Firearms Section

[camarossrs2150]

LG436 150 brand new. i live in newyork for all those that are pming me .look on how much the true cost is and pm me if interested .thanks .you can go to crimsontrace.com.fits all glocks

[CINDER02]

Do you all know anything about the Kahr P380? I was looking into getting it because it fits my hands.

[Dangeruss]

I have a few toys:

HK P2000SK (.40Cal)

Ruger LCP (.380Cal) - perfect carry for shorts!

Remington 870 Shotgun (12Ga)

The shotgun looks pretty mean. I'll have to post some pics later.

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by CINDER02

Do you all know anything about the Kahr P380? I was looking into getting it because it fits my hands.

We have one for concealed carry. It's a good and reliable pistol however there are 2 issues with it we don't like.

- It shoots high. At 20 yards it's about 5-6 inches too high. This pistol is definitely a short range pistol only (less then 5 yards) but if you're looking at a pistol this size you won't be shooting at anyone farther away then this anyway.

- This gun is an absolute murder on the hands. The 380 round itself has a pretty good kick, combine that with the Kahr p380's small and light weight frame and you have a gun that is hard to control and hard on the hands. When we first got it my dad shot 6 rounds and said no more as his hands was hurting after that, I shot 4 rounds and I was done and had to put it up.

[VASCAR2]

I was curious how the recoil would be on a locked breech Kahr 380. I know a Walther 380 or my brother's CZ 9 X 18 Markov all give the web of your hand a good smack. For some reason the older Sig P230 seemed to have a better grip design and the recoil was not as noticeable. Only problem with the Sig was it is a good bit larger than a Walther PPK or Kahr 380. Personally I prefer the 9 MM over the 380. I've shot a Kahr polymer 9 MM and I didn't think the recoil was as bad as a Ruger LCP, Taurus 380, Keltec 380 or Walther PPK. I know a Glock 26 is a very light recoiling pistol for its size. Most of the ultra small 380's are limited to short range accuracy. I personally carry a Glock 27 everywhere I go and I carried a S&W 3913 prior to the Glock. My department switched from S&W 5904 to Glock 22 so I switched my plain clothes gun to a Glock 27. Personally I'd just as soon have a 32 ACP with FMJ ammo as a 380. 32 ACP has less recoil is accurate and usually get one more round in the mag. If I'm going to pack for protection I'd just as soon have a real gun (for me 9MM & above) and figure out how best to conceal what I'm carrying. I shoot a lot and I know with a 3913 or Glock 26/27 I can engage targets easily out to 50 yards and beyond in a pinch. Most of the small guns like the Keltec 380, Taurus 380 are good for most shooter to abut 15 yards. Even in revolvers there is a trade off in recoil if you go to a light alloy frame compared to an all steel frame. A S&W 36/60 are not to bad on recoil but shoot the aluminum frame 38 spl and they just aren't pleasant.

[TripleX]

The Kahr P380 is, IMHO, a great pocket pistol... Of the several pocket pistols on the market right now, I prefered the Kahr... Ruger LCP and S&W BG380 are not bad, but the Kahr seemed a better fit for my hand and flawless on the range... Recoil to me was minimal... Trigger action is very smooth and the fit in my hand reduces the chance of railroad tracks as compared to the Ruger LCP and BG 380 did... I just purchased two of them a few weeks back...

Some comparison pics Glock 27...

[mad@gm]

Originally Posted by Wyoming T/A

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC’s low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun
control, and Indianapolis’ high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the
lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics
showing increasing murder rates after gun control are “just statistics.”

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into
effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates,
which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting
spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a
lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot
with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking
gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should “put up no defense -
give them what they want, or run” (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete
Shields, Guns Don’t Die – People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about
guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil
engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer
programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which
was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using
federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing
trespassers under federal law, is a “state” militia.

14. These phrases: “right of the people peaceably to assemble,” “right of
the people to be secure in their homes,” “enumerations herein of certain
rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people,”
and “The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states
respectively, and to the people” all refer to individuals, but “the right of
the people to keep and bear arms” refers to the state.

15. “The Constitution is strong and will never change.” But we should ban
and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to
that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren’t necessary to national defense! Of course, the
army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn’t have handguns, because they aren’t “military
weapons”, but private citizens shouldn’t have “assault rifles”, because
they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting,
government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is
responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940′s, 1950′s and 1960′s,
anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations,
variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no
fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA’s attempt to run a “don’t touch” campaign about kids handling
guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby’s attempt to run a “don’t touch”
campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them
properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical
adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun
is “an accident waiting to happen” and gun makers’ advertisements aimed at
women are “preying on their fears.”

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers
but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun
shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority
of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a
“weapon of mass destruction” or an “assault weapon.”

27. Most people can’t be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which
most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned
because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use
of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and
typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of
the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the
Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap
lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a
representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is
entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger
capacity pistol magazines than do “civilians” who must face criminals alone
and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban “Saturday Night Specials” and other inexpensive guns
because it’s not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that
private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don’t need a gun for self- protection because the
police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the
police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don’t need to carry a gun for personal protection but police
chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with
cops, need a gun.

37. “Assault weapons” have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of
people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential
promotion, that’s bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to
buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that’s good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for
defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their
duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to “keep guns out of the wrong
hands.” Guess what? You have the wrong hands.
__________________

What kind of a retard thought all this up?

[camarossrs2150]

#22 my wife didnt like .she is pretty damm good with a glock 26 at 20to25 yards .i dont come home late anymore.

[CINDER02]

Thanks for the info!!!!

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

We have one for concealed carry. It's a good and reliable pistol however there are 2 issues with it we don't like.

- It shoots high. At 20 yards it's about 5-6 inches too high. This pistol is definitely a short range pistol only (less then 5 yards) but if you're looking at a pistol this size you won't be shooting at anyone farther away then this anyway.

- This gun is an absolute murder on the hands. The 380 round itself has a pretty good kick, combine that with the Kahr p380's small and light weight frame and you have a gun that is hard to control and hard on the hands. When we first got it my dad shot 6 rounds and said no more as his hands was hurting after that, I shot 4 rounds and I was done and had to put it up.

[Z28RockStar]

Originally Posted by camarossrs2150

#22 my wife didnt like .she is pretty damm good with a glock 26 at 20to25 yards .i dont come home late anymore.

A person authored something they thought would be very PRO GUN. However in their attempt to be sarcastic, also deliberate and direct as well, they've mixed up their "convictions" with the "sarcasm", so it's a little confusing. While number 8 and number 22 are both sarcastic, 8 is easier to perceive as sarcasm. Of course no one could truly have a conviction that dead is better? IDK I just noticed some things are straight conviction or historical facts, mixed in with the sarcasm it gets a little confusing. I just assumed the post was Pro Gun and took it as such. It made the context of sarcasm changing easier to dissect / comprehend.

[SSMOKINHOT]

I own a Ruger 9MM, but Uncle Sam lets me play with his Beretta 9MM, M16, M4, Mk-19, M2, M249, and M240!

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by mad@gm

What kind of a retard thought all this up?

Nothing retarded about it at all. If one takes the time to read it, they can plainly see the stupidity of arguments the anti gunners make. Not too mention, how anti gunners try to play on words to encompass all weapons when trying to ban them.

One of my favorite quotes, and I'm probably butchering it,

" A public that is armed is full of citizens, a public that is not is full of subjects."

Can you see the meaning in that?

Originally Posted by Z28RockStar

A person authored something they thought would be very PRO GUN. However in their attempt to be sarcastic, also deliberate and direct as well, they've mixed up their "convictions" with the "sarcasm", so it's a little confusing. While number 8 and number 22 are both sarcastic, 8 is easier to perceive as sarcasm. Of course no one could truly have a conviction that dead is better? IDK I just noticed some things are straight conviction or historical facts, mixed in with the sarcasm it gets a little confusing. I just assumed the post was Pro Gun and took it as such. It made the context of sarcasm changing easier to dissect / comprehend.

Oh, it's very pro gun. Again, then sarcasm in it is to show the stupidity, invalidity, of most anti gun sentiments.

About #8, IMHO, dead is better in that situation. And deservingly so. I don't think anyone should think any woman would think otherwise. I'd much rather come up on a woman standing over a dead attempted rapist in comparison to coming up on a battered, strangled and raped woman.

Originally Posted by SSMOKINHOT

I own a Ruger 9MM, but Uncle Sam lets me play with his Beretta 9MM, M16, M4, Mk-19, M2, M249, and M240!

You ma'am, are awesome!

[mad@gm]

2nd Amendment-
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Anybody that disagrees with this needs to move to another nation that does not support fire arms!

And to ssmokinhot thank you for serving our country.

[Z28RockStar]

Originally Posted by mrray13

Oh, it's very pro gun. Again, then sarcasm in it is to show the stupidity, invalidity, of most anti gun sentiments.

About #8, IMHO, dead is better in that situation. And deservingly so. I don't think anyone should think any woman would think otherwise. I'd much rather come up on a woman standing over a dead attempted rapist in comparison to coming up on a battered, strangled and raped woman.

First, the author mixes cynicism, sarcasm and historical facts with their own convictions and all the different points of expression is confusing to some is all I meant. I understood right away.

As far as number 8 . . . of course I meant the woman, a strangled woman is a dead woman? How could this be "morally" superior when the killer is still breathing? Sorry I was not more explicit in an elementary manner. I figured from the context of my reference point my statement would be obvious. YES, THE DEAD "WOULD BE" KILLER / RAPIST IS MOST PREFERABLE. I MEAN, WHO COULD THINK THE DEAD RAPED WOMAN IS BETTER? All women should own, be proficient in and carry a gun.

IMHO

Oh, by the way, if you wrote this, no real criticism intended, I liked it and understood it. Just pointing out why some may have difficulties with comprehending it.

[Z28RockStar]

Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot
with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
If I shoot you with my .357 you will not be angry, you will be dead!


8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking
gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
You have got to be ignorant to believe this one.

35. Private citizens don’t need a gun for self- protection because the
police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the
police are not responsible for their protection.
I don't like the police department's respond time.

Just to let you know, I will defend myself.

This wasn't intended literally, he was making a parody using sarcasm about antigun sentiments.

Originally Posted by mad@gm

2nd Amendment-
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Anybody that disagrees with this needs to move to another nation that does not support fire arms!

And to ssmokinhot thank you for serving our country.

hehe I tell ya ppl make me lolololol a lot. PLUS


GOD BLESS ALL U.S. AND ALLIED ARMED FORCES MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES, PAST AND PRESENT! THANK YOU! FROM ONE VET TO ANOTHER! POW MIA NEVER FORGOTTEN!

[Big Brunsy]

Anyone got a suggestion for a good holster for a P22 with or without a laser sight?

Iowa carry laws change on 1-1-11 and I'm getting my permit....what style do you reccomend?

[Infern0]

Just picked up my first handgun and 1K rounds of ammo. I went with the XDM 40 Bitone. Can't wait to get to the range tomorrow and break it in.

[VASCAR2]

Originally Posted by Big Brunsy

Anyone got a suggestion for a good holster for a P22 with or without a laser sight?

Iowa carry laws change on 1-1-11 and I'm getting my permit....what style do you reccomend?

P 22 are pretty small and for the best concealment that means an inside the waste band holster or maybe a fanny pack. I've never seen a purpose made concealment holster for a P 22. I'd look at an uncle Mike's or Blackhawke nylon holster for small to medium frame auto, like Sig 230 Walther PP PPK/s should fit. You should be able to find a generic holster made that will fit the P 22 whether a belt holster, inside the waste band or ankle holster. If your really going to carry for defense against the two legged pest I'd try to upgrade to a larger caliber. If you like a little protection while walking and are worried about the four legged pest like wild dogs or coyotes the P 22 should be OK.

[Big Brunsy]

Originally Posted by VASCAR2

P 22 are pretty small and for the best concealment that means an inside the waste band holster or maybe a fanny pack. I've never seen a purpose made concealment holster for a P 22. I'd look at an uncle Mike's or Blackhawke nylon holster for small to medium frame auto, like Sig 230 Walther PP PPK/s should fit. You should be able to find a generic holster made that will fit the P 22 whether a belt holster, inside the waste band or ankle holster. If your really going to carry for defense against the two legged pest I'd try to upgrade to a larger caliber. If you like a little protection while walking and are worried about the four legged pest like wild dogs or coyotes the P 22 should be OK.

I will eventually be getting a bigger gun. I just got my first hand gun a couple weeks ago, and the .22 is alot cheaper to shoot at the range while I learn to handle it.

[SSMOKINHOT]

Originally Posted by mrray13

You ma'am, are awesome!

Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

Just to let you know, I will defend myself.

Hell Yeah!!

Originally Posted by mad@gm

And to ssmokinhot thank you for serving our country.

Proud to serve!!

Originally Posted by Z28RockStar

GOD BLESS ALL U.S. AND ALLIED ARMED FORCES MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES, PAST AND PRESENT! THANK YOU! FROM ONE VET TO ANOTHER! POW MIA NEVER FORGOTTEN!

Cheers!!! Thanks for your service!! Lest we forget! :flag2:

[Wyoming T/A]

Originally Posted by SSMOKINHOT

I own a Ruger 9MM, but Uncle Sam lets me play with his Beretta 9MM, M16, M4, Mk-19, M2, M249, and M240!

lookin good in uniform got to shoot the M16 -M50 amd the LAW"s rocket in the National guards in the early 70"s out of Corning,Ny 204th--the M50 was my favorite

[Fishdadddy]

Originally Posted by Infern0

Just picked up my first handgun and 1K rounds of ammo. I went with the XDM 40 Bitone. Can't wait to get to the range tomorrow and break it in.

I hgave this same gun. You will love it. Deadly accurate. I put a laser on the front. It's pretty cool to hold the gun at your waist and shoot bullseyes.

[Infern0]

Wow, had a great time. It is so damn nice and spot on accurate as you said. Wow...

The guy in the lane next to me had a laser on his weapon. He wasn't shooting very accurate with it, but it still looked cool. Everytime I was aiming down range, that dot would pop up out of the corner of my eye and make me want to shoot it. Now I know how a cat being tormented with the red dot felt.

[73camarolt]

Well i see lot on here about new guns. I am alittle old school. We own 2 M1 carbines, a post war garand (was never fired when we got it, it has been now) a 1903a4 (real not a replica) a couple of mausers, 22 training rifles. For pistols we own a 1911, p.38, p.08 and a bunch of other revolvers. Ive been thinking about getting an AR-15 but now sure. I will post pictures soon.

[Wyoming T/A]