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Old 11-12-2011, 11:33 AM   #1
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I'm looking for a good source for a driveshaft and / or axles. I'm aware of DSS, and Hendrix, but also found this organization. Has anyone dealt with them for DS and Axles for their vehicles?

Their products and options look awesome, not to mention their pricing is very reasonable, also appears they have the patent on the carbon fibre driveshaft.

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Old 11-12-2011, 12:19 PM   #2
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I live about an hour from them and work about 20 minutes from there shop. I know alot of drag racers that run there stuff. I drag race a 67 stang that has there rear end housing axles and third member. I was over there a few weeks ago nice guys.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:44 PM   #3
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They have been in the drag racing scene as long as I can remember. Also, don't forget about Gforce engineering.
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They have been in the drag racing scene as long as I can remember. Also, don't forget about Gforce engineering.


We have used them for years in our 6-7 second dragsters, etc. But they are not a supporting vendor on here so I would patronize the above vendors who all have excellent products that are proven for the Gen5 for most any HP.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:35 PM   #5
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Mark Williams makes some good stuff. But as far as 5th Gen Camaro drivetrain you can't go wrong with DSS. Excellent products and customer service.
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:32 AM   #6
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Mark Williams makes some great stuff.
As mentioned, you might take a look at our axles and driveshafts for the Camaro
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:48 AM   #7
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I live about an hour from them and work about 20 minutes from there shop. I know alot of drag racers that run there stuff. I drag race a 67 stang that has there rear end housing axles and third member. I was over there a few weeks ago nice guys.
Thanks, for the feedback. That's exactly what I want to know.


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I'll check it out for sure. I'm always open to vendors that have what I want vs what everyone else gets.

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We have used them for years in our 6-7 second dragsters, etc. But they are not a supporting vendor on here so I would patronize the above vendors who all have excellent products that are proven for the Gen5 for most any HP.
I'll check out all vendors that have good products, and can provide what I need.

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Mark Williams makes some good stuff. But as far as 5th Gen Camaro drivetrain you can't go wrong with DSS. Excellent products and customer service.
I'm looking for a custom Chromoly setup that's reasonably priced don't see this option on the DSS website. That's why I'm looking at other vendors.

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As mentioned, you might take a look at our axles and driveshafts for the Camaro
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Hey Chris, will do for sure, if you have Chromoly setup feel free to PM me.
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Old 11-13-2011, 12:03 PM   #8
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We can make the chromoly one, we actually did have one at one time but i t was so heavy (25lbs) no one really wanted it, it took out 2 diffs at the 2010 LSX shoot out. We can make it at time you want one with in a day or two. I would really suggest the 3-1/2 aluminum as it has already been tested part the strength of the stock diff and 2 different 9" kits. We cn also still make the 2 piece chromoly units if you prefer. here is what we have to offer


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Old 11-13-2011, 12:08 PM   #9
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Thanks, for the feedback. That's exactly what I want to know.




I'll check it out for sure. I'm always open to vendors that have what I want vs what everyone else gets.



I'll check out all vendors that have good products, and can provide what I need.



I'm looking for a custom Chromoly setup that's reasonably priced don't see this option on the DSS website. That's why I'm looking at other vendors.



Hey Chris, will do for sure, if you have Chromoly setup feel free to PM me.
I'll send a PM now, we supply the chromoly shafts with alot of our 9" kits. A bit heavier then the aluminum shafts but very strong and trouble free.
We can also supply our shafts with a billet bolt on front yoke to replace the 3 finger OEM yoke, that way there is no adapters at all.
We even make a rear billet yoke.. lots of options
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Old 11-13-2011, 12:31 PM   #10
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We can make the chromoly one, we actually did have one at one time but i t was so heavy (25lbs) no one really wanted it, it took out 2 diffs at the 2010 LSX shoot out. We can make it at time you want one with in a day or two. I would really suggest the 3-1/2 aluminum as it has already been tested part the strength of the stock diff and 2 different 9" kits. We cn also still make the 2 piece chromoly units if you prefer. here is what we have to offer


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I can attest to DSS being a GREAT vendor who stands behind his products. Your call but I would pay attention to what he says. I have his aluminum DS in my car currently with 700+ rwhp and an M6 and the car leaves VIOLENTLY on slicks. Shaft takes every ounce of the abuse and is much lighter than chromoly....remember rotational weight is heavier than just the sum of the ounces.
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Old 11-13-2011, 02:47 PM   #11
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I can attest to DSS being a GREAT vendor who stands behind his products. Your call but I would pay attention to what he says. I have his aluminum DS in my car currently with 700+ rwhp and an M6 and the car leaves VIOLENTLY on slicks. Shaft takes every ounce of the abuse and is much lighter than chromoly....remember rotational weight is heavier than just the sum of the ounces.
DSS is definately on the short list for the next phase of mods after the LSX gets installed. We're estimating over 800-900+rwhp., so looking at all the options for the DS and axles. Thinking chromoly for extra strength without huge price tag of the carbon fibre.
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Old 11-15-2011, 09:19 AM   #12
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For the guys that have a 1 piece, do you feel any vibrations in the car with a 1 piece driveshaft.
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None of the guys we sell to have had any issues, I'm sure a few will chime in here.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:01 PM   #14
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I have not heard a single issues from a DSS CV style one piece driveshaft, and I know of probably 30 guys running them.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:21 PM   #15
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For the guys that have a 1 piece, do you feel any vibrations in the car with a 1 piece driveshaft.
Nope...smooth like butter.
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:51 PM   #16
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From what I've read, my interpretation is there is consensus that with a single shaft you will get some vibration but it will be a lighter DS, and a 2 peice is stronger than any single DS and no vibration, but heavier and could snap diff. Is this correct?

What would be recommended for an LSX-427 (stock gears, tranny), most likely will upgrade the axles? Would be doing some drag racing occassionally but really interested in hot-laps, and not trying out for NASCAR, but want to challenge my driving skills so RPM's probably will never exceed 6-7rpm. No plans to do any major diff. changes ie - 9" rear (not doing this, or gear changes). Just want to have some fun at the track as a hobby, and to open up the car in a safe environment (not on public roads or hwy.).

We're estimating with 10+psi. (not sure of exact amount) boost we'll achieve a modest 800rwhp. My original thinking is chromoly (single) DS if possible for good balance of strength vs weight, I don't plan on breaking any records on a drag strip, but don't want to break up my vehicle on that one day I decide to go for the gusto, therefore I prefer the strength over speed or weight, however, I don't know what impact this would have overall. My thinking here is if I really want more power / speed there are other areas I can improve before I worry about a few pounds on the DS.

Also, if the response is (with a particular brand) no vibration, why would brand x have vibration while brad y doesn't on a 1 piece shaft?
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:34 PM   #17
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I cannt really speak for any other manufacturer but i will say we dont have vibration issues at all with the single shaft in either Aluminum Carbon or Chromoly. We were making a 2 piece shaft but recently discontinued it because of the success we had with the single ones. To date we have never had a single breakage on any of our aluminum shafts and from what i do remember only one gentleman who had posted on our Carbon Fiber thread had an issue with a competitors aluminum shaft but the reason was they were bonding the CV end like a Carbon shaft (ours is welded on both ends). we make our head on both the Aluminum and Carbon and Chromoly shafts. Were a little different than most Driveshaft places in the fact that we manufacture allot of the parts we use, out head section for the CV uses a 300M spline and as i recall the GKN part is made from a standard style material.

Take a look at our heads, i also have the Chromoly ones but not pictured here



The biggest thing to consider is how the shafts are balanced, i will not speak for any other manufacturer but i will say we have spent allot of time and money having this custom balancer made and its the reason we dont have vibration issues, its capable of spinning a shaft from 1rpm to 9500rpm and anywhere in between so we can check for the smallest issue the part may have.

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if you want security i understand why you would be considering the Chromoly shaft but i would suggest the Aluminum one to be the best for your set up.
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