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Old 08-10-2010, 01:41 AM   #251
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No, I need a safety with kids in the house. Sorry for the poorly constructed sentence there.

Thankx for the assistance, I'll start looking at websites. They frequently have gun shows at the fair grounds. At least I can put my hands on one and see how good the grip is, etc. I'm not a small girl.. 6'1" and can hold my own, just want something smaller than the Beretta 9mm. I don't feel confident using it.. Thanx again. Lori
The Glocks have 2 safetys they have a pin safety that prevents it from firing if dropped and a trigger safety that only allows the gun to be fired when the trigger is depressed. So basically the gun wont fire unless your finger is on the trigger. The flip side is like any gun if it's gonna be in a place where a child could get near it you should have a trigger lock on it. Or better still have it in a gun safe. Glocks are great guns very reliable and they make a variety of sizes using almost any round you can think of.
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I was just looking at the FN's.. Thankx.. Sorry magazine, my bad - thankx for the reminder.
Actually, it's no real big deal, lol. It's just a pet peeve, and from all my quals (I'm LEO), it gets driven into our skulls which is which, lol.

FN's are great guns, if I wasn't jonesing for a 4" .44mag wheelgun, an FN 45 would probably find it's way into my house!!


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The Glocks have 2 safetys they have a pin safety that prevents it from firing if dropped and a trigger safety that only allows the gun to be fired when the trigger is depressed. So basically the gun wont fire unless your finger is on the trigger. The flip side is like any gun if it's gonna be in a place where a child could get near it you should have a trigger lock on it. Or better still have it in a gun safe. Glocks are great guns very reliable and they make a variety of sizes using almost any round you can think of.
Glocks have 2 internal safeties, and then the trigger safety. I was wrong when I said 4, lol...

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Glock pistols are designed with three independent safety mechanisms to prevent accidental discharge. The system, designated "Safe Action" by Glock, consists of an external integrated trigger safety[30] and two automatic internal safeties: a firing pin safety[31] and a drop safety.[32] The external safety is a small inner lever contained in the trigger. Pressing the lever activates the trigger bar and sheet metal connector. The firing pin safety is a solid hardened steel pin that, in the secured state, blocks the firing pin channel (disabling the firing pin in its longitudinal axis). It is pushed upward to release the firing pin for firing only when the trigger is actuated and the safety is pushed up through the backward movement of the trigger bar. The drop safety guides the trigger bar in a ramp that is released only when direct rearward pressure is applied to the trigger. The three safety mechanisms are automatically disengaged one after the other when the trigger is squeezed, and are automatically reactivated when the trigger is released.[10][33] This passive safety system omits the manipulation of traditional on-off levers, hammers or other external safeties as found in many other handgun designs.

In short, Glocks are very safe guns, as far as mechanical problems go. The main safety on a Glock is the user, and that's where most of the problems occur.
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Actually, it's no real big deal, lol. It's just a pet peeve, and from all my quals (I'm LEO), it gets driven into our skulls which is which, lol.

In short, Glocks are very safe guns, as far as mechanical problems go. The main safety on a Glock is the user, and that's where most of the problems occur.
Thankx again for the share.. It helped a lot..
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The flip side is like any gun if it's gonna be in a place where a child could get near it you should have a trigger lock on it. Or better still have it in a gun safe.
Dedicated pistol safes can be had relatively inexpensively, especially considering the peace of mind they provide...

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No, I need a safety with kids in the house. Sorry for the poorly constructed sentence there.

Thankx for the assistance, I'll start looking at websites. They frequently have gun shows at the fair grounds. At least I can put my hands on one and see how good the grip is, etc. I'm not a small girl.. 6'1" and can hold my own, just want something smaller than the Beretta 9mm. I don't feel confident using it.. Thanx again. Lori
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Thankx again for the share.. It helped a lot..
No problem!! Anytime I can help, I'll do my best!!


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FN's are great guns, if I wasn't jonesing for a 4" .44mag wheelgun, an FN 45 would probably find it's way into my house!!
haha "IF" I did have handguns, I'd totally LOVE my Smith and Wesson model 29 .44 magnum with a 5 inch barrel!

hypothetically. . . . . . lol
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haha "IF" I did have handguns, I'd totally LOVE my Smith and Wesson model 29 .44 magnum with a 5 inch barrel!

hypothetically. . . . . . lol

I'd love a 29 to go along with the boy's 27! His is nickel with a 8 3/8" barrel. I've owned a 629 Classic with an 8 3/8" barrel.

Trouble is, no gun shop, and I mean no gun shop, in my area has a 4" in any make!! It's driving me crazy!
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I'd love a 29 to go along with the boy's 27! His is nickel with a 8 3/8" barrel. I've owned a 629 Classic with an 8 3/8" barrel.

Trouble is, no gun shop, and I mean no gun shop, in my area has a 4" in any make!! It's driving me crazy!
U know u want a 5" anyways MOAR velocity, . . ok ok i give up i admit i am curious why a 4"??? do tell.
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U know u want a 5" anyways MOAR velocity, . . ok ok i give up i admit i am curious why a 4"??? do tell.

Ease of carry, and to be honest, look. I will probably carry it a bit off duty, and that extra inch just isn't needed, lol. Besides, if I go 5, why not go 6? lol
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The Glocks have 2 safetys they have a pin safety that prevents it from firing if dropped and a trigger safety that only allows the gun to be fired when the trigger is depressed. So basically the gun wont fire unless your finger is on the trigger. The flip side is like any gun if it's gonna be in a place where a child could get near it you should have a trigger lock on it. Or better still have it in a gun safe. Glocks are great guns very reliable and they make a variety of sizes using almost any round you can think of.
Glocks have 3 safeties, explained here better than I can:
http://www.glockmeister.com/safeties.shtml

I've carried a glock for years. There is a reason for the saying "Colts and Kimbers you show to your friends. Glocks you show to your enemies"

g22 on duty, g23 for the camaro, g27 for generally wandering around or a backup. G20 lives in the safe 99% of the time. AR15 for home defense. M1A for reaching out and touching someone. Wife has her own g19 and g26 and CCW permit. Reloaders (yes plural) are set up in the basement. I'm just waiting on the zombies to come. Afterall, they aren't going to kill themselves...

Because of my job and paranoia, there is always a loaded gun or two or three somewhere in the house. Before someone starts screaming about unsafe that is, all the children in the house have been educated and taken shooting. Even if they were setting in plain sight on the kitchen table (never happens) they would ask if they could hold it even if no one were in the room.

Also, 1" barrel difference isn't giving/gaining much up in the way of velocity unless you have a recipe for a pet handload that works for that particular configuration.

Here are some pics. I restippled the glocks. The G23 also got a grip reduction (did that myself) after these pics were taken. The G22 was an RTF2 that I removed the grooves. It doesn't look like that anymore, I redid the stippling again so it looks like tree bark and is very very grippy.

Someone will want to know: The AR15 is an LMT MRP with 16" CL barrel in rifle length chassis. SOPMOD stock, Aimpoint M4, Troy flip ups. Geiselle SSA trigger, Magpul AFG,0 MIAD, and trigger guard Gear Sector handstop, Phase 5 EBRv2, Surefire G2 in Gearsector mount with surefire sr07 switch.
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Love the LMT, that one piece rail is a killer idea for optics. Plus, LMT is just plain quality!!

I want to do some trimming under the trigger guard of my G23, and duty G22. With my grip, about 50rds in, I get a blister on my middle finger. You do any to yours blake, and do you have that issue?

BTW, I thought the triangle checkering on the RFT was pretty aggressive from the factory, lol!! Only thing Glock needs to change is including the extended slide lock with all Glocks,fully support the chamber in the .40s and change the rifling so that lead can be shot. Of course, all that can be changed aftermarket for next to nothing anyway, lol.
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Ease of carry, and to be honest, look. I will probably carry it a bit off duty, and that extra inch just isn't needed, lol. Besides, if I go 5, why not go 6? lol
Thats sound logic, just my (hypothetical)S&W model 29 is(hypotheticaly) a 5 inch barrel (hypotheticaly I love how it fires at the range) and when I recieve my CHWP I would take it EVERYWHERE! Despite the weight, hypotheticaly it is a heavy sucker though.
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OH and I can imagine an 8 inch barrel S&W29 would be PWN at the range as well!
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Thats sound logic, just my (hypothetical)S&W model 29 is(hypotheticaly) a 5 inch barrel (hypotheticaly I love how it fires at the range) and when I recieve my CHWP I would take it EVERYWHERE! Despite the weight, hypotheticaly it is a heavy sucker though.
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I gotcha, lol. My son's 27 is 8 3/8, like my 629 was, and like my 629, very, very accurate. They can be a blast to shoot, but I need, want, a bit more practicality.


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Love the LMT, that one piece rail is a killer idea for optics. Plus, LMT is just plain quality!!

I want to do some trimming under the trigger guard of my G23, and duty G22. With my grip, about 50rds in, I get a blister on my middle finger. You do any to yours blake, and do you have that issue?

BTW, I thought the triangle checkering on the RFT was pretty aggressive from the factory, lol!! Only thing Glock needs to change is including the extended slide lock with all Glocks,fully support the chamber in the .40s and change the rifling so that lead can be shot. Of course, all that can be changed aftermarket for next to nothing anyway, lol.
I did a little trimming under the G22 trigger guard but it was only to be able to get my hand a little higher in relation to the bore. I get sore thumbs from loading and sore index finger from pulling the trigger. I can't recall ever having any middle finger issues. The RTF2 was rough as first but my hands got used to it and I went with sandpaper grips and after a while, that wasn't enough so I did some texturing. I'll get some pics of the current set up later tonight.

A semi auto pistol can't have a fully supported chamber because the extractor needs to be able to grab the case rim. Most factory barrels are very similar to the glock. Aftermarket barrels do provide more support as you noted. I had an extended slide lock/release lever on mine but whenever I tried to put the gun in the holster with the slide locked back, it would release. I went back to the regular one. I am in the habit of using the whole slide to chamber a round. I used to do the thumb thing with the lever but that isn't a gross motor skill and under stress, I might miss the lever where as I will have less of a chance to miss gripping the whole slide to pull it back. It does stink the glock's polygonal rifling precludes shooting lead but I have done so in limited quantities with no issues. All mine shoot the copper plated stuff with no issues which isn't much more expensive than lead. I just make sure to clean well and periodically check for obstructions.

If you aren't afraid, just take a dremel and a sanding drum and slowing smooth out the area causing you blisters. If that doesn't work, maybe grip a little tighter or looser in that area because blisters are caused by friction.
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I did a little trimming under the G22 trigger guard but it was only to be able to get my hand a little higher in relation to the bore. I get sore thumbs from loading and sore index finger from pulling the trigger. I can't recall ever having any middle finger issues. The RTF2 was rough as first but my hands got used to it and I went with sandpaper grips and after a while, that wasn't enough so I did some texturing. I'll get some pics of the current set up later tonight.

A semi auto pistol can't have a fully supported chamber because the extractor needs to be able to grab the case rim. Most factory barrels are very similar to the glock. Aftermarket barrels do provide more support as you noted. I had an extended slide lock/release lever on mine but whenever I tried to put the gun in the holster with the slide locked back, it would release. I went back to the regular one. I am in the habit of using the whole slide to chamber a round. I used to do the thumb thing with the lever but that isn't a gross motor skill and under stress, I might miss the lever where as I will have less of a chance to miss gripping the whole slide to pull it back. It does stink the glock's polygonal rifling precludes shooting lead but I have done so in limited quantities with no issues. All mine shoot the copper plated stuff with no issues which isn't much more expensive than lead. I just make sure to clean well and periodically check for obstructions.

If you aren't afraid, just take a dremel and a sanding drum and slowing smooth out the area causing you blisters. If that doesn't work, maybe grip a little tighter or looser in that area because blisters are caused by friction.
The problem with Glock .40s is that they didn't support enough of the bottom, by the feed ramp. This can lead to ka-booms, especially if one reloads a little hot. Not too mention, it can, and does, create the Glock bulge in all fired cases, which can be an issue with reloaders. Personally, I'd wish Glock would throw just a little more metal in that area, as well as change the rifling and the gun would be that much better.

As to the slide lock, it's a convenience thing for me. When doing quals, or understress reloads, the rack it method is the only method. However, when plinking with the wife, the slide lock is a nice feature, and on occasion, I use it as well.

The middle finger blister happens no matter how I grip the gun, lol. The triggerguard rubs against it to the point of causing the blister. My Dremel and G23 have a date, lol, it just hasn't happened yet!
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K, I'm back... Went to a small gun shop over the weekend. They didn't have any FN's so I'm going to another store this weekend..

What I've found so far: Glock .19, my hands are too soft to hold one of these. The grip is very "prickly", "spikey". I found myself regriupping it all the time to try to find a "comfy spot".

2nd fav was S&W MP9 (I think) - good weight to it, I would like to shoot this one in the range. Trigger was different, safety in trigger, but it was bendable to the touch. Kinda hard to describe.

My pick: H&K UPS (then I saw the price tag $800). Comfy grip, ambedexdrous (sp) safety (I'm a lefty) it belongs to one of the clerk, he will let me shoot it at the range, so I think I will. Says it's got 1/2 the recoil of the S&W, but I haven't fired the S&W yet so I don't know what 1/2 would be. They also recommended the P30 ($1000+).

Thoughts/comments welcome here. Thankx.
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