car is flat and it now feels like the only limits are tires and the intestinal fortitude to push it. In fact I would say it is beyond a Z06 corvette, and would love to have the chance to compare it with a ZR1.
Details of parts we added:
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164086 SportsRyder Supercar Coilover
EP1167HD Zeta HD Differential Mounts
EP1201HD Camaro HD Rear Sub Frame Repl
EP2112 Zeta Steering Rack/Pinion Mnt
EP6577 Camaro Front Radius Rod Bush
EP7264 Zeta Rear Lower Control Arm In
EP7322 Camaro Rear Upper Control Arm
EP7323 Zeta Rear Trailing ArmToe Link
PDUSACAM2800 Camaro Complete Brake Hose Kit
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit

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Camaro Adjustable Sway Bars - Sport
Camaro Performance Rear Trailing Arm
Pfadt Camaro Sway Bar End Links
2010 Camaro Engine Mounts (have to re-order, correct size received C6)
2010 Camaro Camber Kit

Here are some pics and as soon as I get a chance to clean her up will add some better after shots, these were taken at about 3am.
WOW - my list actually looks really close to yours There are a few changes but overall, it looks like you're really happy with the results, so that makes me feel like the direction I was thinking of wasn't too far off.

Thanks for the input!

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Mike, It was great to meet you. I have the 2AM pic of the car with the finished ride heights, 640mm front, 650mm rear. The picture is dark, but it shows the drop. The picture didn't look that fuzzy when it was taken...

Jeese!!! You guys are hardcore!!!
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With the plate you'd still need the lower alignment bolts correct?
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American Muffler and Pedders thank you for your business and the great write up!

Please allow me to make a couple of notes. One benefit of the Pedders Supercar coilovers is the 10mm increase in the clevis width. They deliver with the slot at factory size. If you elongate the slot about 3mm you can get over 3 degrees of negative camber. Always confirm adequate clearance with your specific wheel and tire combination, but know that there is a lot of negative camber available without spending money on any extra parts.

The increase in front track due to the clevis design helps to make the track more square -- the front closer to the rear which helps reduce understeer.

There is noise in the drive line and that does become more pronounced as the durometer of the bushings increase. Depending on your use of your Camaro, using Pedders street friendly urethane with void technology delivers significant improvement in drivability with minimal change in cabin noise. A perfect example is the differential bush set EP1176 compared to the EP1167HD. The same true of the sub-frame bushes. EP1200 inserts are very quite -- imperceptible to me. Full sub-frame bushes EP1201 are a bit noisier than OE and the EP1201HD the noisiest of the group.

Pedders or your Pedders Dealer will work with you to sort out what will work best for your driving style. That is critical. You want and need only what you want and need.

mws444 -- that is one BAD Pedderised LPE Camaro.

Everyone Else -- If own a Vette and you live in Texas, get out of the way when you see mws444 coming down the road!
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With the plate you'd still need the lower alignment bolts correct?
There is a lot of miss information on the forums about front camber and the Camaro. The Camaro knuckle has a threaded hole for a camber adjustment screw. The OE strut has a slot in the top of the clevis for camber adjustment. Your Camaro delivers with front camber adjustment. Chevrolet did not install a camber screw nor do they list a camber screw for the Camaro. WITH OR WITHOUT THE CAMBER SCREW YOUR CAMARO HAS CAMBER ADJUSTMENT FROM THE FACTORY. If you install a Pedders camber screw, the tech screws it against the strut or unscrews it to make camber adjustment EASIER.

You could use a Pontiac GTO or Pontiac G8 camber adjustment screw / bolt, but they are not readily available for obvious reasons. This picture shows an early Pedders polished stainless eXtreme coilover on a G8 with a OE camber screw.



Here is a G8 with Xa coilovers and the OE camber screw.



This picture shows a cadmium plated Pedders camber screw.



The important take away is that the OE clevis bolts are robust and there is no reason to replace them with an aftermarket cam bolt because your Camaro delivered from the factory with front camber adjustment. Pedders does not sell a front camber adjustment cam bolt or eccentric. Pedders sells a camber screw to use the hole in the knuckle that was designed by GM to make adjusting camber EASIER.
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Mike, It was great to meet you. I have the 2AM pic of the car with the finished ride heights, 640mm front, 650mm rear. The picture is dark, but it shows the drop. The picture didn't look that fuzzy when it was taken...



Hey man you guys are great, the pleasure and all new ride are thanks to you, Heath, Sam and great manufacturing.
Hey I think my eyes were fuzzier than that.
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There is a lot of miss information on the forums about front camber and the Camaro. The Camaro knuckle has a threaded hole for a camber adjustment screw. The OE strut has a slot in the top of the clevis for camber adjustment. Your Camaro delivers with front camber adjustment. Chevrolet did not install a camber screw nor do they list a camber screw for the Camaro. WITH OR WITHOUT THE CAMBER SCREW YOUR CAMARO HAS CAMBER ADJUSTMENT FROM THE FACTORY. If you install a Pedders camber screw, the tech screws it against the strut or unscrews it to make camber adjustment EASIER.

You could use a Pontiac GTO or Pontiac G8 camber adjustment screw / bolt, but they are not readily available for obvious reasons. This picture shows an early Pedders polished stainless eXtreme coilover on a G8 with a OE camber screw.



Here is a G8 with Xa coilovers and the OE camber screw.



This picture shows a cadmium plated Pedders camber screw.



The important take away is that the OE clevis bolts are robust and there is no reason to replace them with an aftermarket cam bolt because your Camaro delivered from the factory with front camber adjustment. Pedders does not sell a front camber adjustment cam bolt or eccentric. Pedders sells a camber screw to use the hole in the knuckle that was designed by GM to make adjusting camber EASIER.
All true Pete, but the Pfadt camber plates look just too cool to pass on. The stock coilover mount looks like it is installed upside down. I want to play with it to see what effect the adjustment has on the toe, logic dictates it will be slight in race mode and zero back out when placed back into street mode, we will see.
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WOW - my list actually looks really close to yours There are a few changes but overall, it looks like you're really happy with the results, so that makes me feel like the direction I was thinking of wasn't too far off.

Thanks for the input!



Jeese!!! You guys are hardcore!!!
You wont be sorry, it is a lot of mods at one time but the change is amazing!
I hope to get time this week to play with it a little and get the car cleaned up for some more pics.
It is almost as good a feeling as when the car got back from LPE.
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Hey Radz how do I go about getting some additional sig space for all my mods? 600 just wont do anymore. Not to mention I dont think I am anywhere near done yet.
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All true Pete, but the Pfadt camber plates look just too cool to pass on. The stock coilover mount looks like it is installed upside down. I want to play with it to see what effect the adjustment has on the toe, logic dictates it will be slight in race mode and zero back out when placed back into street mode, we will see.
Oh man, I am sorry. My post was NOT directed at you or the plates. There are other threads where people are saying you need to buy cam shaped camber bolts becuase there is NO adjustment on an OE Camaro.
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Oh man, I am sorry. My post was NOT directed at you or the plates. There are other threads where people are saying you need to buy cam shaped camber bolts becuase there is NO adjustment on an OE Camaro.
No big deal. Hey you never spiiled the beans on Indy, tell us how it was!
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You wont be sorry, it is a lot of mods at one time but the change is amazing!
I hope to get time this week to play with it a little and get the car cleaned up for some more pics.
It is almost as good a feeling as when the car got back from LPE.
Yeah - I bet it was a HUGE change Really, I think the biggest question I have are the rear subframe bushes and whether-or-not I want to go solid or not. I know I'd prefer not to spend that kind of money, however the improvement I have seen is quite astounding. I don't really care too much about the additional noise, so I'm sure the polys you have would be even better; I just want to absolutely control that subframe. After watching the rear end on so many of the Camaros at the 'Fest, I'm absolutely sold on getting that thing anchored down. Also, I'm concerned about the strength of the OEM control arms. I've seen the posts that mention they aren't necessary, but after seeing some of the pics' out ther of twisted arms, on even mostly stock cars, I worry. Understandably, I don't know how those cars were treated nor know the history but I still wonder...

Do you have any more pics' of the parts off the car by chance? I'd LOVE if you could share any additional ones you may have.

Thanks for sharing, regardless

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Hey Radz how do I go about getting some additional sig space for all my mods? 600 just wont do anymore. Not to mention I dont think I am anywhere near done yet.
You might have to rearrange the way you have everything organized; more into a paragraph-like appearance. That might not be the look you want, but that might be the only option Please let me know what you think

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Oh man, I am sorry. My post was NOT directed at you or the plates. There are other threads where people are saying you need to buy cam shaped camber bolts becuase there is NO adjustment on an OE Camaro.
Thanks for clearing that up Pete
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Indy was AWESOME. It was my first INDY and MY parts were on the GM Pace Car. Let me re-phrase that, the part GM BOUGHT from me were on the Pace Car!!! The Camaros were flawless in person and on track. The only negative were the replica Pace Cars sitting at OE height. I am off to Gingerman for a bit of track testing with a couple of very bright engineers. I'll post pictures of Indy tonight or in the morning and MAYBE some shots from the track.
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