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Old 10-24-2008, 07:52 AM   #1
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Are the SS Brakes Drilled?

I am learning alot here so I hope this is not a dumb question. I have seen alot of performance cars with holes drilled into the brake disc. Does anybody know if the SS is going to have this?
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Old 10-24-2008, 07:59 AM   #2
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From the recent posted pictures of the RS, it does not look like the brakes are drilled.

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Old 10-24-2008, 08:00 AM   #3
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But thats not a V8, I am hoping the V8 is since they do get the Brembo brakes.
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Old 10-24-2008, 08:04 AM   #4
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Check out this tread also:

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Old 10-24-2008, 09:33 AM   #5
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drilling and slotting is more of a cosmetic mod than a performance mod, dont get me wrong i love drilled and slotted rotors, i have theem on my 71 chevelle and they look BA, but they dont really help out any
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Old 10-24-2008, 12:16 PM   #6
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I though drilling and slotting helped in heat disipation that results in better brake performance, but mainly longer life.
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I though drilling and slotting helped in heat disipation that results in better brake performance, but mainly longer life.
slotting yes, but drilled rotors tend to get small cracks in them from daily driving, so Car companies tend to leave them off large production cars. it doesnt look good if people have discs cracking. Slotted rotors retain the strength and clear brake dust helping longevity of the disk. Even the New CTS-V doesnt have drilled rotors.
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Old 10-24-2008, 05:39 PM   #8
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God I hope not. I hate drilled rotors. I hate the concept that poking holes in something that sees thousands of heat cycles, and I hate the misconception that drilled rotors will help you stop better.

LOLWTFBBQ C6Z rotors cracking on the track failzorz!

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I though drilling and slotting helped in heat disipation that results in better brake performance, but mainly longer life.
Shorter life, if you're talking about pads. The slots shave the surface of the pad, which cleans them and gives you better pad surface and bite at the cost of life. I like slotted rotors. I'm a big fan. Cross drilled I'll gladly live without.
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i put soem slotted rotors and hawk pads on my 99 tahoe (everyone who has an early chevy knows about brake inadequacies) and WOW you really could feel a difference! and i DIDNT change the calipers to anything bigger. I stand by slotted with a good pad. drilled i can live without.
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i just asked a brakes guy about it yesterday & he said that unless you're doing some performance driving/braking, you're better of just leaving the stock rotors on. he also said that a lot of brake shops won't turn drilled rotors, so if you warp one, you just gotta bite it & buy another.
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drilling and slotting is more of a cosmetic mod than a performance mod, dont get me wrong i love drilled and slotted rotors, i have theem on my 71 chevelle and they look BA, but they dont really help out any
with better pads and rotors coming from the factory, yes its more of a cosmetic thing, they do help, but unless you are carving corners or stopping from 150mph down the 1/4 mile all the time, you dont need it.

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I though drilling and slotting helped in heat disipation that results in better brake performance, but mainly longer life.
yes and no, they do help with heat dissipation, which is the basics behind how brakes work, which can lead to your rotors lasting longer, but the pads will need to be replaced due to the slight amount of material removed from the slots and holes

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God I hope not. I hate drilled rotors. I hate the concept that poking holes in something that sees thousands of heat cycles, and I hate the misconception that drilled rotors will help you stop better.

LOLWTFBBQ C6Z rotors cracking on the track failzorz!



Shorter life, if you're talking about pads. The slots shave the surface of the pad, which cleans them and gives you better pad surface and bite at the cost of life. I like slotted rotors. I'm a big fan. Cross drilled I'll gladly live without.

ive seen a lot of racing teams complain about fresh drilled rotors cracking after a race.... and how people condemn them... but one thing that needs to be taken into account with ANY brake setup, is that the pads and the rotors need to be seasoned before pushing them to their limits. and a lot of people dont do that.

ive got cross drilled and slotted rotors on my 94Z and have had them for nearly 2 years now and almost 40,000 miles and still have over half of my pads remaining. now, maybe I just got a damn good set of pads and rotors, but i can tell you that I rag the crap out of my car on the road and off and have yet to have a single crack.


not saying that everyone should go out and buy drilled and slotted rotors or slotted or drilled by themselves. it all depends on the vehicle and its uses.

tho, if you want to argue about drilled rotors some more.... here's a nice little vehicle that has drilled only rotors.... can you guess what it is?

do you know?

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Old 11-15-2008, 05:55 PM   #12
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^^ lol the zr1 brakes. arnt those like carbon ceramic. a little expensive for a daily driver on the camaro tho. it would be cool tho useing ur brakes alot at night to watch them slowly glow.
for people thinken about getting slotted or drilled or whatever. the more u pay the better u generaly get. i personly would fork out the money on a BBK(big brake kit) probly one from brembo, or progect mu.
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^^ lol the zr1 brakes. arnt those like carbon ceramic. a little expensive for a daily driver on the camaro tho. it would be cool tho useing ur brakes alot at night to watch them slowly glow.
for people thinken about getting slotted or drilled or whatever. the more u pay the better u generaly get. i personly would fork out the money on a BBK(big brake kit) probly one from brembo, or progect mu.


lol thought you'd get a kick out of that.

brembo, baer, there are a lot of places to get them. 4th gen people love to brag about brake setups from the ws6store and are willing to buy them for a retarded price compared to buying them direct from the factory for less...

http://rotorwork.net/

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no they arent. but i wish they would offer some through gmpp.
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ive seen a lot of racing teams complain about fresh drilled rotors cracking after a race.... and how people condemn them... but one thing that needs to be taken into account with ANY brake setup, is that the pads and the rotors need to be seasoned before pushing them to their limits. and a lot of people dont do that.

ive got cross drilled and slotted rotors on my 94Z and have had them for nearly 2 years now and almost 40,000 miles and still have over half of my pads remaining. now, maybe I just got a damn good set of pads and rotors, but i can tell you that I rag the crap out of my car on the road and off and have yet to have a single crack.


not saying that everyone should go out and buy drilled and slotted rotors or slotted or drilled by themselves. it all depends on the vehicle and its uses.

tho, if you want to argue about drilled rotors some more.... here's a nice little vehicle that has drilled only rotors.... can you guess what it is?

do you know?

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You're kidding, right? I'm pretty sure Katech, Pfadt, LG Motorsports.....etc know how to properly bed pads to rotors. It's not the fact that they're not bedded, it's the fact that steel rotors are often too brittle to be structurally sound with holes drilled in them through heat cycles.

How often does your LT1 see a road course and how much power are you making? There are people with stock C6 Z51 brakes that will get cracks after a day of canyon driving. Not even HPDE driving....canyon driving.

Oh, and carbon ceramic rotors......AREN'T STEEL ROTORS. Different compounds react differently to heat. The C6Z06 and C6Z51 both have factory cross drilled rotors too and both of them have known cracking problems after hard driving. We're talking about steel rotors here.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...id-rotors.html

Go do some reading everyone. This is why I'm glad the car comes with blanks. If I were to upgrade, I'd move to slotted. Hell, if I had the C6Z06 I want I'd replace the stock drilled rotors with slotted rotors too.



Now if drilled rotors were a performance enhancement, why does this $6,000 front only brake kit not have them? This is one of the nicest packages sold right now......


How about these cars....





Clearly cost is little object on these builds, yet they run slotted over drilled rotors........
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^^i understnad what ur saying but i dont understand if their not for performance why do high end companies use them such as ferrari,lamborghini,porche,mercades, chevys ZR1. theirs gotta be some explanation to that. the only thing i see the same on each car is their using carbon cermaic rotors. does that work better being drilled. maby it cools down the breaks easier. i unno maby its just cosmetic.
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new corvette ceramic rotors are $1600 each, that would be a very expensive brake job, rotors can not be machined
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^^i understnad what ur saying but i dont understand if their not for performance why do high end companies use them such as ferrari,lamborghini,porche,mercades, chevys ZR1. theirs gotta be some explanation to that. the only thing i see the same on each car is their using carbon cermaic rotors. does that work better being drilled. maby it cools down the breaks easier. i unno maby its just cosmetic.
Purely cosmetic on OEM steel rotors. I know as far as Brembo is concerned, their holes are cast in, not drilled through, so they withstand the heat cycles better, and there are some weight savings. Carbon ceramic rotors react much better to heat so they won't crack nearly as quickly, but they're also much to rich for the likes of 99% of Camaro owners.

Drilled rotors look fast. Looking fast helps sell cars.

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You're kidding, right? I'm pretty sure Katech, Pfadt, LG Motorsports.....etc know how to properly bed pads to rotors. It's not the fact that they're not bedded, it's the fact that steel rotors are often too brittle to be structurally sound with holes drilled in them through heat cycles.

im completely aware of their ability and knowledge of bedding pads to rotors, but how often do you think that actually happens on serious race cars when the brakes are meant to last for one race then they are discarded? on top of that, how many "average" car owners bed their pads/rotors properly? how many just put them on and do a few slow speed brakings, then a couple high speed brakings and call it a day, or just install them and call it good?

How often does your LT1 see a road course and how much power are you making? There are people with stock C6 Z51 brakes that will get cracks after a day of canyon driving. Not even HPDE driving....canyon driving.

I havent been on the road course yet this year cus I got rear ended in my 95Z, last year i made it to about a dozen road courses down here, car was making about 420 at the wheels and the only difference between it and my 94 is the 94 has a scanmaster hooked up to it. and I know about the C6 brakes cracking and all sorts of other vehicles that go thru the same thing. I didnt say that it couldnt happen, im saying that it isnt always going to happen

Oh, and carbon ceramic rotors......AREN'T STEEL ROTORS. Different compounds react differently to heat. The C6Z06 and C6Z51 both have factory cross drilled rotors too and both of them have known cracking problems after hard driving. We're talking about steel rotors here.


im talking about about drilled/slotted/blank rotors in general. and there is a difference in "drilled" rotors that are actually cast with the holes and not technically drilled. and one thing to remember is that just because a solid rotor isnt giving you hairline cracks, doesnt mean its still doing its job. once the heat threshold of a solid rotor is surpassed, its actual braking ability is comprimised. neither condition is desireable, ive seen brakes overheat and explode on the track before (once cus an idiot decided to spray the brake with water "to cool it down"

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...id-rotors.html

Go do some reading everyone. This is why I'm glad the car comes with blanks. If I were to upgrade, I'd move to slotted. Hell, if I had the C6Z06 I want I'd replace the stock drilled rotors with slotted rotors too.



Now if drilled rotors were a performance enhancement, why does this $6,000 front only brake kit not have them? This is one of the nicest packages sold right now......


How about these cars....





Clearly cost is little object on these builds, yet they run slotted over drilled rotors........
why dont they throw a 500hp shot of nitrous on the build as well? why not run quad turbos as well with methanol injection?

why not you ask?


because its not needed. slotted brakes will do just fine... drilled and slotted brakes will do fine... blank disks will do just fine.... for a particular setup and threshold.




oh.... and how about these brakes?



are they slotted? (because of the slots) or drilled? because the "slots" go all the way thru?


as ive said, drilled/pre-cast, slotted, and blank rotors all have their place in the racing world. all types are used.
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